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Hi all, I have a few questions regarding type 5s who don't/didn't specialize.

1) Are there any type 5s here who would describe themselves as generalists, and how does that work out for you?

2) Is there still room in this world for generalists or do you think everbody basically needs a specialty?

3) If you are a generalist, how do you profile/pitch yourself to people?
 

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I think the trouble with "generalists" is that it's taken to mean "person who knows a lot of unrelated stuff" in which case you lack synergies of knowledge. There is still room for generalists but they have to identify overlaps in their knowledge and use that to their advantage.
 

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I think the problem with type 5 is that people take the trait of "specialist" literally and think it's someone who literally specializes in one or a few subjects. Well no. I don't do that and definitely fit the definition of Jack of all trades more. What I do however, is that when one subject does interest me, I will learn and attempt to understand that subject at a level until I feel satisfied. That is a form of mastery and that level of mastery is unrelated to any external standards of mastery. It's something I decide.
 

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I think the problem with type 5 is that people take the trait of "specialist" literally and think it's someone who literally specializes in one or a few subjects. Well no. I don't do that and definitely fit the definition of Jack of all trades more. What I do however, is that when one subject does interest me, I will learn and attempt to understand that subject at a level until I feel satisfied. That is a form of mastery and that level of mastery is unrelated to any external standards of mastery. It's something I decide.
Basically this ^

I don't specialize in anything particular, I just learn about whatever my mind fancies at any given time. It can range from a field of science, to a regional history, even sports.
 

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Truth, only interested in somethings because the sake of it, non direction besides "interesting stuff is interesting to learn".
 

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I think the trouble with "generalists" is that it's taken to mean "person who knows a lot of unrelated stuff" in which case you lack synergies of knowledge. There is still room for generalists but they have to identify overlaps in their knowledge and use that to their advantage.
That.

I am a "generalist" in the sense that my thinking spans different areas - but they have overlapped in the service of meeting a conceptual goal, they all play into the depth of perspective I seek. I don't work or think aimlessly, and I don't fancy myself a jack of all trades, though I like to think I'm capable of making sense of a range of ways of thinking.
 

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That.

I am a "generalist" in the sense that my thinking spans different areas - but they have overlapped in the service of meeting a conceptual goal, they all play into the depth of perspective I seek. I don't work or think aimlessly, and I don't fancy myself a jack of all trades, though I like to think I'm capable of making sense of a range of ways of thinking.
Which interests me. Jack of all trades is not working aimlessly - it's being pretty effective at pretty much everything that come your way. Sure, someone could do it better. But that person could not handle different challenges and changes thrown at him/her over the years.

I don't see why interests have to overlap. Why can't you just have a 'toolbox'?

Sometimes you use a hammer, sometimes you use a screwdriver, depends on the job.

But it seems people like hammer people for hammer jobs and screwdriver people for screwdriver jobs instead of someone who can use the whole toolbox if needed to reach whatever objective.

Information is pretty easy to get nowadays anyway. It's more having the guts to go and get it and use it in my opinion.

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Which interests me. Jack of all trades is not working aimlessly - it's being pretty effective at pretty much everything that come your way. Sure, someone could do it better. But that person could not handle different challenges and changes thrown at him/her over the years.

I don't see why interests have to overlap. Why can't you just have a 'toolbox'?
Because I have some specific goals in life in terms of what I want to understand that have to do with more than simple capability of action.

Sometimes you use a hammer, sometimes you use a screwdriver, depends on the job.
I don't think of life in terms of jobs. I think of it in terms of my intent.

But it seems people like hammer people for hammer jobs and screwdriver people for screwdriver jobs instead of someone who can use the whole toolbox if needed to reach whatever objective.
I don't care to reach others' objectives. I have to be interested in something, to want to do it for my own sake or aims.

Information is pretty easy to get nowadays anyway. It's more having the guts to go and get it and use it in my opinion.

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I don't fill my life with information for a reason - it overwhelms me. I don't think in this outward way, where I'm going to take information and use it toward ends that I haven't considered important for myself; even though I know I am capable of doing this and appreciate that fact it isn't my central modus operandi. Instead I take in limited quantities of information, what my mind has already deemed important, reason about it toward my own ends, then use that into the world to achieve my own goals. I'm a self-sufficient system in a different way from the kind of jack-of-all-trades that you propose.
 

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Because I have some specific goals in life in terms of what I want to understand that have to do with more than simple capability of action.



I don't think of life in terms of jobs. I think of it in terms of my intent.



I don't care to reach others' objectives. I have to be interested in something, to want to do it for my own sake or aims.



I don't fill my life with information for a reason - it overwhelms me. I don't think in this outward way, where I'm going to take information and use it toward ends that I haven't considered important for myself; even though I know I am capable of doing this and appreciate that fact it isn't my central modus operandi. Instead I take in limited quantities of information, what my mind has already deemed important, reason about it toward my own ends, then use that into the world to achieve my own goals. I'm a self-sufficient system in a different way from the kind of jack-of-all-trades that you propose.
That sounds admirable. And seem like a healthy way to be an effective generalist.

