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First of all, if you're about to post "you're a typist!" go away, it won't help anybody.

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I see ESFPs as pot-smoking guys who don't care about anything but their friends and themselves. In their 20s, they may start to care about things like corporations and the government or other "righteous" things. They love to party, preferably with their friends, a close group of friends or their friends, but don't mind strangers. Partying sometimes includes other drugs rather than weed, combined with lots and lots of alcohol. Likely to be smokers as they wanted to be cool. Generous, would share a chocolate that costs $50/kg that he just got from his grandma overseas with a friend's friend just because he's there with him at that moment. Can't be trusted to do something they promise, likely to just forget it. May even skip a class because they forgot about it, or a driving lesson, even if it costs $200 to retake it and they don't have it. Don't know if the following is country-specific, but: don't like to work, unless it's illegal and relatively easy. Very impulsive, prefer to set "schedule" 15 minutes before it happens, an hour tops. Oddly, when young seem to want some kind of fame, but that may be mistaken for the wish to be accepted. Due to their social skills and rather charming personality, some may consider them a leader, assuming it's a group of friends. Always have a story to tell, whether their own or someone else's. Often it's someone else's though. Pay attention to the stories of others, if it's happened to someone else, it's the truth. Sort people into respected and disrespected, depending on how their interests match. Have a moral code, once an ESFP even gave back what he stole from a guy in an online game because he felt bad about it. Loves animals, may stop and pet a stray dog or a cat on the street. Don't mind stuff that may harm them, "life is short, live good, die young" kinda folks. Don't mind getting "lost" in thought when doing something, so concentration skills. When under stress may be violent or do immoral stuff, like stealing from the less respected friends or insulting them. Don't mind making fun of friends or others as long as it's between friends. Neglect any logical discussion unless it's one-on-one. A partner leaving them may cause great stress that can last even for a month or a bit more and may lead into more-than-usual drug abuse. Don't like talking about love or romance, especially if it's related to them. May annoy the hell out of an ENTJ by asking countless "why?" questions about stuff that I see as intuitive and if I take the time to explain it, may just stick a "too serious" sticker on it. Great activity partners - gaming, whether computer or real-world and sports.

I bet that part of the observations are either generalizations or unrelated, so feel free to comment or post your observations and discuss.
 

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Some of those behaviors aren't really type specific, but certainly some of it is accurate in terms of many ESFPs.

Personally, I've never smoked pot or done any other illegal drugs, and I tried alcohol but didn't like it and haven't had any since my high school graduation night (not counting church wine.)

So, you said you were trying to understand ESFPs. What is it that you're trying to understand?

I expect you will get a few harsh responses from a few people who focus on the negative stereotypes, but personally I know if I did indulge in some of the drugs you're talking about, I would be a hard core addict. But I never have.

Anyway, I'm curious, since I have known very few ENTJs but the few I have encountered have definitely clashed with me, and I'd like to find a way to remedy that, so maybe we can help each other to understand the other type better.
 

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Some of those behaviors aren't really type specific, but certainly some of it is accurate in terms of many ESFPs.

Personally, I've never smoked pot or done any other illegal drugs, and I tried alcohol but didn't like it and haven't had any since my high school graduation night (not counting church wine.)

So, you said you were trying to understand ESFPs. What is it that you're trying to understand?

I expect you will get a few harsh responses from a few people who focus on the negative stereotypes, but personally I know if I did indulge in some of the drugs you're talking about, I would be a hard core addict. But I never have.

Anyway, I'm curious, since I have known very few ENTJs but the few I have encountered have definitely clashed with me, and I'd like to find a way to remedy that, so maybe we can help each other to understand the other type better.
I'm trying to understand how they operate, think, what they want, how they view the world, etc..

That's interesting. Most of who I know can stop smoking for a month then start up again, cigarettes I mean. Or even for longer than that. Same goes for drinking.

We can, what about you comment on the OP and/or give me some insight, while also giving me a few questions to answer?
 

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I'm trying to understand how they operate, think, what they want, how they view the world, etc..
Hmmm..okay. How I operate...what I love most is to make people laugh. Or at least smile, but hopefully laugh. The label of "entertainer" fits me well, as I live to entertain people, and it makes me feel good when I can make other people feel good. I want as many people to be having a good time as possible, all the time. I am an opportunist, always on the look-out for ways to have a good time and help others to have a good time.

