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Everyone is sensitive in their early development to one of the Holy Ideas, and this sensitivity is what leads people to develop their ego around that idea. In order to understand type 9 as a whole, then, one must recognize that the type is centered around this dynamic: sensitivity to and loss of contact with Holy Love, repression of the pain and anger caused by this loss, and the adoption of attitudes and behaviors resembling Holy Love, which the 9 hopes will fill the void, in a sense.

The type can also be understood as a set of layers within the psyche, including repressed anger and an inner resistance to being deeply affected, of which the 9 may not be aware. It is important to see that the 9 is not simply the surface attitude and behaviors, that there are deeper attitudes the 9 wishes to repress, and that these attitudes have a significant impact even if the 9 is not consciously aware of them. Self-awareness is essential to growth. The only question is this: how far down the rabbit hole do you wish to go?


I. The Rabbit Hole


Illusion of Harmony
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Acedia & Inner Deadening of Feelings
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Anger/Frustration: "Nothing is worthwhile"
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Loss of Holy Love: "Love is not real"
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Holy Love​


Illusion of Harmony

At the surface layer, 9's are looking for peace, harmony, wisdom, and happiness. They want to see value and goodness in all things and people, choosing to acknowledge their positive qualities over their negative ones. Consequentially, 9's tend to treat everyone with respect and are pleasant, agreeable, and accommodating. Because they are looking to recreate Holy Love, they may adopt philosophies around the concept of love, harmony, and noninterference ("live and let live").

But when they do this at the surface level, they are not necessarily experiencing true harmony. In reality, there is a deep inner resistance or blocking within them that prevents them from being fully present and affected. 9's have essentially created the illusion of harmony--it is not the same as Holy Love.

Acedia and Inner Deadening of Feelings

On a deeper level, 9's are far more apathetic than they may seem. They have put up walls which prevent them from being deeply affected, and have adopted an attitude of acedia (also known as accidia): having little concern for one's own position in life.

Dorothy Sayers in her commentaries to Dante’s Purgatory writes that accidia “is insidious, and assumes such Protean shapes that it is rather difficult to define.” It is not merely idleness of mind, but “that whole poisoning of the will which, beginning with indifference and an attitude of ‘I couldn’t care less’, extends to the deliberate refusal of joy and culminates in morbid introspection and despair. One form of it which appeals very strongly to some modern minds is that acquiescence in evil and error which readily disguises itself as ‘Tolerance’; another is that refusal to be moved by the contemplation of the good and beautiful which is known as ‘Disillusionment’, and sometimes as ‘knowledge of the world’.” (Naranjo)
9's do not want to be affected--to experience unpleasantness, stress, and pain. They avoid these things by mentally checking out, by not being fully present to their own lives. The attitude of "I don't care" can be a powerful one, allowing them to give up when things get stressful and difficult without feeling the loss of what they have given up on. They may lack strong preferences and opinions, preferring to see all sides of things, but really this is a manifestation of acedia. It is easier to not choose a side because the middle path is sure to avoid offending or devaluing anyone who has differing views. Acedia causes 9's to take the path of least resistance, or to ignore and block out stress so they will not be disturbed. They may put off dealing with things if it will cause them stress, and they distract themselves with nonessential things.

Type 9 is considered the least intense of all the enneagram types because their primary defense mechanism involves disengaging themselves and removing their attention from sources of pain or stress, and this may give them a calm and easygoing demeanor. But to the extent that they block out pain, they may also unknowingly become numb to positive emotions. Because of this, 9's may be prone to bouts of anhedonia: reduced capacity for pleasure.

The emotional numbing here may also be viewed as a defense mechanism to protect the ideal self image of being peaceful by repressing their "dark side", as is explained in the next two paragraphs.

Anger/Frustration: "Nothing is worthwhile"

Hidden deep within the subconscious is a well of anger and frustration at being cut off from Holy Love. If love is not real, then nothing is worthwhile. Nothing feels truly meaningful or significant. 9's are incredibly frustrated that they have been going along with life merely "pretending" to care. They have not really invested themselves in life and seem unable to feel deeply moved. They may not have been able to find anything that makes life feel truly worthwhile, yet they keep on living with the hope that someday things will be better. Someday they will wake up and everything will be magical and filled with the peace, love, and harmony they have wished for.

