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Hey INTJs and others,

I'm an INTJ female. I use this forum as a type of therapy, but I think it would be a good idea to consult with a real therapist or counselor every once in a while.

Do you have any suggestions for finding either a therapist who is an INTJ, or at the very least, a therapist/counselor who studies MBTI and understands INTJs in particular? Is there a website that connects particular types of therapists & patients that anyone knows of?

Two caveats:
1.) It would have to be online. Where I live (rural), there are very few therapists and no one around here would understand me at all.
2.) I would be much more comfortable with a female.

I've had no luck with therapists in the past. I've had ones that just listened... but didn't really offer anything valuable and I pretty much diagnosed myself. I've had therapists who use gimmicks like little yappy, smelly dogs "to make the patient feel comfortable".... disgusting and distracting :). Cats are good as long as they aren't intrusive. Anyhow, not the point. It just seems an impossible task to find a good fit.

It's probably difficult to work with an INTJ patient, but there must be an organization out there that offers online services for particular MBTI types. I searched for previous threads about this, but couldn't really find anything.

Any recommendations are welcome. Thanks!:ghost2::words:
 

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I suggest looking for a counsellor that uses Psychodynamic theory, Analytic theory, or Jungian theory. They are all pretty much the same, but there are nuances to each way of phrasing what one specialises or is adept in. Not only should you get a lot out of therapy that is one of the three listed, but your therapist would have been required to learn typology to claim they use Psychodynamic, Analytic, or Jungian theory.

I can't promise they'll "believe" in its usefulness in therapy, but any of the above three counselling methods would be required to incorporate typology into your treatment if it was important to you. All the rest may or may not use typology, but it wouldn't be a sure thing.

Also, it's hard to find them, but your best bet, sure deal, perfect match would be a Depth Psychologist. I only know of several and they all either live in California or New York.

Hope this helps!
 

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i had two counsellors so far that i've liked. one long ago was an old dutch grandmother, and the other is a guy i started seeing early last year when my family situation had begun to heat up.

that's a wide spread, and in between times i've made a few overtures but it didn't click. pretty much the same reasons as you. i don't know how to pre-narrow the search pool, but if i did have to look again i think i'd keep my eye out for a couple of things.

- credentials in actual counselling psychology. or clinical psychology. something you have to go to university for. i am NOT right for well-meaning little people who have 60 credit hours from some Professional Caring Institute diploma mill.

- failing that, older people, and possibly second-careerists whose previous life was in some kind of real-world discipline. one of my ntj friends saw a counsellor who'd been a cop, and that's the kind of thing i could see working for me. i'd rather deal with people who've seen a lot than people who've merely read about it.

- i felt i could work with the guy i'm currently seeing anyway, but i think what cemented it for me was about the third or fourth time when he had a general sense of the scope and was ready to propose a few plans. he said there was one protocol that he thought might work well for me, and i remember i gave him the stink eye and said 'this better not be cb fucking t.' he didn't bat an eye so i knew he was probably okay. i don't trust counsellors who have only one tool in their belt and that tool is just whatever has most recently been touted as the universal fix for the whole gamut of human struggle.
 

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A therapy dog should have a mellow attitude. Yappy dogs don't have the right temperament for that job. Bigger dogs tend to be mellower. Rabbits make good therapy animals too also as well.

human struggle.
At first, I thought that read "human snuggle."
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Probably because I was thinking of therapy dogs.
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eh, not everybody likes dogs. or animals, actually.

if that hasn't occurred to a therapist i take it as another sign that they'll probably be in over their heads if they try talking to me.
 
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Yes, try a Jungian analyst.

I tried to find one myself, but only found someone who wanted to see me 3x a week :bored: Not sure how easy it is to find one online.

I had a Freudian shrink who thought she could blame everything on my mother, which is partially true but she neglected the deep issues I was struggling with in recent years. She also told me that I need to conform to society as not even my friends would accept me flaws and all. (?)

