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The ISTP is stereotypically known as the mechanic. What did you think you were?
 

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Was this from a test, questionnaire, or you just associate with it? You don't strike me as a very dogmatic style of person to be ISTJ and usually people don't fight to be ISTJ so I'm actually really curious how you are.
 

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I've done plenty of tests, yes, including the official one and some other more formal ones. I relate to the official descriptions, bar the overly traditional stuff. The only time I do MBTI questionnaires like this have been when someone's come up with a new or revised one and I've tested them out.

To be honest, I only decided to find out more about MBTI because I found it to be an accurate description for me in the first place. Dunno about fighting though, it just is what it is; can't change it.
 

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Obviously you can't change it whatever you are but you can try to accurately define it. I mean you can say ISTJ and ISTP are 1 letter off and you scored 51 to 49 in J vs P and that makes you ISTJ, but I'm trying to figure out the functions. Even though ISTJ and ISTP can both be introverted, pragmatic, thinkers, the way they go about the world is kind of different. It's not that it's impossible for you to be ISTJ, but if I have made an error I would like to thoroughly analyze so I don't make it again.

I am mostly trying to figure out what makes you a Te user specifically, because you seem pretty open with everything. Somethings seem a little vaguely T where I could see it going either way. You never talk about systems or structures. You said authority is good in expertise but hierarchical systems aren't usually good which particularly confuses me. You don't have the sort of hard and fast rules for things. I mean I'm a little cartoonish in my Te, but I understand there is a spectrum of it. Usually it is pretty unmistakable though. You don't seem to share much in common with the Te people I know or have typed or who have identified as a Te type.
 

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I mean you can say ISTJ and ISTP are 1 letter off and you scored 51 to 49 in J vs P and that makes you ISTJ, but I'm trying to figure out the functions.
Firstly, I haven't said that. That's your conjecture. In my original questionnaire I referenced the fact that people have previously suggested alternative types that differ by one letter. No one has ever suggested ISTP (or INTP for that matter) to me as my type before.

For the record, I have never scored anything near a 51/49 split on a J/P dichotomy. Dichotomy-wise, I'm about as J as they come. But again, that's your conjecture.

Even though ISTJ and ISTP can both be introverted, pragmatic, thinkers, the way they go about the world is kind of different. It's not that it's impossible for you to be ISTJ, but if I have made an error I would like to thoroughly analyze so I don't make it again.
I haven't claimed otherwise. As you say, the way an ISTJ and an ISTP go about things is different.

I am mostly trying to figure out what makes you a Te user specifically, because you seem pretty open with everything. Somethings seem a little vaguely T where I could see it going either way. You never talk about systems or structures. You said authority is good in expertise but hierarchical systems aren't usually good which particularly confuses me. You don't have the sort of hard and fast rules for things. I mean I'm a little cartoonish in my Te, but I understand there is a spectrum of it. Usually it is pretty unmistakable though. You don't seem to share much in common with the Te people I know or have typed or who have identified as a Te type.
I don't know what you want me to say. If you want me to talk about systems or structures, then ask me about them. I attempted to answer the questions selected for the questionnaire. I found some of them too ambiguous or non-specific to answer well, but I focused on the questions and gave the best answers I could. I don't know the people you know so there's as much weight to that as me saying I share commonalities with Te people I know.

For clarity, a bit on my perspective on hierarchies:

I don't rate hierarchies because I've seen many times the kind of damage they cause to the system. They don't work in practice as they should. What happens in reality is you get people at the bottom of the ladder who resent those at the top and it impacts the hierarchy negatively because it leads them to not pull their weight. In addition, you get people at the top of the ladder who think themselves vastly superior and compound the problem by their attitude to those lower down.

The structure itself works fine (in terms of having different people performing different roles in the process, and specialising in such roles), but if you create a system like that that operates closer to vertical than horizontal, the people within the hierarchy neither reach their full potential nor learn to appreciate the benefits of each role. The problem is, is that it becomes a system of power, which gives the illusion of control to those at the top, but doesn't actually give you that control because you're rubbing up the people within it the wrong way. You can see this repeatedly in the workplace and the social class system - people spend more time bitching about those that are on different levels to them, they don't work the system to its maximum.
 
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