[Antiparticle]

Just discovered this exists online: Soulmate vs Twin flame

tldr: we meet several soulmates and 1 twin flame

I think this thing happened to me, it matches even this uplifting humanity stuff, his last scientific project is called “Human-centered AI” and how to help humankind. It influenced me to become more altruistic (and the other way I think I was the inspiration for this project).

I constantly feel like I am missing twin lately and don’t know how to explain it.

I think there is truth in this:

How to Tell the Difference Between Your Soulmate and Your Twin Flame

They're used interchangeably, but there's a big difference. We asked a spiritual guide to explain twin flame vs. soulmate.

www.brides.com

 

[Antiparticle]

This is so weird it must be true.

Why would people write this if it wasn’t true?

 

[SgtPepper]

Just discovered this exists online: Soulmate vs Twin flame

tldr: we meet several soulmates and 1 twin flame

I think this thing happened to me, it matches even this uplifting humanity stuff, his last scientific project is called “Human-centered AI” and how to help humankind. It influenced me to become more altruistic (and the other way I think I was the inspiration for this project).

I constantly feel like I am missing twin lately and don’t know how to explain it.

I think there is truth in this:

How to Tell the Difference Between Your Soulmate and Your Twin Flame

They're used interchangeably, but there's a big difference. We asked a spiritual guide to explain twin flame vs. soulmate.

www.brides.com

I think there is truth to this. I've had experiences similar to it. I think there may be "twin souls" out there for everyone.

 

[Whippit]

I can't speak to the soul stuff, but I ended up seeking and being with somebody more like me than not. I still seek the same as friends. The way I psychically developed, I'm very self sufficient and also non-normative and I find that I don't so much need people to "balance" me, but need people to inhabit similar worlds with.

 

[Antiparticle]

I think I still experience this “twin” feeling. Or, better expression is mirror soul.

Interesting that the term derived from Plato:

“The first mention of twin souls comes from Plato, the Greek philosopher. He theorized that original humans had one head with two faces, four arms, and four legs with two sets of genitalia. These humans were considered the true twin flames and were extremely powerful beings.

As these beings were so powerful, the gods of the time felt threatened and had to act lest they be overtaken by the humans. In order to allow humans to continue existing in peace, Zeus split the original humans into two separate beings. We exist in this form today, and the ancient universe continues to follow our story.

Because humans were split, and their souls divided, an encounter with your twin flame is especially intoxicating. After being split for so long, being together as one is overwhelming and leads to intense relationships.”

 

[WickerDeer]

I have a hard time accepting dogma. Also, I think that relationships should be healthy and beneficial, so there's no reason for me to dwell on the idea of having a twin flame that I am not with, except I guess to be hopeful that a relationship could be possible in the future.

So I don't tend to lend a lot of credence to these types of beliefs even if I still aspire towards the possibility of a healthy relationship.

 

[Infinitus]

I have a lot of mystical beliefs, but I don’t believe in this. All is interconnected, thus everyone is my soulmate, & it’s a moot term. The idea that a twin flame is my soul in another body is almost comical. There is nothing of me that exists outside of me, no matter what context or belief system I view it from.

 

[Red Panda]

I think these concepts, twin flames and soulmates are some good examples of the Feeling function in action - forming a certain rational framework from feelings. It can happen when we experience such intense feelings that feel transcendent, it's sort of real from a feeling perspective coz it's damn amazing, but otherwise more like wishful thinking.

 

[attic]

I can appreciate the soulmate idea as a story, a way to depict strong feelings. With the various versions it also gives clues to how people try to explain their different relationships and connections, such as the range from opposites attracts to cookie looks for mate (swedish expression, supposed to rhyme, meaning one looks for something similar to match). But I think many feel something of the kind at times, though perhaps not to the extent of twin flame, a kind of recognition - "oh, look, there's one of my people!"