I then had a CBT shrink who handed out graphs on the definition of behavior, and would I have acted X or Y instead. I said that's irrelevant and I need help coping with Z and what's your opinion. We argued for 10 mins about what he should have an opinion on (my previous shrink did have opinions) and then I called it quits.
 

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eh, not everybody likes dogs. or animals, actually.

if that hasn't occurred to a therapist i take it as another sign that they'll probably be in over their heads if they try talking to me.
I like dogs ok, but I don't need to pet one while I'm trying to focus on telling someone my darkest secrets in a way that makes sense to them. Once I find myself having to translate my thoughts into words and concepts they'll understand... blerg... thus begins the downward spiral toward us parting ways. 'Them' and 'They' being the therapist :tongue:, not the animal. Animals make great therapists.

I'm definitely a cat person. If you had peeked into my life at any random point, I would have been living with four cats, until now. I just have one now. I don't mind cats at all, as a therapy animal, but sometimes I get into a cycle where I feel like they want pets out of me and I feel obligated to continue and it starts to cause anxiety because.... they want part of my energy and focus on them, which is a distraction when I'm trying to do something else. Anyway, I have a therapy cat at home :lovekitty:. I think therapy animals are good for crisis situations, but may or may not work for less intense/regular therapy, at least for me.
 

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I suggest looking for a counsellor that uses Psychodynamic theory, Analytic theory, or Jungian theory. They are all pretty much the same, but there are nuances to each way of phrasing what one specialises or is adept in. Not only should you get a lot out of therapy that is one of the three listed, but your therapist would have been required to learn typology to claim they use Psychodynamic, Analytic, or Jungian theory.

I can't promise they'll "believe" in its usefulness in therapy, but any of the above three counselling methods would be required to incorporate typology into your treatment if it was important to you. All the rest may or may not use typology, but it wouldn't be a sure thing.

Also, it's hard to find them, but your best bet, sure deal, perfect match would be a Depth Psychologist. I only know of several and they all either live in California or New York.

Hope this helps!
Thank you for the recommendations. I'll learn more about each theory and apply them to my search. This definitely helps. Do you have a personal preference for a particular theory that worked for you in therapy?

I'm laughably more worried about my therapists' type and whether they will work with my own. I tend to begin doing my own experiments while I'm there, testing out how the therapists' personality type affects me, but I'm probably just bored and when I realize it's not going to work, I start to analyze them. I can chalk that up to either the low probability or randomness of a match that truly works or the lack of professionalism and competency in the therapists I've seen.

Thanks for the suggestions.
 

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A therapy dog should have a mellow attitude. Yappy dogs don't have the right temperament for that job. Bigger dogs tend to be mellower. Rabbits make good therapy animals too also as well.


At first, I thought that read "human snuggle."
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Probably because I was thinking of therapy dogs.
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Population control is the universal fix to the whole gamut of human struggle. As far as the problem of 'human snuggle', I do recommend cats, coffee, couches and ENFPs :).
 

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Population control is the universal fix to the whole gamut of human struggle.
I agree more with Captain America, philosophically speaking. Never was a Thanos fan.

As far as the problem of 'human snuggle', I do recommend cats, coffee, couches, and ENFPs. :)
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Yes, try a Jungian analyst.

I tried to find one myself, but only found someone who wanted to see me 3x a week :bored: Not sure how easy it is to find one online.

I had a Freudian shrink who thought she could blame everything on my mother, which is partially true but she neglected the deep issues I was struggling with in recent years. She also told me that I need to conform to society as not even my friends would accept me flaws and all. (?)

I then had a CBT shrink who handed out graphs on the definition of behavior, and would I have acted X or Y instead. I said that's irrelevant and I need help coping with Z and what's your opinion. We argued for 10 mins about what he should have an opinion on (my previous shrink did have opinions) and then I called it quits.
Is three times a week good or bad?

Yeah, great advice, suppress your inner self, conform to society... I can just feel the healing begin.

I was always under the impression that I was supposed to have a lot of friends. When I finally figured out that wasn't true, it was a huge relief.

