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Just discovered this exists online: Soulmate vs Twin flame

tldr: we meet several soulmates and 1 twin flame

I think this thing happened to me, it matches even this uplifting humanity stuff, his last scientific project is called “Human-centered AI” and how to help humankind. It influenced me to become more altruistic (and the other way I think I was the inspiration for this project).

I constantly feel like I am missing twin lately and don’t know how to explain it.

I think there is truth in this:


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Heard of this theory. Even know people who think their have met their twin flames in this lifetime.

Supposedly, a soulmate is someone who understands and accepts you on a super deep level, and the feeling is reciprocated.

Twin flame is a soulmate on steroids, meaning that not only do the two of you get each other, you merge energetically into one entity and are inseparable ever since. There is also a theory that twin flames meet only when/if they have completed their missions for this incarnation, because if they meet beforehand they will be so fulfilled, they'll never bother to grow/learn their lessons.
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My definition of soulmate is someone who sees through the mask you put on everyday, loves you for everything, and comes back to you at night. Lol
Give more of these INTJ insights on “real connections”. Lol

I have a feeling INTJs want to leave the room when this kind of talk begins (morality, altruism, ideals, love etc.)
This is so weird it must be true.

Why would people write this if it wasn’t true?

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Power and money. When there's no grounds there's usually a grift.
Creating a mystical sounding idealized concept creates intrigue and attachment, which opens you up for giving resources to pursue it.
Humans are opportunistic intra species predators. Read up on the Barnum Effect this is fucking child's play.
Personally, I would separate the ideas of a soul & consciousness. A soul is more synonymous with being, or a persons essence, beyond the physical. The holistic "I". It's supposed to be unique to you. Whereas consciousness, as you yourself demonstrate, can be explained without resorting to mysticism or spirituality.

Considering my idea of the soul, I don't require someone to be my soul to love them more than words can express. Actually, the idea that I'd love them so much because they are actually my soul in another body, to me, sounds ultra-narcissistic. My idea of true love is loving someone in spite of differences. Or to put it in soul terms, I want their soul to compliment my soul, not be the exact same thing.

I'm cooking rn, I'll get back to this.
For me these terms are the same, I like the concept of collective consciousness. Soul is more like a religious/spiritual term.

Mirror souls are not about love/romance, but probably pop culture & social media are already distorting this concept into a new “must have” trend. Hopefully not, I can see it happening like with everything that has at least some substance.
One of the last books I read was probably about some of the inspiration for the twin flame idea. I also like stories, as @attic mentioned about herself and concepts like this.

It's called The Forest of Enchantment and it's about Sita and Rama. If you don't know, they are Hindu gods and goddesses that are also consorts/mates of each other, and so they reincarnated many lifetimes, and found each other as they are each the other half of each other. (that's my poor understanding, as I'm not Hindu and not that knowledgeable about it)

@Antiparticle you might like it if you like fiction--though Sita's life was a very difficult one, as one of the incarnations of Lakshmi.

There is also the concept of fate though, maybe--or destiny. I guess my idea falls a little closer to what @Ms. Aligned said, in that I don't want to view physical reality as the enemy or conflicting with the intangible. So I think that, instead of stories of tragedy, there should be an aspect of things working out. I do not know about past or future lifetimes, only this one. And so I feel that anything that is so elevated, should also be in harmony with this lifetime as well.

So I wouldn't want to see someone who didn't work out as my "twin flame", but rather the concept of the soul mate also works in this life in my life--in a very real and concrete way. And I feel like that fuzzy concept I have is closest to some kind of "fate" or "destiny" in a more Western sense, as if it's just magically the perfect time for something--no other explanations necessarily...something outside of my control. Perhaps along with the idea of the fates spinning out a wheel of thread--it just happens to be fated for my life that I have a perfect loving relationship or else not.

And whether it is good depends on whether it is good for this world also--the people living in this world, because we can make it a better place.

But that is also what the story about Sitta And Rama is about, because they both make the world a better place by being in it together--so there's a lot I don't understand about Eastern philosophy and religions as well as western. So idk just some random thoughts
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For me these terms are the same, I like the concept of collective consciousness. Soul is more like a religious/spiritual term.

