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A lot of us track enneatype in our daily interactions and introspections, and I think our forum needs a common place to share what we notice.

These don't have to be confirmed, and you don't have to post something for every type - just post what you notice, find interesting that you hadn't realized before, think is overlooked that needs to be brought forward, etc. All the better is someone decides it's not accurate, as it could lead to a more engaged discussion of the intricacies and misconceptions of each type. Here are a few simple ones offhand I have:



1's: that they are actually operating off of idealism, given how firm they are in asserting what they stand behind

2's: that despite their warmth they are actually very intense inside, and at times, angry

3's: that despite their confidence they actually very much need other people's approval (not as independent as they appear)

4's: how much tougher they are emotionally than they appear. And, that 7 can help them integrate to 1.

5's: that they can actually have separate internal monologues

6's: that there isn't a more obvious correlation with 6's and MBTI types

7's:
that they can be emotionally impervious and potentially ruthless, and need to improve that part of their being

8's: that they are emotionally sensitive

9's:
that their anger supression can actually surface physically (I noticed with a 9w8 I know that he will laugh in a weird artificial way with everyone else, then go back to this reserved, dazed look)
 

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What a great thread topic!!!

Some of these are exactly what I would write, word for word:

2's: that despite their warmth they are actually very intense inside, and at times, angry

3's: that despite their confidence they actually very much need other people's approval (not as independent as they appear)

4's: how much tougher they are emotionally than they appear.

7's:
that they can be emotionally impervious and potentially ruthless, and need to improve that part of their being

8's: that they are emotionally sensitive

9's:
that their anger supression can actually surface physically (I noticed with a 9w8 I know that he will laugh in a weird artificial way with everyone else, then go back to this reserved, dazed look)
I cannot possibly phrase those better.

1's: That as logical as they appear, they have a very emotional underbelly and they want love. Think line to 4. They often hate this about themselves, and yet if you know a 1 well, you might see them cry out of self-pity and then scold themselves for it.

5's: That they have powerlust. They may not *act* on it, as they fear their integration point 8, which incites action. But why do they fear it? In their minds they're a dangerous superpower who can destroy the whole world with the push of one button.. the whole web would collapse! Muahahaahahaa! (line to 7, narcissism. line to 8, lust. 5 core: MIND POWER baby.)

6's: People say all this stuff about 6's following authorities or needing guidance - and yes, I will agree 6's look for guidance - but they are NOT blind followers. That could not be further from the truth. Even if you phrase it in the worst way as Naranjo does, the "paranoid character," paranoia means you question everything. 6's have very independent minds. Yes, they look for guidance, security, and something to believe in, but they are not followers. They want to be secure in the things they personally believe and they will question anything that may seem to get them closer to it.
 

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1's: that they are actually operating off of idealism, given how firm they are in asserting what they stand behind
guess this would surprise an 8 fixer. for 1 fixers, our ideals are a source of tremendous power (especially with strong Fi/Te thrown in the mix)

2's: that despite their warmth they are actually very intense inside, and at times, angry
I've noticed this as well

3's: that despite their confidence they actually very much need other people's approval (not as independent as they appear)
true, but people often overestimate the amount of social approval 3s need.

4's: how much tougher they are emotionally than they appear. And, that 7 can help them integrate to 1.
haven't noticed this, but you might have a point. given the tumultuous emotions 4s deal with on a regular basis, it would stand to reason they'd be better equipped to handle actual depression if/when it hits.

5's: that they can actually have separate internal monologues
huh?

6's: that there isn't a more obvious correlation with 6's and MBTI types
LOL true. most people try to make 6 out to be the SJ of the Enneagram

7's: that they can be emotionally impervious and potentially ruthless, and need to improve that part of their being
VERY true. I guess this would come as a surprise to most, but when you consider what type 7 is actually about (avoiding pain, maximizing pleasure, entitlement and grandiosity) you looking a type who naturally tends to prioritize themselves above others and will feel no remorse being ruthless when necessary.
as for the last part, I think the goal is to redirect their desirous energy towards productive pursuits.

