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1) What aspect of your personality made you unsure of your type?
I am unsure about my T, F, J, P preference and is also hard for me to put the cognitive functions in my perception of my personality.

2) What do you yearn for in life? Why?
I yearn for peace of mind. A well balanced life without pressure, here I can stay with what I like, without conflicts against other people and myself included, because life, for me, is based on what I am feeling, and I am very sensitive about bad emotions, so I try to regulate them frequently.

3) Think about a time where you felt like you were at your finest. Tell us what made you feel that way.
Around 2012~2015 I was in my best time. I spent It studying what I liked and was immersed in my plans and hobbies. I had fun frequently and was accomplishing my objectives that was learn japanese and working with translation at some point in the future. I think that what made me feel that way was the peace of mind, life was more about positive emotions than bad ones and I felt perfectly pleased with my life in general.

4) What makes you feel inferior?
Socialization is my worst problem, I constantly feel inferior to other people while in groups or around people who are good at this area. Other thing is about my intelligence, if I do something dumb, I feel very bad. Other case is when I feel irresponsible. Other is about making the chores, like tidy up the house(I am very lazy), and my family don't have problems in this area.

5) What tends to weigh on your decisions? (Do you think about people, pro-cons, how you feel about it, etc.)
How I feel about it. If I like it or not. If it will affect other people, more about the opinions that they will have about me and if I will have to confront them.

6) When working on a project what is normally your emphasis? Do you like to have control of the outcome?
I like to do what I can to help, giving ideas, alternatives and doing what the group need. I don't like to have control, I am very cooperative and I like to make the group feel good about the plan and objectives.

7) Describe us a time where you had a lot of fun. How is your memory of it?
When I was reading books all the time to learn new languages in 2012~2015. My memory is very bad about that moment, but I can say that I didn't worry about anything. That was the best.

8) When you want to learn something new, what feels more natural for you? (Are you more prone to be hands on, to theorize, to memorize, etc)
Naturally I go read about it, if I liked, I will read more and go to create a plan to me specialize in it. So, after this, I will go memorize or practice it.

9) How organized do you to think of yourself as?
I am a habit person, so everything is in the right place(for me), but I really hate to deal with details. My table is organized, also is my clothes and belongs. I have a fixed time to do everything in my day, but I do it naturally, I do not force my habits on other people too.

10) How do you judge new ideas? You try to understand the principles behind it to see if they make sense or do you look for information that supports it?
I try to understand the principles behind it, if they don't have logic, I reject them. I tend to look for information that support them after that.

11) You find harmony by making sure everyone is doing fine and belonging to a given group or by making sure that you follow what you believe and being yourself?
I think the answer is knowing that everyone is doing fine and belonging to the group.

12) Are you the kind that thinks before speaking or do you speak before thinking? Do you prefer one-on-one communication or group discussions?
I think before speaking. I prefer one-on-one communication.

13) Do you jump into action right away or do you like to know where are you jumping before leaping? Does action speaks more than words?
I like to know what I am jumping before leaping. I think that words and actions have the same value, because when something was said(if the person was being true), the person really thought about doing it, but something happened and the person gave up or forgot to do it.

14) It's Saturday. You're at home, and your favorite show is about to start. Your friends call you for a night out. What will you do?
I will go with them out of fear of hurt them.

15) How do you act when you're stressed out?
I rarely get stressed, but when I am I try to isolate myself and stop talking with other people. I tend to hear music to relax myself. I also think frequently about the situation to solve the problem(if possible).

16) What makes you dislike the personalities of some people?
Their lack of tact and decency, apart from that I am very tolerant about other people personalities and flaws.

17) Is there anything you really like talking about with other people?
Philosophy, psychology, physics, astronomy, games and animes.

18) What kind of things do pay the least attention to in your life.
My health and my relationships with other people.

19) How do your friends perceive you? What is wrong about their perception? ? What would your friends never say about your personality ?
They say that I am a good person and that I am smart, but I don't believe too much in this opinion. Now, about bad things, They say I am very lazy, that I talk too little and I am a little neurotic.They would never say that I have a strong(assertive) personality.

20) You got a whole day to do whatever you like. What kind of activities do you feel like doing?
Reading, studying and playing games.

If you want more information, I will give with pleasure :)
 

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I’ve never tried to type anyone online especially from their own description but I always do it with my friend and sister with people we meet and people on TV ... I think I get ISFJ from your post? ... might be wrong but just trying to help 🙂 what do you get when you take the tests
 

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Normally I get INFP, INFJ and INTJ. I always stay in the middle in the J, P, F and T preference.
 