Mirror souls are not about love/romance, but probably pop culture & social media are already distorting this concept into a new “must have” trend. Hopefully not, I can see it happening like with everything that has at least some substance.
I figure I'm more concerned about the meaning of words. Soul, sole, solitary. Meaning one thing. Or the Sun; Sol. That's why I have an issue with the idea of a soul inhabiting two (or more) bodies. It means a singular thing. Though I definitely relate to the idea of getting along with someone, to the point that it seems you've known them longer than you have. A twin flame would be a soulmate you really, really like, with a passion.
Imagine if reincarnation was real, I could just jump off a cliff over and over until I reincarnate into some super rich family like son of a king or something LOL
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Imagine if reincarnation was real, I could just jump off a cliff over and over until I reincarnate into some super rich family like son of a king or something LOL
Is your sig a pic of you by a cliff edge? Don’t do it man! You have much to live for in this life!
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Is your sig a pic of you by a cliff edge? Don’t do it man! You have much to live for in this life!
Why? I can just reincarnate into a even better life if I believe that system lul
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Who said it would be better??
Coz if it’s not u just reroll your life until it is, that’s the problem with infinite respawn philosophies, people won’t take life seriously coz they won’t have to, becomes a video game.
Isn't heaven/hell/ buffet of virgins a video game outcome?
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Isn't heaven/hell/ buffet of virgins a video game outcome?
But I don't believe in that either, when you dead u just gone is how I roll so I take my life abit more seriously coz I only got this;

One shot
Or one opportunity
To seize everything I ever wanted
In one moment
Would I capture it
Or just let it slip?
I figure I'm more concerned about the meaning of words. Soul, sole, solitary. Meaning one thing. Or the Sun; Sol. That's why I have an issue with the idea of a soul inhabiting two (or more) bodies. It means a singular thing. Though I definitely relate to the idea of getting along with someone, to the point that it seems you've known them longer than you have. A twin flame would be a soulmate you really, really like, with a passion.
Mythological roots say that soul inhabited 2 bodies (post #5). Like I said, mirror soul concept is not about romantic love. Soul mates are also family and friends, not necessarily romantic partners. Romantic love is a cultural concept that developed much later.
Mythological roots say that soul inhabited 2 bodies (post #5). Like I said, mirror soul concept is not about romantic love. Soul mates are also family and friends, not necessarily romantic partners. Romantic love is a cultural concept that developed much later.
I sourced Plato’s actual writing -

“Love is born into every human being; it calls back the halves of our original nature together; it tries to make one out of two and heal the wound of human nature.” – Plato, Symposium.

I believe I understand what Plato is saying here: make one out of two. It’s a similar idea to the Christian “two become one flesh”. Or as The Spice Girls put it “when two become one”. None of these ideas are about splitting of souls into two, or a soul inhabiting multiple bodies. That’s a modern, new-age interpretation, as far as I can tell. 🤓
I sourced Plato’s actual writing -

“Love is born into every human being; it calls back the halves of our original nature together; it tries to make one out of two and heal the wound of human nature.” – Plato, Symposium.

I believe I understand what Plato is saying here: make one out of two. It’s a similar idea to the Christian “two become one flesh”. Or as The Spice Girls put it “when two become one”. None of these ideas are about splitting of souls into two, or a soul inhabiting multiple bodies. That’s a modern, new-age interpretation, as far as I can tell. 🤓
Plato explicitly explains the myth through Aristophanes' intervention.
Plato explicitly explains the myth through Aristophanes' intervention.
This? -

“These are the people who finish out their lives together and still cannot say what it is they want from one another. No one would think it is the intimacy of sex—that mere sex is the reason each lover takes so great and deep a joy in being with the other. It’s obvious that the soul of every lover longs for something else; his soul cannot say what it is, but like an oracle it has a sense of what it wants, and like an oracle it hides behind a riddle. Suppose two lovers are lying together and Hephaestus stands over them with his mending tools, asking, ‘What is it you human beings really want from each other?’ And suppose they’re perplexed, and he asks them again, ‘Is this your heart’s desire, then—for the two of you to become parts of the same whole, as near as can be, and never to separate, day or night? Because if that’s your desire, I’d like to weld you together and join you into something that is naturally whole, so that the two of you are made into one. Then the two of you would share one life, as long as you lived, because you would be one being, and by the same token, when you died, you would be one and not two in Hades, having died a single death. Look at your love, and see if this is what you desire: Wouldn’t this be all the good fortune you could want?’

“Surely you can see that no one who received such an offer would turn it down; no one would find anything else that he wanted. Instead, everyone would think he’d found out at last what he had always wanted: to come together and melt together with the one he loves, so that one person emerged from two. Why should this be so? It’s because, as I said, we used to be complete wholes in our original nature, and now ‘love’ is the name for our pursuit of wholeness, for our desire to be complete.”


