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Hi, I'm trying to type a friend. I think he's probably ESTJ, but I'm not sure. Here's what I've observed about him.

He's a very logical, thoughtful person. He's never afraid to share his opinions, though he takes time to form them and backs them up with facts. So he doesn't tend to give an opinion at all unless he's researched the facts first. (Which made me think he was an introvert at first, but now I don't know.) He's usually pretty calm and collected, at least when I've seen him, and he's super studious and dedicated to school and his hobby (mechanics ... basically planes, trains, and automobiles, if you will; he loves them). His life is super mapped out (wants to be a lawyer, has a financial plan for college).

The main thing is I wonder if he's actually an introvert - so ISTJ, perhaps? He does really seem to enjoy people and talking to people, but he's also super focused on whatever he puts his mind to and puts that before other people. But I'm not sure if that's something an extrovert would be just as likely to do. Also, is an ESTJ the kind of person who would put that much work into cars and that kind of thing? I know everyone's different and unique no matter what the type, but in your experience?

And I was reading the ESTJ profile (for another friend, actually ...) and it kind of stood out to me as similar to him. What do you think? I'm not sure what else to tell you about him.

Thanks (and feel free to ask questions; I've asked him and he says he doesn't care if I talk about him as long as I'm not giving away his SSN or anything. xD He's really not into MBTI at all. Says he doesn't even think it's a thing.)
 

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He's a very logical, thoughtful person. He's never afraid to share his opinions, though he takes time to form them and backs them up with facts. So he doesn't tend to give an opinion at all unless he's researched the facts first. (Which made me think he was an introvert at first, but now I don't know.) He's usually pretty calm and collected, at least when I've seen him, and he's super studious and dedicated to school and his hobby (mechanics ... basically planes, trains, and automobiles, if you will; he loves them). His life is super mapped out (wants to be a lawyer, has a financial plan for college).
The highlighted part is actually a Ti description. Te users make fast and efficient decisions. Although I must say, ESTJs do indeed tend to stop and think for a brief moment before adjusting their initial opinion. But I don't think they actually (re)build opinions in their minds from scratch (=Ti), instead they reprocess their analysis of a situation based on new information, using an existing model with different facts/data (= Te+Si).
 

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The highlighted part is actually a Ti description. Te users make fast and efficient decisions. Although I must say, ESTJs do indeed tend to stop and think for a brief moment before adjusting their initial opinion. But I don't think they actually (re)build opinions in their minds from scratch (=Ti), instead they reprocess their analysis of a situation based on new information, using an existing model with different facts/data (= Te+Si).
Okay, good to know. I'm thinking he might be somewhat of an ambivert.
 

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Okay, good to know. I'm thinking he might be somewhat of an ambivert.
Ambiversion would be an issue of ESTJ v ISTJ, which is plausible. But Te vs Te crosses the J/P barriers, which is theoretically impossible.
 

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I'd suggest that you don't put much energy into MBTI as the theory doesn't hold water.
An individual's test results can vary wildly within a year, your test results may be ISTP in October but INFP by next August. That's because the theory is pseudo science crap at best!
Lol, MBTI and other typologies cover a lot of fundamental truths. Tests are crap, yes, but the theory in itself isn't. I can test as any type (I just manipulate the answers, which is not very different from people giving unwillingly false or biased answers).

There are two problems with tests: (1) they are fundamentally poorly designed (i.e. based on the dichomoties rather than the cognitive functions), and (2) it is naturally hard for people to answer the questions truthfully (i.e. biased image of themselves). That is a recipe for failure.

Conslusion? Typing yourself other people manually is the one and only way; applying the theory cleanly and pure.
 

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Ambiversion would be an issue of ESTJ v ISTJ, which is plausible. But Te vs Te crosses the J/P barriers, which is theoretically impossible.
Hmm ... I'm going to have to read more about this. Although, I don't know ... he doesn't seem much like an ISTJ to me, but maybe that's just because in the past I've only known female ISTJs and he just shows it differently? I don't know.
 

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Hmm ... I'm going to have to read more about this. Although, I don't know ... he doesn't seem much like an ISTJ to me, but maybe that's just because in the past I've only known female ISTJs and he just shows it differently? I don't know.
People definitely vary within types. And yes gender could also be a factor since neurological research has indeed pointed out a few (fundamental) differences.

If you want to learn more about MBTI you should definitely learn about the cognitive functions linked to the different types.
 

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@KellBell

I'll respond to this in a bit.
 
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Duplicate post.
 

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are you sure that He's not some sort of STP?
 
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