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This is just a quick little post I've been tossing around in my head. Nothing terribly deep, just a fun little idea I had, and hopefully it can be insightful.

Sensation Dominance - Earth

Sensors are pragmatic and grounded types, and more often than not, the term "earthy" is used to describe their personalities. They are often very physical people, and they like to stay grounded in their perceptions that they are consciously aware of. They tend to stay on the beaten path, and I've always sort of correlated them with the phrase "if it ain't broke don't fix it."

  • ISxJs - steadfast and resolute, they exemplify quiet diligence. I correlate them with earth because of this tendency. They resist change and stand firm, even against tight odds. I'm also reminded of the image of a diligent farmer, getting up every morning before the crack of dawn to milk the cows and tend to various odd jobs before the day truly begins. Steadfast is perhaps their best description, a term befitting of the mountains and rocks.
  • ESxPs - this may be a bit of an odd choice, but bear with me. I think about their relationship to earth in terms of their physicality. They are visceral people and delight in experience. In many ways, they are also quite like the spring: energetic and with an uncanny joie de vivre. The same could be said of ENxPs, but ESxPs take earth because of their physicality and sensory nature.

Intuition Dominance - Air

Compared to sensors, intuitives are a flighty bunch. Rather than deal with what they are consciously aware of think in terms of what they already know, intuition is a trailblazing function, taking in our unconscious perceptions and rolling with those. They may use sensation as a springboard, but in the end, intuition is always trying to take flight towards something greater.

  • INxJs - these types remind me most of the Air Nomads from Avatar: The Last Airbender. They can be detached and somewhat aloof, but they almost universally (of course, here 'universally' means about 12 people :p) seem to be on some sort of quest for enlightenment. But beyond that, INxJs have a dreamy relaxation about them, perhaps a sort of floatiness that evokes in me an image of drifting above the clouds, searching for answers.
  • ENxPs - perhaps the more obvious choice for air, ENxPs are certainly flighty and excitable people. They have the fickle energy that is often associated with wind: excited to move in many directions, but they just as easily change course when a new possibility arises. They can breeze over entire stretches of land without batting an eye, and they rarely stay in one place, given the choice.

Thinking Dominance - Fire

Thinkers are a pragmatic bunch. Their dominant function lends them a certain intensity that for some reason gives me a vibe of crackling flames (especially ExTJs). They are efficient and logical people, and they try to not be preoccupied with things like overt emotion, although often their emotions can fuel their intellectual interests. They prefer to be impersonal and try to solve their problems in such a manner.

  • IxTPs - this is perhaps the categorization I'm least comfortable with on this list, but I think it works. I imagine their thinking as a candle flame: isolated and intense. It burns rather incessantly (especially on trick candles), and can be intensely focused on its goal. They can be impersonal and objective, but at the same time they often harbor deep passions for the things they find interesting.
  • ExTJs - and ironically this might be the most obvious choice on this list: ExTJs can be like a wildfire, commanding and strong-willed, they are very capable of burning though things that stand in their way (and are probably even fueled by said burning). They are fiercely pragmatic, and they don't bother with things they find useless. Likewise, a fire goes where it can burn, and nowhere else.

Feeling Dominance - Water

This seems to be the most common element/type correlation, probably because its the most intuitive. Water is associated with healing and life, and anyone who has been in the company of a healthy feeler certainly knows how rejuvenating their presence can be. They are compassionate, caring individuals, and they always seem to try and bring about the best in others.

  • IxFPs - "still waters run deep" is the term Jung used, and that is certainly true for them. They are characterized by a great depth of feeling, and they are probably the most in tune with their emotions of all the types.* I imagine these types as a quiet pool in a forest, calm on the surface, but deep and nuanced beneath. They strive to bring out the best in other people and encourage authenticity.
  • ExFJs - these are the types I would compare to a rushing river, and anyone who has a strong Fe-type in their circle can probably understand why. Since water symbolizes the healing and compassionate nature of feeling, then ExFJs are a veritable fire hose of that. They surge along, always seeming to be aware of others around them, reacting to emotions and infecting others with their own cheeriness.

*I say this knowing that most IxFxs are fairly emotional people, but I've noticed a certain understanding among IxFPs that IxFJs just don't seem to share. Fi depth vs. Fe breadth, I suppose.