Here's my take - In this context, it's like a philosophical thought experiment. The implication is there that we are separate souls, that Hephaestus wishes to make 'one out of two', or 'whole' by merging together. The last line is key; "and now 'love' is the name for our pursuit of wholeness". It confirms we aren't merged souls. Else, we wouldn't need to engage in the pursuit of love. We'd already be 'whole'.
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I sourced Plato’s actual writing -

“Love is born into every human being; it calls back the halves of our original nature together; it tries to make one out of two and heal the wound of human nature.” – Plato, Symposium.

I believe I understand what Plato is saying here: make one out of two. It’s a similar idea to the Christian “two become one flesh”. Or as The Spice Girls put it “when two become one”. None of these ideas are about splitting of souls into two, or a soul inhabiting multiple bodies. That’s a modern, new-age interpretation, as far as I can tell. 🤓
Ancient Greek concepts of love are different than today’s concepts, romantic love is closest to Eros:

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“These are the people who finish out their lives together and still cannot say what it is they want from one another. No one would think it is the intimacy of sex—that mere sex is the reason each lover takes so great and deep a joy in being with the other. It’s obvious that the soul of every lover longs for something else; his soul cannot say what it is, but like an oracle it has a sense of what it wants, and like an oracle it hides behind a riddle. Suppose two lovers are lying together and Hephaestus stands over them with his mending tools, asking, ‘What is it you human beings really want from each other?’ And suppose they’re perplexed, and he asks them again, ‘Is this your heart’s desire, then—for the two of you to become parts of the same whole, as near as can be, and never to separate, day or night? Because if that’s your desire, I’d like to weld you together and join you into something that is naturally whole, so that the two of you are made into one. Then the two of you would share one life, as long as you lived, because you would be one being, and by the same token, when you died, you would be one and not two in Hades, having died a single death. Look at your love, and see if this is what you desire: Wouldn’t this be all the good fortune you could want?’

“Surely you can see that no one who received such an offer would turn it down; no one would find anything else that he wanted. Instead, everyone would think he’d found out at last what he had always wanted: to come together and melt together with the one he loves, so that one person emerged from two. Why should this be so? It’s because, as I said, we used to be complete wholes in our original nature, and now ‘love’ is the name for our pursuit of wholeness, for our desire to be complete.”


Here's my take - In this context, it's like a philosophical thought experiment. The implication is there that we are separate souls, that Hephaestus wishes to make 'one out of two', or 'whole' by merging together. The last line is key; "and now 'love' is the name for our pursuit of wholeness". It confirms we aren't merged souls. Else, we wouldn't need to engage in the pursuit of love. We'd already be 'whole'.
This.

Aristophanes professed to open another vein of discourse; he had a mind to praise Love in another way, unlike that either of Pausanias or Eryximachus. Mankind; he said, judging by their neglect of him, have never, as I think, at all understood the power of Love. For if they had understood him they would surely have built noble temples and altars, and offered solemn sacrifices in his honour; but this is not done, and most certainly ought to be done: since of all the gods he is the best friend of men, the helper and the healer of the ills which are the great impediment to the happiness of the race. I will try to describe his power to you, and you shall teach the rest of the world what I am teaching you. In the first place, let me treat of the nature of man and what has happened to it; for the original human nature was not like the present, but different. The sexes were not two as they are now, but originally three in number; there was man, woman, and the union of the two, having a name corresponding to this double nature, which had once a real existence, but is now lost, and the word "Androgynous" is only preserved as a term of reproach. In the second place, the primeval man was round, his back and sides forming a circle; and he had four hands and four feet, one head with two faces, looking opposite ways, set on a round neck and precisely alike; also four ears, two privy members, and the remainder to correspond. He could walk upright as men now do, backwards or forwards as he pleased, and he could also roll over and over at a great pace, turning on his four hands and four feet, eight in all, like tumblers going over and over with their legs in the air; this was when he wanted to run fast. Now the sexes were three, and such as I have described them; because the sun, moon, and earth are three;-and the man was originally the child of the sun, the woman of the earth, and the man-woman of the moon, which is made up of sun and earth, and they were all round and moved round and round: like their parents. Terrible was their might and strength, and the thoughts of their hearts were great, and they made an attack upon the gods; of them is told the tale of Otys and Ephialtes who, as Homer says, dared to scale heaven, and would have laid hands upon the gods. Doubt reigned in the celestial councils. Should they kill them and annihilate the race with thunderbolts, as they had done the giants, then there would be an end of the sacrifices and worship which men offered to them; but, on the other hand, the gods could not suffer their insolence to be unrestrained.