8's: that they are emotionally sensitive
I don't agree with this one, at least not until they start to integrate to 2. 8s are the most "don't give a shit" type on the enneagram. in fact, too much so. most types would benefit from not caring so much about trivial things, but the opposite is true of 8s.

9's: that their anger supression can actually surface physically (I noticed with a 9w8 I know that he will laugh in a weird artificial way with everyone else, then go back to this reserved, dazed look)
true
 

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I don't agree with this one, at least not until they start to integrate to 2. 8s are the most "don't give a shit" type on the enneagram. in fact, too much so. most types would benefit from not caring so much about trivial things, but the opposite is true of 8s.
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Let's put it this way: if there wasn't a vulnerable underbelly, there would be no need for so much armor. Vengeance is about correcting the past... at one point in the past you made yourself vulnerable, and then you got hurt/ betrayed/ taken advantage of; vengeance is: "Damned if I'd let that happen again. I will not succumb to weakness again. I will be strong; indestructible. I will not be deterred by ploys for compassion. No one is innocent. You can't get under my skin. I am in control."

That being said, I agree that 8s don't sweat the trivial things. 8s would be vulnerable where it counts though. It's impossible to get under my skin unless I let you, but once you're in, you're in... and at that point betrayal can hurt and will lead to more hardening and vengeance.
 

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haven't noticed this, but you might have a point. given the tumultuous emotions 4s deal with on a regular basis, it would stand to reason they'd be better equipped to handle actual depression if/when it hits.
Right. What 4's deal with, regardless of whether it is self-inflicted/necessary or not, actually makes them appreciate the human side of suffering all the more, whereas other types may not look at it.

VERY true. I guess this would come as a surprise to most, but when you consider what type 7 is actually about (avoiding pain, maximizing pleasure, entitlement and grandiosity) you looking a type who naturally tends to prioritize themselves above others and will feel no remorse being ruthless when necessary.
That avoidance trains us to be very good at stepping aside from what would be an unpleasant reaction/self-consciousness/etc and keep going. IDK for a 7w6, but at least for a 7w8, there's also a mechanism that says "block it out," that you should fulfill your own needs on your own.

It's a really ugly, even dark part of the 7. I don't think some 7's realize how urgent it is that they get in touch with their souls.

I don't agree with this one, at least not until they start to integrate to 2. 8s are the most "don't give a shit" type on the enneagram. in fact, too much so. most types would benefit from not caring so much about trivial things, but the opposite is true of 8s.
Well, I don't know about that. If you press them enough, at least 8w9 will set a boundary. Anger is an emotion. If something didn't incite an emotion in you, you would have no reason to react. They aren't all aloof.
 

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That avoidance trains us to be very good at stepping aside from what would be an unpleasant reaction/self-consciousness/etc and keep going. IDK for a 7w6, but at least for a 7w8, there's also a mechanism that says "block it out," that you should fulfill your own needs on your own.
It's a really ugly, even dark part of the 7. I don't think some 7's realize how urgent it is that they get in touch with their souls.
as a 7w6, I can be pretty dark and ruthless too, but I feel my dark/ruthless tendencies are less excessive than 7w8. 7w8s have a stronger connection to 8's sadism which causes them to enjoy inflicting unnecessary pain; 7w6s are like raccoons. we mostly just run around without a care in the world, but we can go ape shit when we feel trapped or in danger.
 

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Nines are a lot more opinionated than they appear. Although the opinion usually comes out after the fact.

They're also incredibly stubborn and can be very difficult to budge. Especially if it's over something they just don't feel like doing.
 

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3's are tricky to identify. And though they have that "mask" we all talk about, they're intriguing and difficult to read or figure out. I like that about them.
And when other achieve personal goals, they can be extremely supportive and genuinely happy for you. They don't always respond to such successes with jealousy; they can be quite generous.