 

[Antiparticle]

I have a lot of mystical beliefs, but I don’t believe in this. All is interconnected, thus everyone is my soulmate, & it’s a moot term. The idea that a twin flame is my soul in another body is almost comical. There is nothing of me that exists outside of me, no matter what context or belief system I view it from.

You don’t even need mysticism to explain it, although spiritually it’s about souls (if you believe).

You can also call soul = consciousness.

Non-mystical view: It’s similar to energy conservation, energy is constant in the universe. Our consciousness as a form of energy can also be preserved. After we die the conscious part doesn’t die, it stays “somewhere”. Where? It has to be another conscious being.

Collective intelligence is something we already have/share as a society. Example: how many times we mention Jung or Mozart? Is it decaying? It’s in our collective memory. When we stop mentioning them the collective memory decays, and we will forget, as a collective.

When one of us dies, we experience a part of his/her consciousness merging with ours, to preserve memory about this person. (We think differently about others who are alive, because we can always go and ask that person something, this changes after death.)

In a way, we already never let each other die completely, because we think about each other. The difference is that spiritual theories create places out of this “world/universe” where our souls live.

The universe is already expanding just like our consciousness always has to evolve. After death we join collective or universal consciousness (i.e. you live outside of your body).

 

[Antiparticle]

I have a lot of mystical beliefs, but I don’t believe in this. All is interconnected, thus everyone is my soulmate, & it’s a moot term. The idea that a twin flame is my soul in another body is almost comical. There is nothing of me that exists outside of me, no matter what context or belief system I view it from.

“Mystical” approach:

One spiritual theory (belief) close to what I explained is reincarnation. So if you would meet soul or form of consciousness from any past life you would feel this connection, the feeling that you already experienced life with this person before:

 

[Antiparticle]

I think these concepts, twin flames and soulmates are some good examples of the Feeling function in action - forming a certain rational framework from feelings. It can happen when we experience such intense feelings that feel transcendent, it's sort of real from a feeling perspective coz it's damn amazing, but otherwise more like wishful thinking.

Feeling function is for values and inter-dynamics between real people, not for thinking about intuitive things such as souls.

 

[Red Panda]

Feeling function is for values and inter-dynamics between real people, not for thinking about intuitive things such as souls.

believing someone is your soulmate is an evaluation which starts from the emotions you experience in their presence and in your relationship
then it becomes a rationalization, a whole system of explaining why it occurs

 

[Antiparticle]

believing someone is your soulmate is an evaluation which starts from the emotions you experience in their presence and in your relationship
then it becomes a rationalization, a whole system of explaining why it occurs

It doesn’t start from feelings, it starts from perception that something “similar already happened”. For the concept of mirror souls you don’t have to be “in love” with this person. Soul mate is a different concept, but also not about romantic love, i.e. your parents and family are also your soul mates.

 

[Red Panda]

It doesn’t start from feelings, it starts from perception that something “similar already happened”. For the concept of mirror souls you don’t have to be “in love” with this person. Soul mate is a different concept, but also not about romantic love, i.e. your parents and family are also your soul mates.

and do you experience this as a sensation in your body?

 

[Antiparticle]

and do you experience this as a sensation in your body?

I see it more about minds, read my post above about collective intelligence.

The most “mystical” function that reaches for abstract concepts is considered to be Ni, but my view is that there are no “mystical functions” (proof: sensors can be equally religious and spiritual).

I don’t want to digress, I see F as a really simple function in interpersonal relationships. My other view is that all functions work together so for some understandings we need more than 1 function. Probably Ni-Fe could be useful for idealistic concepts related to humanity (global thinking).

 

[Infinitus]

You don’t even need mysticism to explain it, although spiritually it’s about souls (if you believe).

You can also call soul = consciousness.

Non-mystical view: It’s similar to energy conservation, energy is constant in the universe. Our consciousness as a form of energy can also be preserved. After we die the conscious part doesn’t die, it stays “somewhere”. Where? It has to be another conscious being.

