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So I was just thinking about how me quitting smoking today has been triggering my PTSD and I saw this -

"Here is some really exciting and interesting research that is being done in the US.

All clear for the decisive trial of ecstasy in PTSD patients | Science | AAAS

MDMA Treatment for PTSD and Trauma - Ecstasy and Molly Drug Trials to Treat PTSD

One thing to note is that we have a lot of vets with PTSD, but we also have a lot of women with PTSD from sexual assaults and abusive relationships. So, there are a lot of people in the US who are in need of effective, safe, easily accessible treatment options." - @Senah

Maybe it's a sign I should try it, but then it's not that I have a problem talking about it. I just don't want to talk about it. There are no words for the feelings I am going through. Not having a cigarette is just flooding back old crisis/can't deal feelings and when there is no tobacco to reach for I freak out and end up getting some. Anyone have any thoughts or advice on using MDMA for this or anything?
 

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From the studies and research being done that I have read, what is interesting to me about the trails involving PTSD and MDMA, is that the therapy really addresses some of what you are talking about in an interesting way.

A lot of the mechanism of PTSD and its repercussions is a physiological response (adrenaline, cortisone, etc) - almost a hormonal and epinephrine rush when you think about things that happened before or are in a situation that mimics them that make it difficult to process them. As other posters in a different thread mentioned, if you went through this in a previous experience (childhood, a marriage the ended, a war, etc.) and you cannot "relive it", it may be hard to work thought these emotions, though you have the repercussions. You can't necessarily talk through them because doing so triggers the hormonal and chemical responses that happened when you experienced the physical effects of being there (e.g. being abused, shot at, etc.). So, you can't get over them.

Medication to some extent or to no extent at all can numb these effects or subdue to reaction to it, but also has side effects, changes your personality, and also doesn't resolve the issue. If you go to therapy, you are usually with someone who, while well meaning, can't understand what you went through, but this is less the issue than that you physically and mentally have a block to processing and explaining/working through what you need to get to get to the other side of this PTSD issue. I think of it as being inside a dark room and knowing there must be something outside of it but not knowing where the door or window is, and having someone telling you to just get out of that room, and you been like, "um, dick, I have no idea how to do that".

At any rate. MDMA changes the chemical process of your brain in that instance where it causes a huge dopamine dump, essentially, during therapy, where you feel safe, happy, warm, and are able to confront the "bad things", negative experiences, without this adrenaline/PTSD response, work through them, find that door, and walk out of it with the guidance of that person helping you. Then you are on the other side and you can see back into that room and you are like "It is so sad that I spent so much side in that dark, small room being sad, and self hating and self medicating when there was a beautiful world out here, I just couldn't see it".

You need the structured guidance in this instance - that is why you have the studies that are giving the patients MDMA and they are going through the therapy while on it - it wears off in 5-8 hours. Usually after the first dose there is incredible improvement, and after 3 most people feel much better, "cured". Unlike with the medications we have available. But the importance of guidance by a professional is that coping mechanisms and connecting with support systems is usually essential because you have probably hurt people and left some destruction in your path and need to repair damage (no judgement - just a long path to recovery).

Not meaning to write a novel, but I find the avenue of a lot of medications and research that has previously been unavailable but could be so helpful for many people truly meaningful. There are studies going on. I would lobby congress, the FDA, the DEA, and others to make this more accepted. I would join studies that are ongoing if you can.

https://clinicaltrials.gov

Hang in there - there is hope.
 

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@Senah thank you so much for posting. very enlightening on the subject. i will definitely look into studies if i can. thanks again!
 

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Why don't you take Champax then? It helps you quit smoking. It makes the act of smoking physically unpleasant after a while, and gradually so more than likely you'll go off it and stay off it, but I think you may need a prescription for it from your GP.

Side effects can be weird though, I didn't get anything except nausea but if you pursue this your GP will know better than me.

Also I advise against the E. I've done it twice and the comedown for 3 days fucks one up due to plummetting serotinin levels. It's not really worth it. Plus you can always have a rally bad trip, I got triggered the last time I was on it and that was like 8 hours of hell. But if you do it drink a shit ton of water and set aside many many days to recover, you'll need it.
 
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Everyone has there own experiences with different stuff - but just to be clear I was definitely NOT advocating for buying Ecstasy (which is different than medical grade MDMA, which is a component of Ecstasy but not the same thing) and doing it to treat PTSD. The treatments being studied involve a controlled environment and a different drug than Ecstasy.

Chantix does work very well, but is not a great choice for someone with severe depression, PTSD, or high anxiety due to the possible side effects (suicidal thoughts, hallucinations, worsening depression). That said, if all else has been tried and failed and the patient has a good support system and is in a good place (or they have used it before with good effect but started smoking again), I will prescribe it sometimes, because as @Hellfire noted, it does work really well.

Short of that, a combination of Nicotrol inhalers or patches with Wellbutrin can really help too.
 