4's can be SUPER great at math and physics. 5's don't hold a monopoly on the sciences, just as 4's do not hold one on the Arts as a whole--some incredible 7 artists have I met!! (Am I Yoda now?... Meh, let it stand :happy:) The joy they bring to their work coupled with countless ideas is wonderful to work with! And they can be profoundly deep as well.

5's are tough little motherfuckers. I wouldn't want to cross one! They're not nearly as shy and subdued as some would have you believe. And when they defend their views or explain a concept, their confidence can't be topped. They just have a different "brand" of confidence :)


6's surprise me to no end. They have so many layers.
I was recently blessed enough to witness a lovely, lovely 6 and their relation to a variety of authority figures.
And he was a leader, man! And ridiculously intelligent. And so empathetic.
6's also can truly rival 2's when it comes to the "niceness" factor :)

1's can actually be very shallow in their perfectionism, sacrificing depth for a certain moral stability.

4's also give some of the best, most genuine compliments I have ever received. I feel like they must premeditate these kind words for months!

This isn't all that surprising Enneagram-wise, but I am always shocked when I find out how strong 8's really are. It's not that I didn't think an 8 could be that strong (we all know they are resilient little hunks of metal); I just didn't know being that strong was humanly possible.

2's are a ton of fun and are not necessarily easily offended.

9's are pillars of strength in the quietest way. We need them terribly. I've seen what happens when 9's leave or "abandon their post"... it's just sad the way people don't appreciate them in the moment.

I appreciat this thread
 

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Nines are a lot more opinionated than they appear. Although the opinion usually comes out after the fact.
They're also incredibly stubborn and can be very difficult to budge. Especially if it's over something they just don't feel like doing.
imo, 1w9 tops the list for stubbornness, but I like that about them. gut types in general are pretty stubborn
 
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Type 1

a)The idealism of a 1 can have practical applications. Ones can be highly pragmatic, competitive and achievement-oriented. They're competency triaders, at the end of the day. Competition is overemphasized with regards to 3s, 8s and 7s. The attentional pattern of Type 1s shifts to evaluating their performance not just against their own standards but that of others as well. You'd be surprised at how competitive Ones can be.

b) Ones can uphold absolutely any ethical/moral framework. A 1 can be a gangster, a terrorist, a genocidaire, a ruthless entrepreneur, a promiscuous vagabond and the list goes on. As long as they're acting in accordance with their own values (to which they will adhere to their best capacity), a One's perfectionism can be channelized in any lifestyle/career choice or personality.

c) Not all Ones are stereotypically SJ-ish neat freaks or whatever. In fact, if a Type 1 feels that it is inflexible and morally unacceptable to impose order on others, they will be very insistent and stubborn about living in the most carefree/outwardly disorganized way they please. @snail may attest to this. ;)

d) 1s can be rather aggressive, pushy and even possessive. Sx 1s and Sx 8s can look very similar, on the surface. These 1s are said to have the mentality of a conquerer, and they're often described as "animals in heat". On a related note, and I touched on it briefly above, not all 1s are sexually repressed and prudish. I knew a couple who are former porn/sex addicts. And, I know several with very high sex drives and rather devious sexual inclinations by most people's standards lol. Point being, pigeon-holing a type into the stick up the ass school headmaster category or other such oversimplified characteristics leads to a myopic understanding of type.

e) Ones like Sixes, and even 8s, tend to be watchful of authority and can even be anti-authoritarian. In fact, I find that revolutionary leaders are over-typed as 6s. The whole rule bound slaves of social convention stereotype does as much of a disservice to understanding Type 1 as it does to Type 6.