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Seems like either INFJ or ISFJ for me. I’m not very good at figuring out people’s S and N, but overall it made me feel that you’re probably one of these two. Tho I more thinking you’re INFJ. Why do your friends think you’re lazy? Do you have any specific example?
 

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I believe It have something to do with details. I don't wipe or do things completely. I really hate to deal with details, like when drawing for example, I like to do sketches, but I hate the rest. A more simple example is when I sweep the floor. I only sweep in the middle of the room and not do a through job in this area. So people perceive this in me and call me lazy.
 

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You didn't reply properly to question 11, could you reply to it please ? Thanks !

It seems there is Ne, Si, I would have gone with INFP but your reply about question 11 could clear a bit the Fe/Fi.
 

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The F preference seems very clear in your post. You prioritize harmony and are very mindful of not hurting other people's feelings.

The rule of thumb seems to be that if you're a J, you know it, and if you have to ask, you're probably a P. But you say you like to plan before doing, and that you're a creature of habit and like things to be organized in a certain way, which is perhaps more of a J thing. Just to make sure - do you feel like schedules and planning are a necessary evil to achieve what you want to do, or an enjoyable part of planning, enabling you to be in control of what's going to happen?
 

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You didn't reply properly to question 11, could you reply to it please ? Thanks !

It seems there is Ne, Si, I would have gone with INFP but your reply about question 11 could clear a bit the Fe/Fi.

Oh yeah, I didn't reply properly, thanks for letting me know. I think the answer is knowing that everyone is doing fine and belonging to the group.
 

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The F preference seems very clear in your post. You prioritize harmony and are very mindful of not hurting other people's feelings.

The rule of thumb seems to be that if you're a J, you know it, and if you have to ask, you're probably a P. But you say you like to plan before doing, and that you're a creature of habit and like things to be organized in a certain way, which is perhaps more of a J thing. Just to make sure - do you feel like schedules and planning are a necessary evil to achieve what you want to do, or an enjoyable part of planning, enabling you to be in control of what's going to happen?
Sorry for the double posting. My doubt about being a J is mainly because of my laziness. I feel that planning is really a necessary evil to achieve my objectives. Scheduling is very natural to me, I do it unconsciously most of the time. But I am not rigid, like a ESXJ. I accept surprises and can change my plans at any give moment. So I don't have sure about being a J. But, after I have filled the questionnaire, I felt that I can really be a J. Thanks for helping
 

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Oh yeah, I didn't reply properly, thanks for letting me know. I think the answer is knowing that everyone is doing fine and belonging to the group.
You're welcome and thanks !
Hmmm, xxFP is the most I would confirm. Overall INFP still is what I end up to, but your reply to Q11 bug me a bit. Could you elaborate on the reasons for choosing this reply ?
Thanks.
 

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I'm certainly no pro. I would suggest learning the functions and their poles which is fundamental to the theory. I will try.

By your own admission, you've said that you're not sure about the T/F or J/P preference. What did you settle on for I/E or especially S/N?

Personally I'm thinking IxFJ. There seems to be strong Fe, but it's not too much stronger than Ti because of the desire for things to "make sense" or be "logical." Then it's about determining if the Ni/Se is really out of whack or Si/Ne. I find this distinction hard with internally focused primary/first functions because the externally facing one is inferior. Usually this is figured out by a "I don't see this, therefore it's that" type process of elimination.

I hate to try and define functions because they mean different things to all of us which is part of the problem with Cognitive Theory, MBTI and it's ilk. "Ne" may be defined by psychological freedom where objects are symbols rather than what they physically are in our space which would be "Se". Ne may be time-malleable while Se is in the present. As far as Si or Ni, I've happened across descriptions that Ni is low-res/low-fi memory while Si is high-def memory. Ni narrows outcomes where Si is the lasting impression of an outcome or event.

Realistically what type you are, or any of us might be is moot if the goal is self-actualization and harmonious interpersonal relationships. Even being mistyped can help us discover more about ourselves and the people around us.
 

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You're welcome and thanks !
Hmmm, xxFP is the most I would confirm. Overall INFP still is what I end up to, but your reply to Q11 bug me a bit. Could you elaborate on the reasons for choosing this reply ?
Thanks.
I think it can be due my anxiety. It is hard to be myself and do what I believe because I have fear of confrontation, I believe this can lead me to have Fe attitudes when I am with other people, but I also care about other people emotions, if they are happy in the group... I think this is normal at some point. But while writhing this I felt that fall perfectly in the EII description in Socionics, that is the INFP in mbti.