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yeah. sadly it isn't helping as much as i'd like it too, but it is helping a little.
Not sure how long you've been doing it but it took my close friend around a month before the smoking craving died. He's been a smoker for decades and never managed to quit longer than a week, even though he often tried to quit. Through vaping, he's been smoke free for six months without any relapse and has reduced the nicotine level from 12 mg to 3 mgs. At this pace, he'll be nicotine free in the next six months and if he's not, he's fine with it taking longer.
 

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Not sure how long you've been doing it but it took my close friend around a month before the smoking craving died. He's been a smoker for decades and never managed to quit longer than a week, even though he often tried to quit. Through vaping, he's been smoke free for six months without any relapse and has reduced the nicotine level from 12 mg to 3 mgs. At this pace, he'll be nicotine free in the next six months and if he's not, he's fine with it taking longer.
my problem is that vaping often makes me cough. i can't blow big clouds at all, so the enjoyment factor is pretty low. i did vape only (no tobacco) for a whole month before though but haven't been able to make the switch this time. keep trying, keep trying..
 

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my problem is that vaping often makes me cough. i can't blow big clouds at all, so the enjoyment factor is pretty low. i did vape only (no tobacco) for a whole month before though but haven't been able to make the switch this time. keep trying, keep trying..
I'm not pressuring you to vape. That said, information matters so here's an article about why people cough when they first start vaping and how to potentially mitigate the problem.

https://www.ecigarettedirect.co.uk/ashtray-blog/2015/07/vape-e-cig-cough.html
 

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Msbrightside, you're aware that mdma can have negative reaction on serotonin receptors? Not to mention the street value is generally between 20-40$? Seems like an expensive route to take as a medicine regimen. Probably more if you get caught ingesting it. Also, completely irrelevant but cannabis science has created a patch that eases fibromyalgia and diabetic nerve pain. Not saying drugs don't serve a purpose, but they wouldn't be my first go to.
 
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Msbrightside, you're aware that mdma can have negative reaction on serotonin receptors? Not to mention the street value is generally between 20-40$? Seems like an expensive route to take as a medicine regimen. Probably more if you get caught ingesting it. Also, completely irrelevant but cannabis science has created a patch that eases fibromyalgia and diabetic nerve pain. Not saying drugs don't serve a purpose, but they wouldn't be my first go to.
thanks for the warning. i wouldn't take the mdma unless it was guided by a professional therapist i don't think. i don't see any benefit to taking it without the talk therapy. i stick to pot mostly.
 

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Maybe your nicotine is a way to help you cope with stress (including from ptsd), and so replacing that coping aid with another way (like the way you are suggesting) would help.

But also, I think the physical withdrawals could just be aggravating any anxiety and maybe adding more stress in the short term, and perhaps you can find a way to make quitting an easier process.

I agree with the advice to try nicotine replacement. You could also try nicotine lozenges--there is probably still some adjustment required because it's not inhaling, but it might help.

I haven't heard about the mdma therapy, but you sound like you're being cautious and doing your research--sounds pretty interesting as a therapy aid. I wouldn't be afraid of it in a clinical environment, but I agree with others that are cautioning against using it illegally.

Seeing a counselor or therapist might also help give you support for quitting and also ptsd.
 

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just quit, dont be a pussy. mind over matter. use your will. make a choice, as if your life depended on it.

They say 3 days is the actual nicotine withdrawal period, after that its just in your head.

DO IT.
 

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just quit, dont be a pussy. mind over matter. use your will. make a choice, as if your life depended on it.

They say 3 days is the actual nicotine withdrawal period, after that its just in your head.

DO IT.
sadly i have given up. not because of the ptsd, but because i've realized after smoking for as long as i have, my brain doesn't function properly without adequate amounts of nicotine and not being able to think clearly is unnacceptable! it feels like i have become fully dependent on nicotine and if i quit i will never have proper use of my mental functions ever again. i'd rather be sick than low functioning and mentally challenged which is how i feel when i try to quit smoking. and vaping feels like playing a driving video game instead of actually driving a real car. suck suck suck on a stupid electronic device for hours and cough til you pee your pants. i think i will take my chances and go down with the ship if it ever sinks.
 

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sadly i have given up. not because of the ptsd, but because i've realized after smoking for as long as i have, my brain doesn't function properly without adequate amounts of nicotine and not being able to think clearly is unnacceptable! it feels like i have become fully dependent on nicotine and if i quit i will never have proper use of my mental functions ever again. i'd rather be sick than low functioning and mentally challenged which is how i feel when i try to quit smoking. and vaping feels like playing a driving video game instead of actually driving a real car. suck suck suck on a stupid electronic device for hours and cough til you pee your pants. i think i will take my chances and go down with the ship if it ever sinks.
if its the nicotine you need, they have that in vape... they have slim line ones you dont need to suck on for hours and blow huge clouds... just get something simple and take hits of nicotine with it
 

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and youre an 8w9 like me? shieeeeeeeit gurl... use that will power. believe in yourself. you are stronger than chemical addiction.

DO IT.
 
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