If hope is what drives 9's, then it makes sense that their dark side which they try to repress is disillusionment. Deep down 9's may have a side that is quite cynical and dark, rejecting the value of all things and rejecting hope because nothing ever changes. But 9's do not want to see this side of themselves because its existence is in direct opposition to the self-image they've cultivated of being peaceful, caring, and seeing the good in all things. 9's fear this side of themselves, perhaps more than anything else. They fear being loveless--that they can neither give nor receive love.

Loss of Holy Love: "Love is not real"

The source of emptiness and disillusionment, hidden very deep within the psyche, is the loss of Holy Love. At some point in childhood, 9's developed the belief that love is conditional. If they do things others like, they will receive love and approval. Love, then, is simply the consequence of surface behaviors or characteristics deemed worthy or acceptable by others. Some 9's may even have felt that their parents' love didn't mean anything because it was simply the natural consequence of their parent/child relationship. If love is conditional, then what about it is truly meaningful? This isn't the kind of love 9's had longed for. If that's all that love is, a simple action-reaction formula, then 9's feel the kind of love they idealized must not be real.

Holy Love

Within the deepest part of the 9 lies the capacity for Holy Love. 9's are so sensitive to this concept that it has formed the basis of their ego. They may have felt that Holy Love was lost, but they were not able to accept this and so they built these layers around it. The surface layer is actually a reflection of this innermost part of them, and they have shaped and cultivated it in an attempt to reconnect with Holy Love.

Holy Love is perhaps best described by Almaas:

Holy Love is not the feeling of love, nor the essential aspect of love. Holy Love is a quality of existence that makes that existence lovable. Its loveliness and lovableness is what generates in our hearts sentiments of love, appreciation, value, enjoyment, pleasure, and so on. So we are talking about the quality of lovableness of reality when it is seen without distortion, rather than through the filter of the ego. In other words, Holy Love is the fact that objective reality has an intrinsic quality of being wonderful and pleasing—it is intrinsically lovable. This is Holy Love— whatever it is that makes it lovely, enjoyable, lovable, whatever it is about it that we can’t help but appreciate. When reality is fully perceived, one cannot help but enjoy and appreciate it. One cannot but respond with awe when the Holy Truth is fully apprehended, and one cannot but be full of wonder when Holy Perfection is realized. One cannot but melt in appreciative sweetness when beholding Holy Love. Holy Love brings you the experience of love, but it is not the love itself; it is something much more comprehensive. It is a quality of reality as a whole and is very difficult to fully define. We could say that Holy Love is the intrinsic quality of the reality of Being that is nonconceptual positivity. It is pure and unalloyed blissfulness. It is the value-saturated quality of truth. It is pure goodness, the Good of Plato.
While 9's may be able to understand the concept of Holy Love and try to incorporate it into their views, they lack the energy to truly stay in touch with it. This is because their energy is going toward blocking out unpleasantness. Growth for the 9, therefore, involves getting past this habit of tuning out the unpleasant and becoming grounded and open to experiencing the fullness of life.


II. Levels of Health


Average 9's are working to maintain their sense of inner peace, but in unbalanced ways. Instead of being grounded and present, they are busy tuning out aspects of their lives they find boring, stressful, or unpleasant. Average 9's are able to meet the demands of life and of others, but they tend to do the bare minimum of what is required if it's unpleasant to them. They will be just present enough to get the task done, while the rest of their focus is off in some imaginary land as they daydream.

9's at average levels find it easy to identify with others' viewpoints--sometimes easier than developing and sticking with their own views. They may have some areas in which they have strong views and beliefs that may be unmovable, but for the most part they are rather flexible because they can see the merit in all sides and views, and because their attitude of acedia allows them to easily let go of their own personal stance and desires. This does not mean 9's will necessarily go along with what others think and want. 9's may not always know what they want, but they do know what they don't want, and they can be quite stubborn in their avoidance of those things.

The 9's security point is type 3, meaning that they may at times exhibit some characteristics of average 3's. Average 9's at their security point may become image conscious and competitive. They want to achieve and receive affirmation, and may even secretly desire to be in the spotlight. 9's normally do not like to stand out or show off, but they may do so when they feel more comfortable and secure.