Anyway, this was just for fun--don't take it too seriously. Comments/criticisms welcome!
 

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I've always thought of intuition as "electricity" and sensation as "groundedness", in the way they help to balance each other out.

I wouldn't characterise thinking as fiery, though. When I think fire, I think Se - volition, power & direct impact. If anything, thinking is cold.
 

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Interesting post, I can understand your reasoning but I would switch the Thinking and Feeling elements, based on how I perceive it. I associate Thinking with coldness as well - especially when compared to feeling - so I see it more as Ice. Fire seems to make more sense with feeling. I always thought of introverted feelers as having an internal warmth, which seems appropriate with Jung's quote too despite "waters" is the word used.
 

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I've always thought of intuition as "electricity" and sensation as "groundedness", in the way they help to balance each other out.
Yeah, that's what I was trying to get at, S and N balancing out. Why electricity, though?

I wouldn't characterise thinking as fiery, though. When I think fire, I think Se - volition, power & direct impact. If anything, thinking is cold.
The idea I had in mind there was mostly of ExTJs are their domineering sort of personality. Reminds me a lot of a fire for some reason. Although I will say that the Thinking = Fire is the weakest aspect of this idea. The problem is that within the framework of the classical elements, I sort of ran out of options after I already had the other three assigned.

ESFPs and ISFPs should be fire.
ESFP I can see. But ISFP? I'm interested to hear your reasoning.

Interesting post, I can understand your reasoning but I would switch the Thinking and Feeling elements, based on how I perceive it. I associate Thinking with coldness as well - especially when compared to feeling - so I see it more as Ice. Fire seems to make more sense with feeling. I always thought of introverted feelers as having an internal warmth, which seems appropriate with Jung's quote too despite "waters" is the word used.
Hm. I guess I have a really hard time seeing feeling as fire. The warmth I can understand, but part of my frame for thinking was to illustrate both extremes of the element, and I have a hard time imaging ExFJs as a dangerous, all-consuming blaze. I suppose it could work, but it seems much better suited to thinkers, even though they are cold.
 

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ISFPs have same cognitive functions as ESFPs. ISFPs are like undiscovered fire.
Ah, but wouldn't Fi, under the direction of a dominant Se, manifest much differently than auxiliary Se under the direction of Fi? That's why I went by dominant function that the function order itself. By that logic, INTJs and ENTJs should also be fire.

This guy is ISFP
Zuko? He never struck me as Fi-dom. Or a sensor for that matter. His duality with Aang is what really seemed to define both of their characters. That relationship in of itself makes me want to call Zuko INTJ and Aang an xNFJ (leaning towards introvert. I get why people see the E, but usually it's just because he's excitable and likes people, and I really don't see much to indicate that he has strong outward orientation).
 

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Ah, but wouldn't Fi, under the direction of a dominant Se, manifest much differently than auxiliary Se under the direction of Fi? That's why I went by dominant function that the function order itself. By that logic, INTJs and ENTJs should also be fire.



Zuko? He never struck me as Fi-dom. Or a sensor for that matter. His duality with Aang is what really seemed to define both of their characters. That relationship in of itself makes me want to call Zuko INTJ and Aang an xNFJ (leaning towards introvert. I get why people see the E, but usually it's just because he's excitable and likes people, and I really don't see much to indicate that he has strong outward orientation).
Not the best example (Zuko was unhealthy)(I still believe, that he is ISFP, here is explanation http://fictionalcharactermbti.tumblr.com/post/120167790579/zuko-isfp-avatar-the-last-airbender), but feelings are fire to me. They are warm or hot. Fi doms should be fire. Si, Ti and Te doms should be earth, because they are calm and cold. Ne and Ni doms should be air, because they are always on drugs or something and all I can see is wind their heads. Se doms and Fe doms should be water, because they only show teir aux, tert and inferior functions, they are chammelions and water can be any shape.
 

