[Briguy]

I was wondering what the difference between Ti-Ne and Ne-Ti is. When I try to enplane it to myself I think I am describing Ni-Te more than Ti-Ne. For instance, I will attempt to articulate INTPs as needing to have thought through something before implementing it into the real world. That sounds more like Te than Ti to me. I am still lost on my type, but the way my mind operates is by constantly reading everything know to man and then linking those things I read to the things around me. For instance, yesterday I was reading some very old quantum mechanics books, and as I was reading them I kept thinking of the film 2001 A Space Odyssey and the similarities between the two. This led me to believe that Stanley Kubrick probably red a similar book before constructing some of the scenes. This is still a theory and I need to go research it extensively before I can conclude that I was right in my assumption. Of course the film came out before Richard Feynman disproved much of the theories in this book. Sadly I will probably get bored and find something else to occupy my mind before I can research this. This raises other questions though, was what I just described Ne-Ti-Si or Ti-Ne-Si? Another example of how I think is merely to report what I have read or seen to other people, when I talk it is merely me describing a fact, which is why I hate to argue with someone over my facts when I know they are merely speculating. I will argue if someone is wrong and I need to correct them, but I don't enjoy arguing over fact. Another way I behave is my humor, I feel like I archive funny observations in case they come up later on in conversation. I also archive arguments, to whip out whenever I need to, such as how to argue about religion, a hot button topic, I just remember everything I know about Judaism, Islam, Christianity and say Hinduism. I prepare in my mind all the various angles to assure that I win. It is hell inside my head when I think like that. I have rambled on enough, in sum can someone enplane the difference between Ne-Ti and Ti-Ne? :happy:

 

[Eleventeenth]

Without getting into a long discussion about the difference, take a look at this thread and it will give you a general idea. There are some really good descriptions and analogies here:

http://personalitycafe.com/intp-forum-thinkers/94965-intp-creative-process.html

To put it briefly, Ti wants to drill down, analyze, and pick things apart in order to gain understanding of how things/concepts work and how they are put together/constructed. Ne goes out and looks for information, makes connections, creates novel ideas, new avenues, innovation, etc.

So, with the ENTP, it's all about ideas and innovation. Ti backs it up and allows them to deconstruct and see if an idea is feasible, but Ne wants to put ideas out into the world. They won't let Ti stop them very often. Ti is mostly a tool to analyze the wealth of ideas.

With INTP's, Ne feeds ideas to Ti, but then most of the time/effort is put into the analysis, learning the inner workings, looking for flaws, etc.

It's been said before that ENTP's will have 100 ideas, will try out 20 of them, and maybe 5 or 10 of them will work. INTP's might have 20 ideas, analyze them all to death, only try 2 of them, and 1 will work really, really well - because they refined it and analyzed it so thoroughly that it's almost bulletproof. ENTP's put more ideas into the world, but they are less refined. INTP's put less ideas into the world, but they are highly refined.

 

[Larxene]

In your future posts, please recall that there is something called a space-bar.

"For instance, yesterday I was reading some very old quantum mechanics books, and as I was reading them I kept thinking of the film 2001 A Space Odyssey and the similarities between the two."

N at work. Not sure whether Ne or Ni. But my Ne sure works that way. Ne's perception is formed by being exposed to ideas that come from external reality. The information is then taken into, processed and stored by the unconsciousness. This is why reading a lot without consciously processing the information will still fuel Ne, assuming that the information is accurate.

The problem arises when the information is not accurate. Then we get erroneous intuitive information. This is why Ti MUST be developed, to prevent the unconsciousness from storing false information.

"Sadly I will probably get bored and find something else to occupy my mind before I can research this."

A consequence of preferring N to S. My sister cannot deal with routines (INTJ). I cannot watch the same anime/movie show more than once.

"merely to report what I have read or seen to other people, when I talk it is merely me describing a fact, which is why I hate to argue with someone over my facts when I know they are merely speculating."

This is probably the work of Ne. Ni doesn't usually do this. Introverted functions often do not display the result of their processing.

"Another way I behave is my humor, I feel like I archive funny observations in case they come up later on in conversation. I also archive arguments, to whip out whenever I need to, such as how to argue about"

This is probably an aspect of Ne-Si, where Ne is enthusiastic about sharing to the world a certain perception, and Si tries to ensure the information remains the same in order to maintain the funny-ness of it.


I can't yet tell whether you're an INTP or ENTP, but you are very likely to have Ne.

 

[Briguy]

In your future posts, please recall that there is something called a space-bar.

"For instance, yesterday I was reading some very old quantum mechanics books, and as I was reading them I kept thinking of the film 2001 A Space Odyssey and the similarities between the two."

N at work. Not sure whether Ne or Ni. But my Ne sure works that way. Ne's perception is formed by being exposed to ideas that come from external reality. The information is then taken into, processed and stored by the unconsciousness. This is why reading a lot without consciously processing the information will still fuel Ne, assuming that the information is accurate.

The problem arises when the information is not accurate. Then we get erroneous intuitive information. This is why Ti MUST be developed, to prevent the unconsciousness from storing false information.

"Sadly I will probably get bored and find something else to occupy my mind before I can research this."

A consequence of preferring N to S. My sister cannot deal with routines (INTJ). I cannot watch the same anime/movie show more than once.

"merely to report what I have read or seen to other people, when I talk it is merely me describing a fact, which is why I hate to argue with someone over my facts when I know they are merely speculating."

This is probably the work of Ne. Ni doesn't usually do this. Introverted functions often do not display the result of their processing.

"Another way I behave is my humor, I feel like I archive funny observations in case they come up later on in conversation. I also archive arguments, to whip out whenever I need to, such as how to argue about"

This is probably an aspect of Ne-Si, where Ne is enthusiastic about sharing to the world a certain perception, and Si tries to ensure the information remains the same in order to maintain the funny-ness of it.


I can't yet tell whether you're an INTP or ENTP, but you are very likely to have Ne.

Its interesting that you mentioned TV shows, as that is the only routine I can follow. For instance, I watch the same TV shows on WGN every night. 30 Rock, Scrubs, and Its Always Sunny are among my favorite shows. I have been doing this since I was 11-12 years old, just with different shows, mostly the Simpsons reruns. I can't watch the Simpsons anymore though, as I have seen most of the episodes at least twice. I follow the same TV schedule for the most part, that is my only real routine, that and walking around campus alone in order to critically think through something. I took a cognitive functions test and scored high in Si but higher in Ne, Ni, Ti and Fe, the test said INTP was probably the right mbti type, but Ne and Ti were close, and the shadow Ni was high as well which adds to the confusion.