Type 2:


a) Twos are rejection-triaders. Like 8s and 5s, they are power-oriented and independence focused. Unhealthy 2s can be clingy and guilt trippy, but these are actually strategies of control. They can have a tremendous amount of unmet emotional needs and expectations that they deny up to a point, because their self-worth is affirmed through receiving love and approval for their seemingly selfless generosity. When in fact, there are strings attached; and, the two will manipulate others into getting these emotional needs met. For all their outward positivity and even effervescence, 2s can be very angry and resentful inside. Despite their seeming gentleness/warmth, Twos know exactly where they stand and what they want. They are consummate power players who are poorly understood in online forum communities. Their prideful nature is often overlooked in favour of, foolishly, portraying them as overly placating and needy mother hens.

b) Social 2s are amongst the most ambitious and influential types on the Enneagram. It's not uncommon for social 2 (men usually) to mistype as 8s. They're often very assertive and can be aggressive.


Type 3:



a)There's a shitload of misconceptions surrounding 3s. The amount of approval they need is grossly and ridiculously overestimated. I agree with @Swordsman of Mana. This has always annoyed me. 3s are not seeking anyone and everyone's admiration. 3s primarily want the admiration, respect and attention of people crucial to their rise up the success ladder. Period.

3s are not adversely affected by the negative opinions of random fucks. In fact, 3s like 7s are very good at reframing negative feedback positively, unless it's expressed in a severely disrespectful manner or comes from a person who holds the key to some opportunity or another that they're after. Even then, they're fully capable of excavating what's useful and discarding the rest.


It's a joke to assume that 3s, as RH put it, live and die on the opinions of others. That's some bullshit. Most theorists of note have always emphasized the pragmatism of the type. And, no pragmatist falls apart at the mere hint of negative feedback. Sure, a 3 like a 7 and like most people would much rather receive affirmation, admiration and so on, but it is folly to think that 3s are extremely dependent on people's opinions in general. Nonsense, as I just said.


b) It is Type 7 NOT type 3 that is narcissistic at the level of fixation. The narcissism of a 3 is earned and affirmed through constant striving and effort. It is the 7 that is the true narcissist. I have written a post about this, which I will quote later.

c)Threes have underlying anxiety about staying on top of things. This anxiety is best covered in the works of Naranjo and Maitri, and it's very important to grasp if you want to understand the type.

d) Like 8s, 1s and cp6s, 3s can tend towards an authoritarian orientation. In other words, they gravitate towards positions where they have control, and they work towards maximizing that control. 3s prefer being in positions of authority, and do not entrust others to look after their interests and progress as well as they can..themselves.



Type 4


They're emotionally quite resilient. I'll add more about how 4s and 8s are more similar in some ways than is realized. But, that'll have to wait. I am somewhat preoccupied and there's much to say.

My sections on 6, 7 and 9 will be fun to write. I look forward to finishing up this post.
 

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Ones: How they are as just as intensely perfectionistic with themselves as they are with others. That they can be really hedonistic at times.

Twos: That their passive aggression skills can put our infamous nine passive aggression to shame. That they can have more of a commanding role than the supposedly commanding eights.

Threes: That, for people often stereotyped as being shallow, can have tons of depth and be super attractive. :proud:

Fours: That they are incredibly feisty and strong, brave. That they often identify with strength.

Fives:
That there are so damned few its a genuine surprise to encounter them, even online where people are a dime a dozen.

Six: That they are often far more aggressive and abrasive than eights.

Seven: That they often are intensely unconfident regardless of being one of the most popular and appreciated types.

Eights: That their soft side often makes the supposed sensitivity of other types pale in comparison. That they are so damned fine. :p

Nines: That there is a huge diversity of us, from the wallflowers to the attention seekers.

Cool thread idea.
 

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6s: that they consider some precautions obvious, but still have huge holes in their self defence. such as only considering certain kinds of aspects of others threatening, while being blind to others.

2w1s: they have an intense red energy to them.

3s: they dont give time to emotions, despite liking them very much.