Keeping a personal objective in mind, whether you approach it as a generalist or specialist.

Food for thought for sure, thanks a bunch.

Off-topic, how did you find your goals in life, if I may ask?
 

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That sounds admirable. And seem like a healthy way to be an effective generalist.

Keeping a personal objective in mind, whether you approach it as a generalist or specialist.

Food for thought for sure, thanks a bunch.

Off-topic, how did you find your goals in life, if I may ask?
I have one basic goal in the intellectual realm: to understand what makes life/existence work. From that branches the other questions: what differentiates life and non-life (beyond science's definition, I mean what substantially makes organic molecules capable of the kind of independence that defines life), what makes it possible for life to be part of existence, and so on and so forth. I have worked back from the conceptual, to the psychological, to the mental, to the more physical questions in this area and so I'll be pursuing university-level physics when I get another chance to go to school, or engage in it otherwise.

I didn't realize I had this basic goal until I later took an objective look at the course I've taken in life and saw its end/center point. I always worked before that by the branched ideas, moving from outer branches deeper in, sometimes to interlocking paths or side tangents that related back in. When you work in life without seeing your center, all you can get is the sense of drive, of purpose - that is what I had. People didn't realize that center was there in me, or see it for what it was, so my family felt (and still feels) I sold myself short, not finishing with a definite career path or pursuing something that appears solid to them. I'm only lately coming to grips with the idea that I need to make my understanding, experience and ideas into something that garners real material profit for myself, a career in one sense or other that I can use in order to subsist and reach the deeper levels of my goals.
 

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Is this one of those "I have sucha sucha trait that doesn't apply to the stereotypes attached to the type I think I am and I need to ask people who I think are sure they're of that type if they feel the same way to make sure I'm not flawed and my mom doesn't hate me" threads?
 

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I have one basic goal in the intellectual realm: to understand what makes life/existence work. From that branches the other questions: what differentiates life and non-life (beyond science's definition, I mean what substantially makes organic molecules capable of the kind of independence that defines life), what makes it possible for life to be part of existence, and so on and so forth. I have worked back from the conceptual, to the psychological, to the mental, to the more physical questions in this area and so I'll be pursuing university-level physics when I get another chance to go to school, or engage in it otherwise.

I didn't realize I had this basic goal until I later took an objective look at the course I've taken in life and saw its end/center point. I always worked before that by the branched ideas, moving from outer branches deeper in, sometimes to interlocking paths or side tangents that related back in. When you work in life without seeing your center, all you can get is the sense of drive, of purpose - that is what I had. People didn't realize that center was there in me, or see it for what it was, so my family felt (and still feels) I sold myself short, not finishing with a definite career path or pursuing something that appears solid to them. I'm only lately coming to grips with the idea that I need to make my understanding, experience and ideas into something that garners real material profit for myself, a career in one sense or other that I can use in order to subsist and reach the deeper levels of my goals.
Aw yes..... money. The paper-thin crusher of 9/10 people's dreams. As someone in the same Rowboat I wish you the best of luck.
 

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Aw yes..... money. The paper-thin crusher of 9/10 people's dreams. As someone in the same Rowboat I wish you the best of luck.
I don't have a problem with it and I'm not totally helpless in this area, I just don't market myself well and don't yet have the specialties expected to be hired for research on what makes life/existence tick or even work in more practical related fields. My job prospects at the moment are either pretty basic or off-point, nothing which makes me a ton of cash either.
 

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I don't have a problem with it and I'm not totally helpless in this area, I just don't market myself well and don't yet have the specialties expected to be hired for research on what makes life/existence tick or even work in more practical related fields. My job prospects at the moment are either pretty basic or off-point, nothing which makes me a ton of cash either.
I'm not totally helpless either, but i'm not self-sufficient. I really need money if I ever want to rent out a garage and own my own batcave, so I can do some mechanical experimentation. Right now my job prospects are also pretty basic, but I feel like if I level up my amateur programming skills, and boost my artistic abilities, I could make some serious coin come next summer.
 

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Is this one of those "I have sucha sucha trait that doesn't apply to the stereotypes attached to the type I think I am and I need to ask people who I think are sure they're of that type if they feel the same way to make sure I'm not flawed and my mom doesn't hate me" threads?
No. It's a request share experiences and maybe learn something.

I don't have a problem with it and I'm not totally helpless in this area, I just don't market myself well and don't yet have the specialties expected to be hired for research on what makes life/existence tick or even work in more practical related fields. My job prospects at the moment are either pretty basic or off-point, nothing which makes me a ton of cash either.
This is one of the main reasons I started this thread. Because I would like to hear more from type 5 generalists. How do generalists market themselves, are they succesful, do they feel accepted?

Generalist is a specialty by itself. Generalists can get things done because they have the overview and are flexible, and not 'just' know a small part of a topic that interests them really well. However, it's far harder to describe your value and goals as a generalist.