The 9's stress or disintegration point is type 6. Average and unhealthy 9's will begin behaving in ways resembling a 6 at the corresponding level of health. They become anxious, doubting, reactive, and insecure. As their stress builds they may at times become paralyzed by their anxiety, putting off things that need to be done because they will upset them too much. Disintegrating 9's may complain, exhibit passive-aggressive behavior, and occasionally explode in angry outbursts.

Unhealthy 9's numb themselves to the point of being barely functional. They try to block out their stress and problems by dissociating from them, and as a result they may be especially prone to depersonalization and anhedonia. They may feel strangely disconnected from their surroundings, as if in a dream. Problems in their lives that seemed overwhelming before now seem distant and unreal, as 9's have dissociated from them. This of course makes them less able to find the energy and motivation to deal with their problems. But putting them off and ignoring them only makes their problems grow, and they find themselves having to repress more and more anxiety. As their anxiety grows, so too do their feelings of helplessness and dependency. Yet others who try to help them find it incredibly frustrating and difficult to get through to them. Unhealthy 9's have closed themselves off to anything that will upset them or stress them out. They feel they simply can't handle the pressures of life anymore.

As they deteriorate further, 9's may become completely dissociated from their lives, reduced to a hazy and disoriented existence. They may appear lost, confused, and incredibly numb and affectless. 9's at this point have a lot of problems in their lives and have retreated into a tiny corner of their existence. Whatever peace they cling to is very fragile, and they may occasionally erupt in angry, destructive outbursts. Paranoia and delusions may also be present in unhealthy, disintegrating 9's.

Severely unhealthy 9's, like any type, are capable of committing heinous acts with little concern for the consequences of their actions. They may be so numb and so dissociated from themselves and what they have done that they are simply not able to realize the severity of their actions or to take responsibility. 9's with an 8 wing may follow their impulses as they arise without considering the consequences, and 9's with a 1 wing may rigidly follow rules and orders without seeing the damage they are causing.

Healthy 9's, more than any other type, embody peace, harmony, and serenity. They are deeply receptive and accepting, but also realistically so. They are self-assured and independent, empowered and capable of enduring any hardship without giving in to the wish to fall asleep to their lives.

Healthy 9's are incredibly grounded and peaceful. They are self-possessed and in touch with their vitality. They are fully present to all their experiences and no longer wish to avoid pain and stress. As a consequence, they are now able to experience the fullness of themselves, their lives, and their emotions. They are very gentle and harmonious, but no longer feel the need to idealize others. They are able to see others realistically, and thus are more present and connected than ever before.


III. Reflection


If type 9 could be summed up in one line, it could perhaps be called "the type that keeps moving toward the light even when they've already given up on the inside." 9's move toward peace, harmony, and happiness, even when ironically they have taken an attitude of acedia or indolence, of not caring and not wanting to be affected. Somehow, peace and love have been warped into "I don't mind," and pain and stress are avoided at all costs. The original ideal may have been peace, harmony, and happiness, but they have shifted their focus so much into avoidance of the opposite that they are not able to reach those things. Even if they could find happiness, they may have internally withdrawn themselves so much from the unpleasantness they had to get through that they can no longer be present to happiness when they finally reach it. Fortunately for 9's, that same inner resistance that keeps them from being fully present and experiencing the happiness they long for can also keep them from being affected by that loss. Like every type, 9's become prisoners to their own ego defenses.
 

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I actually think this is one of the best descriptions of a 9 I have ever read.

Also, thank you for bringing up cynicism. I do have a cynical side, and many other 9s on this site have identified with that, but it is something I have never seen in any description before.
 

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I really like what you've done here. In particular the rabbit hole, where you've got how 9s seem on the outside, how they feel on the inside, and deeper and deeper what underlies that.

Still not sure of the proper way to get this passed, but I seriously think this deserves a sticky. It's well-organized, covers the spectrum of 9 manifestations, and avoids many of the misconceptions often associated with 9s.
 

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I actually think this is one of the best descriptions of a 9 I have ever read.
Very much agree.