How I think....tactically. As I said, opportunistically...scanning..aware of everything around me and how it can be used as a tool for making the most out of any given moment. Captain Haverill on NYPD Blue said "Everything's a situation." I could add that every moment is an opportunity. I think about what I am doing, or what I can do, to maximize the moments I am given.

What I want....I want attention. I want pleasure, I want powerful sensations, experiences that make me feel - make me smile, laugh, cry, sing, jump, shout...feel waves of emotion coursing through my body. I want to see, hear, smell, taste, touch awesome stuff, awesome people, awesome sounds, awesome sights, awesome experiences. I want to eat and drink and breathe and make love to and absorb the world, feel it tickle my throat and soothe my body as it goes down. Or just hear a child laugh. Especially those big belly laughs where they just let it out. I want people to do cool stuff with me. I want to share music and movies and tv and radio shows with people who will enjoy themselves and my company. I want people to hug me and kiss me and shake my hand and tell me thank you and that I helped them feel good. I want to drive on country roads with no particular destination in mind with the music blasting and the wind caressing my face. I want to write stories, tell stories, act out stories, be a part of true stories, and maybe help to make my own "happily ever after."

How I view the world...as a bunch of roads - not all of which are paved - with lots of fellow travelers trying to find their way around, dodging or confronting whatever obstacles and road blocks they are faced with to keep the journey going, and ultimately make it to whatever their destination may be. And each individual's journey is as important as anyone else's - no one is superior or more righteous in their cause, because we all have different roles in the world, and it's our role and not someone else's place to decide that for us.

That's interesting. Most of who I know can stop smoking for a month then start up again, cigarettes I mean. Or even for longer than that. Same goes for drinking.
I tried smoking cigarettes but thankfully never got addicted. I thought they were terrible. I stopped before my 19th birthday, same goes for drinking. I have no doubt that if I had gotten into drinking, I would have been a sure fire alcoholic. Whatever I do, I do the hell out of it. No half-assery for me, except things that I HAVE to do, and those things I'll cut many corners on.

We can, what about you comment on the OP and/or give me some insight, while also giving me a few questions to answer?
Well, as I said, the OP is mostly just a list of behaviors that you have witnessed from people you believe to be ESFP. If there's something more specific you want to know about me, I'll be absolutely happy to answer any questions you have. I'm open and honest and straightforward about everything.

I don't have any questions for you at this point, but I can say that my experiences with the ENTJs I have encountered usually make me feel that the ENTJ is rude, domineering, abrasive, inconsiderate, and sometimes downright mean. I have one ENTJ I know from work who I have had better experiences with. He seems to be very mature, but still narrow-minded to me in many ways. He is a hardcore atheist and never hesitates to make fun of or belittle people that believe in God which I find offensive. I think he has a right to his beliefs and certainly a right to speak them, but the smug attitude he has about it and the kind of I-know-the-truth-and-you're-delusional take he expresses is very grating.

But I fully admit I don't know very many ENTJs. It's possible I could get along great with them if I got to know them better. They just have a tendency to rub me wrong from the start and make me want to flee! I have even seen this online, in chat room situations. I am usually totally comfortable with whatever is being discussed and able to adapt and go with the flow. ENTJs are among the few that can knock me off my game and make me feel like leaving early. It's an odd but consistent phenomenon.
 

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I see ESFPs as pot-smoking guys Hi! I'm PerC user "Voicetrocity" I identify as female and have never touched pot in my life.
who don't care about anything but their friends and themselves This isn't entirely true. I do care about myself and my friends; but I also care about my family, the homeless guy on the street, the person who stops and let me cross at the crosswalk, my car, my physical health- I just care about them in different ways.
In their 20s, they may start to care about things like corporations and the government or other "righteous" things. Umm..... I'm in my late twenties and the only thing specific you mentioned that I care about is the government. I'm fascinated by the way it runs, and kind of disappointed at some of the people I see representing me. Yeah, I even watch C-Span.
They love to party, preferably with their friends, a close group of friends or their friends, but don't mind strangers. I don't like to "party" all that much; but you're right, the only people I can really tolerate in a party setting are those who I could tolerate outside of one (aka: my friends)
Partying sometimes includes other drugs rather than weed, combined with lots and lots of alcohol. Partying includes drugs and alcohol for others but not me, I'm the sober DD.
Likely to be smokers as they wanted to be cool. Sh*T! Thank you so much for this! I had no freaking clue why I went through that whole smoking period for 10 years of my life. I'm glad you solved that puzzle for me.
Generous, would share a chocolate that costs $50/kg that he just got from his grandma overseas with a friend's friend just because he's there with him at that moment. Pssshhhh.... No. I love chocolate, and I'm eating it all, thank you very much. Can't be trusted to do something they promise, likely to just forget it. May even skip a class because they forgot about it, or a driving lesson, even if it costs $200 to retake it and they don't have it. No. No and No.
Don't know if the following is country-specific, but: don't like to work, unless it's illegal and relatively easy. Wait... my ESFP welcome guide didn't tell me I was only allowed to do illegal work. I'd better get on that right away.
Very impulsive, prefer to set "schedule" 15 minutes before it happens, an hour tops. No, I actually prefer to know about things, at the very LEAST, 24 hours in advance.