Collective intelligence is something we already have/share as a society. Example: how many times we mention Jung or Mozart? Is it decaying? It’s in our collective memory. When we stop mentioning them the collective memory decays, and we will forget, as a collective.

When one of us dies, we experience a part of his/her consciousness merging with ours, to preserve memory about this person. (We think differently about others who are alive, because we can always go and ask that person something, this changes after death.)

In a way, we already never let each other die completely, because we think about each other. The difference is that spiritual theories create places out of this “world/universe” where our souls live.

The universe is already expanding just like our consciousness always has to evolve. After death we join collective or universal consciousness (i.e. you live outside of your body).

Personally, I would separate the ideas of a soul & consciousness. A soul is more synonymous with being, or a persons essence, beyond the physical. The holistic "I". It's supposed to be unique to you. Whereas consciousness, as you yourself demonstrate, can be explained without resorting to mysticism or spirituality.

Considering my idea of the soul, I don't require someone to be my soul to love them more than words can express. Actually, the idea that I'd love them so much because they are actually my soul in another body, to me, sounds ultra-narcissistic. My idea of true love is loving someone in spite of differences. Or to put it in soul terms, I want their soul to compliment my soul, not be the exact same thing.

I'm cooking rn, I'll get back to this.

 

[Red Panda]

I see it more about minds, read my post above about collective intelligence.

The most “mystical” function that reaches for abstract concepts is considered to be Ni, but my view is that there are no “mystical functions” (proof: sensors can be equally religious and spiritual).

I don’t want to digress, I see F as a really simple function in interpersonal relationships. My other view is that all functions work together so for some understandings we need more than 1 function. Probably Ni-Fe could be useful for idealistic concepts related to humanity (global thinking).

But how do you evaluate that someone is a twin flame/soulmate? Experiencing that something has happened before with another person points to experiencing a feeling in their presence that makes you evaluate what they are worth to you. I'm guessing Ts would be less likely to recognize this tho.
F is a lot more complex that that, it's a rationalization process that begins from gut sensations/feelings which make us evaluate what's going on then build a worldview around those evaluations. That's what is meant by "values" when we talk about F and it's not for interpersonal relationships only, but everything, especially for F doms.

 

[Ms. Aligned]

My definition of soulmate is someone who sees through the mask you put on everyday, loves you for everything, and comes back to you at night. Lol

 

[Antiparticle]

But how do you evaluate that someone is a twin flame/soulmate? Experiencing that something has happened before with another person points to experiencing a feeling in their presence that makes you evaluate what they are worth to you. I'm guessing Ts would be less likely to recognize this tho.
F is a lot more complex that that, it's a rationalization process that begins from gut sensations/feelings which make us evaluate what's going on then build a worldview around those evaluations. That's what is meant by "values" when we talk about F and it's not for interpersonal relationships only, but everything, especially for F doms.

F is more complex for higher users, but still not “mystical”.

But how do you evaluate that someone is a twin flame/soulmate?

In your terms, for me the “feeling” with soulmate is 1+1=2, two friends or supporting souls that share a part of life, or romantic partner.

With mirror soul: 1/2 + 1/2 = 1. More difficult feeling, close to lack of completeness without this person.

I discovered in retrospective, because I wasn’t knowledgeable about these theories (or spiritual).

When he died our joint friend needed a moment to be sure I didn’t die (really weird because I wasn’t sick or in danger), to understand who died out of 2 of us, while talking to me. I also remember I said to my mom “I am blind now” instead I am really sad or something more conventional to express grief. I felt like I lost a person who was literally like an (abstract) mirror of my personality.

My perception of my identity changed, I wasn’t sure who I was for and what is now my place in long-term and well established people interdynamic/relationships. Looking back my whole life something attracted me to the same place where he was, sharing thoughts, plans, ideas… so this could be attributed to feelings. Other than that it can be explained with reincarnation (after I read more about it). This reincarnation “feeling” is: It’s you again- what task do we solve together this time?

The closest feeling is probably recognizing self in another person.