I wonder how different my "affectation" as some might call it (referring to my INTJ female traits) would be perceived in ANY other culture in the world, particularly European culture. Do I feel like such a freak simply because I live in the "Extroverts-are-us, super macho" United States, particularly the South? I think INTJ females would be far more accepted in Germany, for example. Thoughts? How much is the development, application and understanding of MBTI affected by culture.

I had a CBT shrink once. I think they had some good, practical strategies.... but, Wow. Graphs. Just choose your own adventure, I guess. If you choose X, flip to the next chapter in your life, because it will definitely happen exactly the way that you planned :dry: Yeah, if I had a shrink who started to show me graphs, I would be out the door too. :wrecking_ball_viza_
 

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Is three times a week good or bad?

Yeah, great advice, suppress your inner self, conform to society... I can just feel the healing begin.

I was always under the impression that I was supposed to have a lot of friends. When I finally figured out that wasn't true, it was a huge relief.

I wonder how different my "affectation" as some might call it (referring to my INTJ female traits) would be perceived in ANY other culture in the world, particularly European culture. Do I feel like such a freak simply because I live in the "Extroverts-are-us, super macho" United States, particularly the South? I think INTJ females would be far more accepted in Germany, for example. Thoughts? How much is the development, application and understanding of MBTI affected by culture.

I had a CBT shrink once. I think they had some good, practical strategies.... but, Wow. Graphs. Just choose your own adventure, I guess. If you choose X, flip to the next chapter in your life, because it will definitely happen exactly the way that you planned :dry: Yeah, if I had a shrink who started to show me graphs, I would be out the door too. :wrecking_ball_viza_
Three times a week would not only hurt my wallet, but it'd probably make me obsess too much over bad things and make me stuck in that.

I forgot to mention that my former shrink also said I should be among more women because I am one. That is such narrow thinking, I'm already girly even if my personality is masculine at times. She insisted on labeling me in certain ways.

Yeah, so I also decided that cultures are often very MBTI - if the UK is ESFJ, then Germany is ISTJ. The US probably SP. I grew up in an SJ country with SJ parents and boy life did just not make sense. Still, my friends are nearly all sensors as I found that if they're SP, they're open to cool stuff.

As for having a lot of friends... I know a LOT of people, but I only count a handful as real friends who know me on a deeper level. Those bonds are more useful to me than other random people who just talk about the same stuff over and over.
 

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I agree more with Captain America, philosophically speaking. Never was a Thanos fan.


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Ya, sounds dark, but I guess I'm more speaking in a Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs path, where philosophical problems are inherently connected to foundational/physical problems. Just as basic needs (food, water, shelter) are inextricably connected to mental health, but basic, foundational, physical needs have to be addressed, first, in order to even begin thinking about or healing any other philosophical, mental, emotional issues. I know there are other paths of thought on this as well, but....

So, globally, if reasonable 'population control' measures were taken, (meaning truly implementing sex education, access to contraceptives and abortion, plus equal rights for females under the law and in society, amongst other measures)......

..... but, NOT intentionally wiping out parts of the population.... although if that happened naturally, as an environmental check and balance {disease, disaster etc}, it would be "helpful" in the bigger picture}). Pop control measures are far more likely to positively affect the 'universal human struggle', more so than any other "cause" (i.e. lets modify food to grow in conditions that it wouldn't normally grow in, so we can feed more people.... NO!).

Basically what I'm saying is: ALL human problems can be traced back to overpopulation, causing scarcity of resources, causing destruction of the environment, causing pollution of remaining resources, etc etc etca. Every single one. So, if we're to address the more philosophical problems, then we'll need to address the basic physical ones first.

Yeah, I'm not gonna murder my offspring like Thanos, I'm just not going to have any in the first place. I don't want humans to die, I just want to improve their situation by taking simple, affordable, and reasonable measures and prevent further chaos ..... but Noooooooo.... no one listen to meeeee.... just rely on religion to fix everything. Solved! :wink:

What do you think Captain America's stance on abortion would be?
 

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What do you think Captain America's stance on abortion would be?
He'd be against it. He'd also be against gun control and global government, otherwise he wouldn't be true to his name.
 