I really like what you've done here. In particular the rabbit hole, where you've got how 9s seem on the outside, how they feel on the inside, and deeper and deeper what underlies that.

Still not sure of the proper way to get this passed, but I seriously think this deserves a sticky. It's well-organized, covers the spectrum of 9 manifestations, and avoids many of the misconceptions often associated with 9s.
And that.

Can we pm one of the mods of this forum?
@timeless, @Scruffy, @Dear Sigmund

Can this thread be stickied please.
 

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This probably hits closer to home than the last post I read about the real focus of 9. Every single bit of this describes what my main qualm with life has been from childhood and even up until now. All of the turbulence and gradual deadening and such that pretty much characterized late childhood and early adolescence for me makes more sense in retrospect. And this post pretty much serves as a reminder that I am far from being considered internally healthy or well and have a long way to go. @Silveresque, thank you for this post.
 

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It's actually quite eye-opening to read this. I mean, you just described me and my inner conflict better than I could even understand it myself. Thank you (as everyone else has already said) for posting this.
 

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The attitude of "I don't care" can be a powerful one, allowing them to give up when things get stressful and difficult without feeling the loss of what they have given up on.
This really struck me. So many times I've given up on things that are deeply important to me, and I move on and forget about them...and then later I realize what those things would have meant to me had I persevered, and I'm astonished at how I could have let them go to begin with and how, instead of being devastated by their loss, I had no more reaction than "oh well".

That word, "loss", is what really caught my attention, and it's really making me take a hard look at where I'm at now.

So...thank you for posting this, Silveresque.
 

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Loss of Holy Love: "Love is not real"

The source of emptiness and disillusionment, hidden very deep within the psyche, is the loss of Holy Love. At some point in childhood, 9's developed the belief that love is conditional. If they do things others like, they will receive love and approval. Love, then, is simply the consequence of surface behaviors or characteristics deemed worthy or acceptable by others. Some 9's may even have felt that their parents' love didn't mean anything because it was simply the natural consequence of their parent/child relationship. If love is conditional, then what about it is truly meaningful? This isn't the kind of love 9's had longed for. If that's all that love is, a simple action-reaction formula, then 9's feel the kind of love they idealized must not be real.
Reading this was very painful.. and it resonates with me deeply. Thank you for sharing, this is a wonderful thread. It also helped me find my gut fix (finally!) :proud:
 

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You did an amazing work on this, seriously.
Although I was already aware of what you wrote, I can't stop but shedding tears and feeling really strucked every time I read about the inner conflicts of the 9 - especially when it is so well written. This again fits to the aspect of blocking out the problems, being unaware of what is going on inside you, I guess.

So, knowing all this, how can we 9's try to better ourselves? It seems to be all about unawareness, drifting off, blocking out, however you like it. Being present to that circumstance in your daily-life, however, can be quite painful. It is really hard to focus, to stay focused. And if you can't, it will leave you simply feeling more empty and incomplete, make you feel as if you do not really have a 'deep' personality or thoughts and feelings that are worth being shared. At least that is how I experience it. Of course we can probably not get around the pain that is connected with growth, but for me it feels like I am trapped with this. I seem to be unable to move on, to even focus on my growth while the negative feelings that developed with it stay. I hope that makes sense and that i didn't get the concept wrong.:b
Has anyone experienced the same?
 

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Being present to that circumstance in your daily-life, however, can be quite painful. It is really hard to focus, to stay focused. And if you can't, it will leave you simply feeling more empty and incomplete, make you feel as if you do not really have a 'deep' personality or thoughts and feelings that are worth being shared. At least that is how I experience it. Of course we can probably not get around the pain that is connected with growth, but for me it feels like I am trapped with this. I seem to be unable to move on, to even focus on my growth while the negative feelings that developed with it stay. I hope that makes sense and that i didn't get the concept wrong.:b
Has anyone experienced the same?
Well, I've experienced a tension between wanting to grow and wanting to shut down. I often feel like I'm just opening myself up to more pain when I strive to be present. Personally that leaves me questioning which way is really up and which is really down, so I just focus on doing what I want, and being honest with myself that it's really what I want. Sometimes I want to block out the world, and sometimes I want to be present to it. It just depends on where I'm at, I guess.
 
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