1's: are very emotional.

5w6's: are as paranoid as me. although, they do it naturally, whereas i learned it out of necessity.

4s: surprisingly self centered.

7s: might not like to deal with their pain, even if i make it fun to do.

8s: are blind to threats. too confident, arrogantly ignore others.

9s: lack an internal world.
 

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Type 1

a)The idealism of a 1 can have practical applications. Ones can be highly pragmatic, competitive and achievement-oriented. They're competency triaders, at the end of the day. Competition is overemphasized with regards to 3s, 8s and 7s. The attentional pattern of Type 1s shifts to evaluating their performance not just against their own standards but that of others as well. You'd be surprised at how competitive Ones can be.
doesn't surprise me

b) Ones can uphold absolutely any ethical/moral framework. A 1 can be a gangster, a terrorist, a genocidaire, a ruthless entrepreneur, a promiscuous vagabond and the list goes on. As long as they're acting in accordance with their own values (to which they will adhere to their best capacity), a One's perfectionism can be channelized in any lifestyle/career choice or personality.
...if they have strong integration to 7 :cool:

c) Not all Ones are stereotypically SJ-ish neat freaks or whatever. In fact, if a Type 1 feels that it is inflexible and morally unacceptable to impose order on others, they will be very insistent and stubborn about living in the most carefree/outwardly disorganized way they please. snail may attest to this. ;)
werd.
1w9s in particular can become the ruthless vigilante and look a lot more like xSxPs or E8




Type 2:
a) Twos are rejection-triaders. Like 8s and 5s, they are power-oriented and independence focused. Unhealthy 2s can be clingy and guilt trippy, but these are actually strategies of control. They can have a tremendous amount of unmet emotional needs and expectations that they deny up to a point, because their self-worth is affirmed through receiving love and approval for their seemingly selfless generosity. When in fact, there are strings attached; and, the two will manipulate others into getting these emotional needs met. For all their outward positivity and even effervescence, 2s can be very angry and resentful inside. Despite their seeming gentleness/warmth, Twos know exactly where they stand and what they want. They are consummate power players who are poorly understood in online forum communities. Their prideful nature is often overlooked in favour of, foolishly, portraying them as overly placating and needy mother hens.
I believed this stereotype until recently. :tongue:

b) Social 2s are amongst the most ambitious and influential types on the Enneagram. It's not uncommon for social 2 (men usually) to mistype as 8s. They're often very assertive and can be aggressive.
yup. in fact, once I read Naranjo's description of 2 and thought about it some, I realized that most of the males I (and several others) had typed as poster children 3w2s were actually 2w3s. more than other types, I think 2 descriptions need to focus on female 2s vs male 2s, because the behavioral manifestation is completely different.

female 2s range from sultry seductresses to glittery celebrities to political charmers (Sarah Palin comes to mind immediately LOL).

male 2s range from warm, playful and "bro-ish" when healthier and combative with dramatic antics of bravado when unhealthy (Theon Greyjoy from Game of Thrones and Anakin Skywalker come to mind immediately. also the entirety of the movie Troy), needing to prove their manliness so they don't lose the adoration of their peers. (an obvious on another forum I frequent

in fact, I think your stereotypical (American or European) football player, knight and male celebrity are all likely 2s.

whether healthy or unhealthy, male 2s often have a boyish short of masculinity to them. like, they want to be seen as tough/masculine, but also glamorous/aesthetically pleasing. this picture depicts it well


Type 3
a)There's a shitload of misconceptions surrounding 3s. The amount of approval they need is grossly and ridiculously overestimated. I agree with Swordsman of Mana. This has always annoyed me. 3s are not seeking anyone and everyone's admiration. 3s primarily want the admiration, respect and attention of people crucial to their rise up the success ladder. Period
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yup. seeking everyone's admiration is 2, seeking universal fame/glory/attention is also 2 (your stereotypical celebrity is a 2w3 with a fair number of 7s thrown in, not a 3w2 like everyone seems to think)
3s are looking for respect for their accomplishments. their self worth lies in their ability to get results.