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Not the best example (Zuko was unhealthy)(I still believe, that he is ISFP, here is explanation Fictional Character MBTI - Zuko: ISFP [Avatar: The Last Airbender]),
I suppose I can see that. Honestly, when I watched the show, I focused more on typing the the main four (who I want to say are xNFJ for Aang, ExFJ for Katara, xNTP for Sokka, and ESTP for Toph). I'll guess I'll just have to rewatch the series...oh darn. :)

but feelings are fire to me. They are warm or hot. Fi doms should be fire.
Yeah, I can see what you mean. I wasn't really thinking about fire = warm and water = cold (although I guess that was a pretty large oversight). Or maybe I'm just too detached from my own emotions. :p If I did say F = fire, though, I'd probably put both Fe and Fi in that same place, since they're the same function just channeled in different ways.

Si, Ti and Te doms should be earth, because they are calm and cold. Ne and Ni doms should be air, because they are always on drugs or something and all I can see is wind their heads. Se doms and Fe doms should be water, because they only show teir aux, tert and inferior functions, they are chammelions and water can be any shape.
Interesting thoughts. I like symmetry, though.
 

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Yes! Elements are back! This is a very good way to grasp the functions, and I like the way you categorized them based on the dominant function. Water and air in particular are spot on! Thinking associated with fire seemed odd at first, since I tend to agree with @VagrantFarce it ought to be Se, really... All that untamed willpower brings into my mind.

Fire is a good servant but a bad master -- for example, would this aspect serve its purpose to a describe an ExTJ? I think not. But I suppose this might be due to differences in defining Te dominant.

Then again, I do think that a kindled flame fits Ti really well! I do see them carrying bright little beacons where ever they are, lighting any unknown and unventured regions.
 
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It's extremely subjective because thinking is typically associated with ice, as it is very cool, calm and collected. In most cognitive functions graphs thinking is indeed blue.

Feeling is usually associated with red (or fire) as it is passionate and unpredictable.

But then red is also associated with aggressive behavior, which in MBTI is associated with Te dominant types (ExTJs). Curiously enough, the same doesn't go with introverted thinking types (Ti or IxTPs)

So bottom line is that's in the eye of the beholder. However NTs being associated with air and SJs being associated with earth totally works.
 

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I always associated INFPs with water, but that was before I found out I was one, so I guess I'd want my element to be something less lame and more cool like blood.
 

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I always associated INFPs with water, but that was before I found out I was one, so I guess I'd want my element to be something less lame and more cool like blood.
But in Avatar the Last Airbender....

 
... really pro water benders learn how to blood bend which is badass as fuck
 
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Thats some interesting stuff!!

I always considered myself as a "Water" person since I can switch from quiet pond to raging sea-storm.. But now that you've connected the ExFP's (Which I am apart of (ENFP)) with air it makes so much sense :)

Thanks a lot for sharing :)

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This is just a quick little post I've been tossing around in my head. Nothing terribly deep, just a fun little idea I had, and hopefully it can be insightful.

Sensation Dominance - Earth

Sensors are pragmatic and grounded types, and more often than not, the term "earthy" is used to describe their personalities. They are often very physical people, and they like to stay grounded in their perceptions that they are consciously aware of. They tend to stay on the beaten path, and I've always sort of correlated them with the phrase "if it ain't broke don't fix it."

  • ISxJs - steadfast and resolute, they exemplify quiet diligence. I correlate them with earth because of this tendency. They resist change and stand firm, even against tight odds. I'm also reminded of the image of a diligent farmer, getting up every morning before the crack of dawn to milk the cows and tend to various odd jobs before the day truly begins. Steadfast is perhaps their best description, a term befitting of the mountains and rocks.
  • ESxPs - this may be a bit of an odd choice, but bear with me. I think about their relationship to earth in terms of their physicality. They are visceral people and delight in experience. In many ways, they are also quite like the spring: energetic and with an uncanny joie de vivre. The same could be said of ENxPs, but ESxPs take earth because of their physicality and sensory nature.

Intuition Dominance - Air

Compared to sensors, intuitives are a flighty bunch. Rather than deal with what they are consciously aware of think in terms of what they already know, intuition is a trailblazing function, taking in our unconscious perceptions and rolling with those. They may use sensation as a springboard, but in the end, intuition is always trying to take flight towards something greater.