I'm certainly no pro. I would suggest learning the functions and their poles which is fundamental to the theory. I will try.

By your own admission, you've said that you're not sure about the T/F or J/P preference. What did you settle on for I/E or especially S/N?

Personally I'm thinking IxFJ. There seems to be strong Fe, but it's not too much stronger than Ti because of the desire for things to "make sense" or be "logical." Then it's about determining if the Ni/Se is really out of whack or Si/Ne. I find this distinction hard with internally focused primary/first functions because the externally facing one is inferior. Usually this is figured out by a "I don't see this, therefore it's that" type process of elimination.

I hate to try and define functions because they mean different things to all of us which is part of the problem with Cognitive Theory, MBTI and it's ilk. "Ne" may be defined by psychological freedom where objects are symbols rather than what they physically are in our space which would be "Se". Ne may be time-malleable while Se is in the present. As far as Si or Ni, I've happened across descriptions that Ni is low-res/low-fi memory while Si is high-def memory. Ni narrows outcomes where Si is the lasting impression of an outcome or event.

Realistically what type you are, or any of us might be is moot if the goal is self-actualization and harmonious interpersonal relationships. Even being mistyped can help us discover more about ourselves and the people around us.
Oh yeah, I understand your vision about the cognitive functions. I think that they make sense at certain point, but I, personally, don't believe in the traditional stacking. I think that following only the four letters dichotomy makes more sense and is more reliable. About I/E and S/N, I am , for sure, introverted. I think that I am N because of my tests results.
 

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I think it can be due my anxiety. It is hard to be myself and do what I believe because I have fear of confrontation, I believe this can lead me to have Fe attitudes when I am with other people, but I also care about other people emotions, if they are happy in the group... I think this is normal at some point. But while writhing this I felt that fall perfectly in the EII description in Socionics, that is the INFP in mbti.



Oh yeah, I understand your vision about the cognitive functions. I think that they make sense at certain point, but I, personally, don't believe in the traditional stacking. I think that following only the four letters dichotomy makes more sense and is more reliable. About I/E and S/N, I am , for sure, introverted. I think that I am N because of my tests results.
To make INFP work it would be that you personally value having no emotional/subjective affect on the group as a way to maintain sense of self. I don't know anything about Socionics. It seems social anxiety was being read as Fe in this thread.

I agree that traditional stacking doesn't work in application... and so do a lot of other people if we're doing different models of the same functions or are people getting behind those who have come up with other ways of stacking functions.
 

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To make INFP work it would be that you personally value having no emotional/subjective affect on the group as a way to maintain sense of self. I don't know anything about Socionics. It seems social anxiety was being read as Fe in this thread.

I agree that traditional stacking doesn't work in application... and so do a lot of other people if we're doing different models of the same functions or are people getting behind those who have come up with other ways of stacking functions.
Thanks for the help. I think that it is better to forget about the cognitive functions in my case and just accept that I am ambivalent in the F/T and J/P preferences, makes much more sense and is open for more complexity in my sense of personality. Like, I just did a test and I got 50% of preference for P and 50% for J, and I really feel that this result is correct. I also got 55% for F and 45% fo T. And you are correct, I believe that my anxiety really makes me have Fe tendencies, but I think that if I didn't have the anxiety, I would express more Fe in the majority of the situations, so I am unsure if I value Fi.
 

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Anxiety, if of specific occurrence, can indeed muddle the functions expression. So what seems inclination for Feeling in extraverted direction could instead be a very specific display, out of temporary necessity.
Though if part of long term display (since early childhood to adulthood) I would said it is a function being part of the type you are.

In the end you are the one best placed to pinpoint your natural inclinations on used cognitive functions, and which model to use for typing yourself.

Again, good luck in your typing search !
 

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My first guess was INFJ. Just like others I was more confident in typing you as F than as N. Friends say that you are smart and you are apparently able to make desicions that are logical and rational. But it is important for you not to push others and make sure that they are ok with your decisions. Belonging, inclusion and group harmony is one of your most important values, is there something you value even more? You claim that you felt at your finest when studying. Is there any particular moment when you felt extremely well, because of belonging/inclusion? Maybe you wish to experience moments of high intensity related to belonging, maybe you just want to avoid lows.

As for J/P, this one is tough, because society pushes us towards J. So far scheduling gives more weight to J, because you do it voluntarily.
 
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