And that's all that I'm going to touch from your post, because answering the questions began to hurt my brain. And it would have taken me a very, very long time to go through them all, since I seem like the complete opposite of any ESFP you have in your mind.

If you really want to understand ESFP's, understand that you can't peg "behaviors" "motivations" or "fears" on us. The only thing you can peg on us in the way we take in the world- which is through our five senses. We're very observant people and adept at reading body language and between the lines. After we process something through our senses (Se), it goes to our introverted feeling center (Fi) where we determine how we feel about something. Let's take your example of sharing the chocolate I just got from Grandma with a friend's friend. I might realize friend-of-friend is standing there, but my Fi might tell me that friend-of-friend is an a-hole and I might resolve to not share anything with them, even if that ask. Conversely, I might process that they did something nice for friend of friend, and might offer to share even before they ask. Oh, and we also use (Te) which is that function that looks for logic, faulty reasoning and allows us to be decisive and stick to schedules.

Anything else you'd like to know, you might want to provide specific questions about functions instead of sweeping stereotypes and examples that aren't type specific- that would be most appreciated.
 

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Anyway, I'm curious, since I have known very few ENTJs but the few I have encountered have definitely clashed with me, and I'd like to find a way to remedy that, so maybe we can help each other to understand the other type better.
Agood friend of mine seems like esfp(she tested like esfp), we tend to dicsauss a lsot but nothing big or hard, i think its about me (entj) being a son of a .... that does not care aobut show feelings but being able to understande verythign about her and she being condecendant about how i should be more charismatic; for me that worst part is the S vs N but its something personal not sure if anyone else car relate to this however and this could sound absurd we are really good friends
 

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That was a truly awesome post. Helps me understand ESFP so much more. And remember how much cooler my life is when I have an ESFP in it. :)

PS I just happened to notice you quoted me in your signature. I'm not sure I've ever been quoted before. Wow. I'm sort of famous. :)
 
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That was a truly awesome post. Helps me understand ESFP so much more. And remember how much cooler my life is when I have an ESFP in it. :)

PS I just happened to notice you quoted me in your signature. I'm not sure I've ever been quoted before. Wow. I'm sort of famous. :)
Thanks! I hope people get something out of it, and as voicetrocity said, don't just rely on "sweeping stereotypes." There are so many different ways that the ESFP personality is expressed. There are ESFP teachers, insurance salesmen, ministers, travel agents, surgeons, stock brokers, receptionists, lawyers, newsstand owners, restauranteurs, missionaries, etc etc and many more. We're not all junkies with no morals or self-control. The ones that are may get more publicity, but then that's true of any type. The kind of extreme behavior mentioned in the OP doesn't represent the average ESFP in daily life I don't think.

I quoted you in my signature because I thought it was a great, brief reminder to people. Yes, stick with me and you'll always be sorta famous. :proud:
 

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Thanks! I hope people get something out of it, and as voicetrocity said, don't just rely on "sweeping stereotypes." There are so many different ways that the ESFP personality is expressed. There are ESFP teachers, insurance salesmen, ministers, travel agents, surgeons, stock brokers, receptionists, lawyers, newsstand owners, restauranteurs, missionaries, etc etc and many more. We're not all junkies with no morals or self-control. The ones that are may get more publicity, but then that's true of any type. The kind of extreme behavior mentioned in the OP doesn't represent the average ESFP in daily life I don't think.
I seriously got a ton out of it. I've been questioning how well I understand the type and wondering if some people I think are ESFPs really are. Your post helps me see the basic desires and motivations, and it helps me see how all these people I know who are so different and have such different lives (you're not kidding!) indeed have the same functional makeup. One was my great-uncle who played every sport in the world. When I was a kid I would guess every sport I could think of and he would say yes, he played it. After he retired he volunteered in nursing homes and played sports all the way to the end. One is my aunt who has a personal style like no other, even her high-fashion friends think she's out there, and she just loves everybody the same, no matter who they are. One is my high school friend who lives in New York and is a publishing agent. She used to read all the new books, now she puts them out. A college friend lives in Chicago, works for a law firm by day and in theatre by night. A few more are monks/brothers/missionaries, and they inspire people and spread the love everywhere they go. So, where are the potheads? <scratching head>

Yes, stick with me and you'll always be sorta famous. :proud:
LOL!
 