 
As an aside/background only: my career as project manager/consultant is going well and I have no money problems at all. I do very different projects and like that. I have enough time for friends/families/fun. And my mommy is proud of me :proud:
 

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This is one of the main reasons I started this thread. Because I would like to hear more from type 5 generalists. How do generalists market themselves, are they succesful, do they feel accepted?
It might have something to do with it that I have a social blindspot. I'm not good at marketing myself; I feel ridiculous even thinking about it. I don't think by contemporary standards I would be considered very successful, and I don't have a gauge on whether I'm accepted by people on the whole. Person by person, I could perhaps tell you.

I consider myself successful on my own terms, though. I know what I'm looking for in life as a fundamental, which is more meaningful than all the jobs I could have. I live in an era when I have more resources so I can study a lot on my own and rely on school mostly for its lab.

Generalist is a specialty by itself. Generalists can get things done because they have the overview and are flexible, and not 'just' know a small part of a topic that interests them really well. However, it's far harder to describe your value and goals as a generalist.
I don't even know what kind of work looks for generalists or people like me. I'm capable at thinking, understanding and figuring out how things work, can plan and strategize to achieve a goal. I do this online with friends. I do it at school. I don't have a background of paid work that proves this.

As an aside/background only: my career as project manager/consultant is going well and I have no money problems at all. I do very different projects and like that. I have enough time for friends/families/fun. And my mommy is proud of me :proud:
How did you get into that job?

I don't care specifically about friends/families/fun, I just want my time to myself on principle. Also, parents not being proud, there's family history there; it's more complicated than just my situation with work, I have a whole substance that doesn't click right with my mother and is only partly understandable to my father.
 

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No. It's a request share experiences and maybe learn something.



This is one of the main reasons I started this thread. Because I would like to hear more from type 5 generalists. How do generalists market themselves, are they succesful, do they feel accepted?

Generalist is a specialty by itself. Generalists can get things done because they have the overview and are flexible, and not 'just' know a small part of a topic that interests them really well. However, it's far harder to describe your value and goals as a generalist.

 
As an aside/background only: my career as project manager/consultant is going well and I have no money problems at all. I do very different projects and like that. I have enough time for friends/families/fun. And my mommy is proud of me :proud:
I've always been a generalist and I sell myself basically by not selling myself as a generalist, lol.
 

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I agree that until I figure out what I want to do with life and what purpose I have, the goal I really strive towards, I'll remain a "generalist" in the eyes of the public as well. I have a lot of wide-spanning interests though my goal may not thus far be as singular as Flatlander's. Currently I'm looking to fulfill a more practical area in my life which has to do with money and what happens after that we'll see. As much as I want to figure out the meaning of the world around me, I find that my search has driven me into a more esoteric nature where I started with human culture, looked into philosophy and spirituality. I wouldn't be surprised that my coming degree in system administration will just further this some way or another. I am not entirely sure there is an actual profession for me out there though, a niche I can fulfill.

I do partly feel that I wasted my time spending 2 years in a degree whose field of study I wasn't interested in in the end, but that was also a form of learning to point me in the right direction. Now I know where I don't want to go, at least.
 

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I consider myself successful on my own terms, though. I know what I'm looking for in life as a fundamental, which is more meaningful than all the jobs I could have.
That is a very healthy outlook on life. I admire intrinsically motivated people, they are inspiring.

I don't even know what kind of work looks for generalists or people like me. I'm capable at thinking, understanding and figuring out how things work, can plan and strategize to achieve a goal. I do this online with friends. I do it at school. I don't have a background of paid work that proves this.

How did you get into that job?
I was looking for a job with a lot of freedom and learning potential. Engineering was more boring than I expected. There was a young international consultancy team with a lot of different fields of expertise that was hiring. A friend and colleague thankfully pushed me enough that I got up and went for it. I already had experience related to project management, six sigma and engineering which were relevant. The rest was just the normal silly hiring ritual everyone needs to go through for a job.

I don't care specifically about friends/families/fun, I just want my time to myself on principle.
I'm also more of a loner but... I like people who get me out my safe zone now and again and make fun of me being too serious. Plus, I love sharing my thoughts so someone needs to be willing to listen :p

I've always been a generalist and I sell myself basically by not selling myself as a generalist, lol.
Exactly! Don't you think that is strange?
 

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Exactly! Don't you think that is strange?
Actually no, because as a term it is too general to say anything about competence. Being a generalist is not a competence in itself. (perhaps for your self-concept it's nice to think you know a lot of stuff, and this is not unlike 5 I think (avaricious, omniscient), but the question is if it also useful and you can apply all this knowledge)

An added value might be that you are able (creative) to integrate different disciplines and processes, which I gather is also what you do. But eventually you can focus and specialize yourself in this, and become an expert in a certain branche. For the customer most important is to feel you understand his problem and know how to solve it and if needed can translate this to the experts. So if you want to pitch yourself that's where you'd need to look, I think.
 
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