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Do you have a personal preference for a particular theory that worked for you in therapy?
It really depends on what the struggle is with. I do really well with CBT (Cognitive behaviour Therapy) and REBT (rational emotive behaviour therapy). I've gone through a *lot* of therapy throughout my life: partially because I needed to learn to manage a disorder which is now under control with meds and the tools I've learned in therapy and partially because I've had a difficult life as things happen, you know? For example, my brother died when I was a teenager (just giving an example so it doesn't sound like I have some sort of snowflake thing going on).

In adulthood, psychotherapy is what works best for me: Analytical / Jungian therapy is what helped me come to terms with a lot of things that were difficult for me to process. All of the examples of therapists that I listed would use a form of psychotherapy, so they all fall under that umbrella.
 

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all the reasons why this is my current favourite thread on perc:

We argued for 10 mins about what he should have an opinion on (my previous shrink did have opinions) and then I called it quits.
I like dogs ok, but I don't need to pet one while I'm trying to focus on telling someone my darkest secrets
I'm probably just bored and when I realize it's not going to work, I start to analyze them.
i get curious about the mechanics of it, and the curiosity is genuine. one time i caught my guy sizing me up as a suicide risk, which he copped to right away when i called him on it. we ended up having an interesting little conversation about what he would be obligated to do if, and what 'if' would look like, etc. i don't know if he went home asking himself if he'd just handed me the cheat sheet on gaming the whole suicide-prevention system, but it didn't matter. it still would have been the right way to call it - for someone like me. spoiler: i'm not a suicide risk :tongue: and if i were, it would STILL be the right call to make.

Population control is the universal fix to the whole gamut of human struggle.
if you define 'overpopulation' as 'more than one introvert in a given space' . . . mmmwell, i could ship that :D

As far as the problem of 'human snuggle', I do recommend cats, coffee, couches and ENFPs :).
plus one for cats. but i don't recommend snuggling coffee. it leaves a wet spot.

I guess I'm more speaking in a Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs
i like the maslow hierarchy. on the other hand, i'm glad that when i discovered it in my late teens, i didn't know that maslow himself assumed it was only applicable to men. 'women are different', is what betty friedan says he told her when she asked him how come he didn't even ask any women how they felt about things.

Basically what I'm saying is: ALL human problems can be traced back to overpopulation
i just don't agree here. but i don't want to derail a thread i'm enjoying so much.

What do you think Captain America's stance on abortion would be?
i didn't know he had genitals. but i don't watch a lot of movies, so maybe i'm wrong.
 

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I would suggest Enneagram instead.


Index of Subjects


Your Basic Personality Type
The Centers
The Wing
The Levels of Development
Directions of Integration (Growth) and Disintegration (Stress)
The Three Instincts
Typing Yourself and Others
 

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I've had two counselors in the past. Both of which I liked.

The first is a professor in psychology and had published papers as well as being active in community work and support to improve the mental well being of the public.

The second is a psychiatrist that does counseling.

Both are familiar with personality theory. I don't think you have to focus on counselors that understands personality theory. All the goods ones will by default be familiar with it. I think to find good counselors you need to identify those with certain achievements in the community, be it either publishing papers or actual activity in the community.
 
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I'm also enjoying this thread quite a bit. I don't have much experience with therapists who integrate typology into their practice (beyond initial assessments, sometimes), but, this is too much to pass up:

Population control is the universal fix to the whole gamut of human struggle.
I agree more with Captain America, philosophically speaking. Never was a Thanos fan.
Yeah, I'm not gonna murder my offspring like Thanos, I'm just not going to have any in the first place.
I'm more of a Darkseid fan, but didn't Thanos (in the comics) wipe out the population of the universe just to impress a girl? :eek:h: Seems to me that human struggle is 'omnipresent.'

 
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Try 7cups.com; which apparently was started by a one Moriarty.

AFAIK it's free; and you can browse, pick, choose who you'd like help from. Statistically, you'd think there should be at least one member there that fits your requirements...
 
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