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I will read and reply to this, too little time to indulge into long reads and replies at the moment.
 

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Well, I must admit that I have addictive tendencies. I do smoke and find it hard to have just the one socail glass of wine. Although, that may have nothing to do with being an ESFP. My friends that are also smokers vary greatly personality-wise and I doubt any of them are ESFPs like me. I smoke and drink socially usually, whereas I have friends that drink, smoke or use other substances alone to try and cope with their problems rather than expressing their feelings (my INTP boyfriend for example).

In saying that, I'm very disciplined when it comes to exercise and sport. I get a real buzz from it and enjoy pushing my body to the limit. I'm really able to push past the pain and just focus on my fitness goal of the day. It keeps me motivated and balanced. I would go as far to say that I'm quite tough in that regard, rather than a stereotypical happy-go-lucky ESFP.

I find that my inner being almost doesn't exist when I'm not verbalising things or actively doing something, so it really pushes me to keep myself busy, to be productive and generally put myself out there. As a result I have a lot of life experience and feel that I'm quite a lot more mature than a lot of my friends my age (I'm 21). I have a very strong extroverted preference apparently, not sure if this is related as I'm very new to all of this.

My point is that with every strength there's a weakness, there's always a downside to every MBTI profile, nobodies perfect. A balanced person of any type won't have apparent destructive tendencies or display negative characteristics.

In unrelated news, apparently Richard Branson is an ESFP. That's pretty cool! I would much rather be compared to Sir Richard than another billionaire like Bill Gates (he's not a particularly warm person and is very analytical). That's just me though, I'm all for space tourism! :tongue:
 

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First of all, if you're about to post "you're a typist!" go away, it won't help anybody.

Observations:
I see ESFPs as pot-smoking guys who don't care about anything but their friends and themselves. In their 20s, they may start to care about things like corporations and the government or other "righteous" things. They love to party, preferably with their friends, a close group of friends or their friends, but don't mind strangers. Partying sometimes includes other drugs rather than weed, combined with lots and lots of alcohol. Likely to be smokers as they wanted to be cool. Generous, would share a chocolate that costs $50/kg that he just got from his grandma overseas with a friend's friend just because he's there with him at that moment. Can't be trusted to do something they promise, likely to just forget it. May even skip a class because they forgot about it, or a driving lesson, even if it costs $200 to retake it and they don't have it. Don't know if the following is country-specific, but: don't like to work, unless it's illegal and relatively easy. Very impulsive, prefer to set "schedule" 15 minutes before it happens, an hour tops. Oddly, when young seem to want some kind of fame, but that may be mistaken for the wish to be accepted. Due to their social skills and rather charming personality, some may consider them a leader, assuming it's a group of friends. Always have a story to tell, whether their own or someone else's. Often it's someone else's though. Pay attention to the stories of others, if it's happened to someone else, it's the truth. Sort people into respected and disrespected, depending on how their interests match. Have a moral code, once an ESFP even gave back what he stole from a guy in an online game because he felt bad about it. Loves animals, may stop and pet a stray dog or a cat on the street. Don't mind stuff that may harm them, "life is short, live good, die young" kinda folks. Don't mind getting "lost" in thought when doing something, so concentration skills. When under stress may be violent or do immoral stuff, like stealing from the less respected friends or insulting them. Don't mind making fun of friends or others as long as it's between friends. Neglect any logical discussion unless it's one-on-one. A partner leaving them may cause great stress that can last even for a month or a bit more and may lead into more-than-usual drug abuse. Don't like talking about love or romance, especially if it's related to them. May annoy the hell out of an ENTJ by asking countless "why?" questions about stuff that I see as intuitive and if I take the time to explain it, may just stick a "too serious" sticker on it. Great activity partners - gaming, whether computer or real-world and sports.

I bet that part of the observations are either generalizations or unrelated, so feel free to comment or post your observations and discuss.
I think it is offensive, I'm an ESFP but I care about moral, doing right things and respect others. Just because somebody is an ESFP doesn't makes him an inconsequent, but makes him a lover of life and fun, good things for us
 
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