At last, after a good deal of reflection, Zeus discovered a way. He said: "Methinks I have a plan which will humble their pride and improve their manners; men shall continue to exist, but I will cut them in two and then they will be diminished in strength and increased in numbers; this will have the advantage of making them more profitable to us. They shall walk upright on two legs, and if they continue insolent and will not be quiet, I will split them again and they shall hop about on a single leg." He spoke and cut men in two, like a sorb-apple which is halved for pickling, or as you might divide an egg with a hair; and as he cut them one after another, he bade Apollo give the face and the half of the neck a turn in order that the man might contemplate the section of himself: he would thus learn a lesson of humility. Apollo was also bidden to heal their wounds and compose their forms. So he gave a turn to the face and pulled the skin from the sides all over that which in our language is called the belly, like the purses which draw in, and he made one mouth at the centre, which he fastened in a knot (the same which is called the navel); he also moulded the breast and took out most of the wrinkles, much as a shoemaker might smooth leather upon a last; he left a few, however, in the region of the belly and navel, as a memorial of the primeval state. After the division the two parts of man, each desiring his other half, came together, and throwing their arms about one another, entwined in mutual embraces, longing to grow into one, they were on the point of dying from hunger and self-neglect, because they did not like to do anything apart; and when one of the halves died and the other survived, the survivor sought another mate, man or woman as we call them, being the sections of entire men or women, and clung to that. They were being destroyed, when Zeus in pity of them invented a new plan: he turned the parts of generation round to the front, for this had not been always their position and they sowed the seed no longer as hitherto like grasshoppers in the ground, but in one another; and after the transposition the male generated in the female in order that by the mutual embraces of man and woman they might breed, and the race might continue; or if man came to man they might be satisfied, and rest, and go their ways to the business of life: so ancient is the desire of one another which is implanted in us, reuniting our original nature, making one of two, and healing the state of man.

Each of us when separated, having one side only, like a flat fish, is but the indenture of a man, and he is always looking for his other half. Men who are a section of that double nature which was once called Androgynous are lovers of women; adulterers are generally of this breed, and also adulterous women who lust after men: the women who are a section of the woman do not care for men, but have female attachments; the female companions are of this sort. But they who are a section of the male follow the male, and while they are young, being slices of the original man, they hang about men and embrace them, and they are themselves the best of boys and youths, because they have the most manly nature. Some indeed assert that they are shameless, but this is not true; for they do not act thus from any want of shame, but because they are valiant and manly, and have a manly countenance, and they embrace that which is like them. And these when they grow up become our statesmen, and these only, which is a great proof of the truth of what I am saving. When they reach manhood they are loves of youth, and are not naturally inclined to marry or beget children,-if at all, they do so only in obedience to the law; but they are satisfied if they may be allowed to live with one another unwedded; and such a nature is prone to love and ready to return love, always embracing that which is akin to him. And when one of them meets with his other half, the actual half of himself, whether he be a lover of youth or a lover of another sort, the pair are lost in an amazement of love and friendship and intimacy, and would not be out of the other's sight, as I may say, even for a moment: these are the people who pass their whole lives together; yet they could not explain what they desire of one another. For the intense yearning which each of them has towards the other does not appear to be the desire of lover's intercourse, but of something else which the soul of either evidently desires and cannot tell, and of which she has only a dark and doubtful presentiment. Suppose Hephaestus, with his instruments, to come to the pair who are lying side, by side and to say to them, "What do you people want of one another?" they would be unable to explain. And suppose further, that when he saw their perplexity he said: "Do you desire to be wholly one; always day and night to be in one another's company? for if this is what you desire, I am ready to melt you into one and let you grow together, so that being two you shall become one, and while you live a common life as if you were a single man, and after your death in the world below still be one departed soul instead of two-I ask whether this is what you lovingly desire, and whether you are satisfied to attain this?"-there is not a man of them who when he heard the proposal would deny or would not acknowledge that this meeting and melting into one another, this becoming one instead of two, was the very expression of his ancient need. And the reason is that human nature was originally one and we were a whole, and the desire and pursuit of the whole is called love. There was a time, I say, when we were one, but now because of the wickedness of mankind God has dispersed us, as the Arcadians were dispersed into villages by the Lacedaemonians. And if we are not obedient to the gods, there is a danger that we shall be split up again and go about in basso-relievo, like the profile figures having only half a nose which are sculptured on monuments, and that we shall be like tallies.
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