*on a more speculative note, I have a theory that the wing operates in a similar fashion to the second instinct in one's stacking (ie, serving to help fulfill the needs/desires of the core type). in the case of 2w3 vs 3w2, 2w3s would use the their pragmatic abilities and accomplishments to bring them attention, adoration and acceptance while 3w2s would use their charm, people skills and networking abilities to get from point A to point B (reminds me of a performer vs high level executive who pulled strings and charmed superiors to get ahead. at the end of the day, the latter doesn't really care that much about whether or not those people liked him, it was a means to an end).

3s are not adversely affected by the negative opinions of random fucks. They don't care for anyone and everyone's opinion on their personality or their goals. In fact, 3s like 7s are very good at reframing negative feedback positively, unless it's expressed in a severely disrespectful manner or comes from a person who holds the key to some opportunity or another that they're after. Even then, they're fully capable of excavating what's useful and discarding the rest.
Id types in general are likely to think "I have haters, I must be doing something right" :cool: (take Justin Bieber for instance. he probably laughs his twinky little ass off at all the crazy shit haters say about him :laughing: )


It's a joke to assume that 3s, as RH put it, live and die on the opinions of others. That's some bullshit. Most theorists of note have always emphasized the pragmatism of the type.And, no pragmatist falls apart at the mere hint of negative feedback. Sure, a 3 like a 7 and like most people would much rather receive affirmation, admiration and so on, but it is folly to think that 3s are extremely dependent on people's opinions in general. Nonsense, as I just said.
exactly. particularly the bold
if anything, this is more unhealthy 6 and, once again, 2

b) It is Type 7 NOT type 3 that is narcissistic at the level of fixation. The narcissism of a 3 is earned and affirmed through constant striving and effort. It is the 7 that is the true narcissist. I have written a post about this, which I will quote later.
yup (speaking from experience :cool: ) I've been mistyped as 3w4 by countless people because they assumed I was too narcissistic to be a 7 :laughing:

another thing I'd like to add is that people seem to be under the impression that 3s have fragile egos and get defensive at most criticism
.....no. 3s (not just 3w4) are concerned with maintaining a poised, professional image. they want to, as you said, remain in control and getting defensive would only make them look like an idiot and cause people to loose respect for them.
 

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-- No, not just if they are integrated to 7 or even 7 fixed necessarily. As long as being promiscuous is not against their personal values or they're able to rationalize it with their superego somehow, Ones can be whatever they choose.

-- Unhealthy 3s, like unhealthy 6s, 1s, 7s...you name it, do not take criticism well. But, most threes that are even of average health (not EI health levels) will not make a big brouhaha over legit criticism, even if just for image and competency reasons. They're perfectly capable of, and actually do, focus on their strengths and the positives in a situation. So, it's unlikely to hugely unsettle them at all. And, the mature threes will take it gracefully provided it's objective and not an ad hominem laced spiel, which most assertive individuals of any type wouldn't take up their ass. The average threes will, at least, not get overtly and dramatically defensive. Overall though, the whole 3s overreacting to negative feedback is an all too hyped up stereotype.
 

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Things about enneatypes that surprised me:

1- Their shame about being sensitive. The ones I know are all very sensitive but don't want to show this part.

2- They can hurt you as hell with passive-aggressiveness.

3- The constant need for approval about their actions but at the same time they do whatever they want.

4- They can be VERY obstinate

5- They exist (ok, it's sarcasm, but it took me ages to meet a five)

6- Phobic: they can be absoultely brave; Counterphobic: they can be more afflicted than fours

7- There's often a hidden, non-mind related spirituality inside of them

8- Altruism. All 8s I know sometimes are incredibly generous.

9- They can achieve great things in life
 
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