  • INxJs - these types remind me most of the Air Nomads from Avatar: The Last Airbender. They can be detached and somewhat aloof, but they almost universally (of course, here 'universally' means about 12 people :p) seem to be on some sort of quest for enlightenment. But beyond that, INxJs have a dreamy relaxation about them, perhaps a sort of floatiness that evokes in me an image of drifting above the clouds, searching for answers.
  • ENxPs - perhaps the more obvious choice for air, ENxPs are certainly flighty and excitable people. They have the fickle energy that is often associated with wind: excited to move in many directions, but they just as easily change course when a new possibility arises. They can breeze over entire stretches of land without batting an eye, and they rarely stay in one place, given the choice.

Thinking Dominance - Fire

Thinkers are a pragmatic bunch. Their dominant function lends them a certain intensity that for some reason gives me a vibe of crackling flames (especially ExTJs). They are efficient and logical people, and they try to not be preoccupied with things like overt emotion, although often their emotions can fuel their intellectual interests. They prefer to be impersonal and try to solve their problems in such a manner.

  • IxTPs - this is perhaps the categorization I'm least comfortable with on this list, but I think it works. I imagine their thinking as a candle flame: isolated and intense. It burns rather incessantly (especially on trick candles), and can be intensely focused on its goal. They can be impersonal and objective, but at the same time they often harbor deep passions for the things they find interesting.
  • ExTJs - and ironically this might be the most obvious choice on this list: ExTJs can be like a wildfire, commanding and strong-willed, they are very capable of burning though things that stand in their way (and are probably even fueled by said burning). They are fiercely pragmatic, and they don't bother with things they find useless. Likewise, a fire goes where it can burn, and nowhere else.

Feeling Dominance - Water

This seems to be the most common element/type correlation, probably because its the most intuitive. Water is associated with healing and life, and anyone who has been in the company of a healthy feeler certainly knows how rejuvenating their presence can be. They are compassionate, caring individuals, and they always seem to try and bring about the best in others.

  • IxFPs - "still waters run deep" is the term Jung used, and that is certainly true for them. They are characterized by a great depth of feeling, and they are probably the most in tune with their emotions of all the types.* I imagine these types as a quiet pool in a forest, calm on the surface, but deep and nuanced beneath. They strive to bring out the best in other people and encourage authenticity.
  • ExFJs - these are the types I would compare to a rushing river, and anyone who has a strong Fe-type in their circle can probably understand why. Since water symbolizes the healing and compassionate nature of feeling, then ExFJs are a veritable fire hose of that. They surge along, always seeming to be aware of others around them, reacting to emotions and infecting others with their own cheeriness.

*I say this knowing that most IxFxs are fairly emotional people, but I've noticed a certain understanding among IxFPs that IxFJs just don't seem to share. Fi depth vs. Fe breadth, I suppose.

Anyway, this was just for fun--don't take it too seriously. Comments/criticisms welcome!
Creepy, I've been thinking the exact same thing the last 2 days (maybe it has to do with the fact I've started watching avatar Korra XD ). I wasn't that sure about T and F, because feelings can be compared to a passionate flame, but they are also changing so much just like water. But I get your reasoning. Nice analysis :)
 

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Creepy, I've been thinking the exact same thing the last 2 days (maybe it has to do with the fact I've started watching avatar Korra XD ). I wasn't that sure about T and F, because feelings can be compared to a passionate flame, but they are also changing so much just like water. But I get your reasoning. Nice analysis :)
Yeah, I'm getting the impression that F and T is much more up in the air, depending on how you look at it. I've just always associated feeling with water for some reason.
 

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I actually would switch fire and water.
Water is fluid and cohesive, can contain purity or impurity (bias or false logic), can be found in rivers (trains of thought), oceans (depths of thinking or precipitation (brainstorming). It adapts to it's surroundings and even adopts new forms based on external conditions (data input) and is completely neutral in colour, scent, ph and flavour.

Fire is usually destructive unless harnessed in a constructive manner, just like emotion. It's something that is often guarded deep within the individual (planetary core), can't be sustained infinitely (fire without kindle eventually burns out), can be released in artistic displays (fireworks) and deprivation or denial often leads to a form of death in the individual (the sun) .
 
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But in Avatar the Last Airbender....

 
... really pro water benders learn how to blood bend which is badass as fuck
So I've heard, which is why I settled for blood.

But now that I think about it...

FP= Air
FJ= Water
TP= Fire
TJ= Earth
 
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