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I have decided to save time and money and to live a simpler life. I am going to live out of my car in a secluded woodsy area when I graduate. It will keep from getting nickeled and dimed by the government with its extensive taxes. I will not have to pay rent or a mortgage payment. I will be able to put a lot of money towards savings Finally, I will not have spend so much time cleaning and maintaining a house.

I have already figured out how this will work out.
I will get a gym membership for showers.
I'll keep a ice chest for my food.
Ill fold down my seats in the back of my cr-v and place one of the those foam egg crate things down for my bed
I will use the woods for the restroom.
Ill get a internet card from AT&T and stay connected to the rest of the world.
I would get a PO box for my mail
etc...

Of course, there could be flaws that I have not forseen...

Am I a crazy INFJ or is this something you have thought of too?

I think I would be able to connect more spiritually with myself and it would be a great stress-free lifestyle--something INFJs need very much.

Lend me your thoughts.
 

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Ertewert speaks my thoughts exactly. Saving up for a bigger mobile home in this case is definitely a better idea.

I have considered something similar in the past. Would not necessarily mind taking myself up on it, either.
 

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1. In most states, the DMV doesn't accept P.O. boxes. You need to put down a physical address for license renewal and vehicle registration. Forest rangers will be checking your tags from time to time.

2. What about when it snows? Eventually you're will not be able to move because it's buried in like 2 ft. of it. Then there's the task of keeping warm under those conditons.

2a. Can't keep running the engine to stay warm, you'll run out of gas real fast.

3. What if ManBearPig finds you?
 

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I've fantasized about doing this quite a lot. I'm a bit too tied down with debts and my other aspirations to make it work, though.

2. What about when it snows? Eventually you're will not be able to move because it's buried in like 2 ft. of it. Then there's the task of keeping warm under those conditons.
Don't go to places where it snows. Problem solved.
 

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Part of me thinks this could be a geat idea. Part of me thinks you might need to think more about it first.

On the one hand, just trying what works and not, will give you many great experiences and help you learn a lot about yourself. I have a few times been long distance walking for a couple of weeks or more, and the realisation that you can really do with very little of all the stuff you normally keep surrounding yourself with is very useful.

On the other hand, I do think you need to really think through what it is that you are trying to accomplish and the purpose of your lifestyle. It sounds to me like more like you are trying to escape something, more than actually trying to build something new to replace your current lifestyle with.

There could be several very different reasons for doing what you describe, and it seems that you are trying to refer as many of them at the same time as possible in order to justify your idea to others and possibly yourself to. When push comes to shove, and it will, living in a car, you need to know your priorities.

So, is this something you want to do in order to
- minimize expenses, so that you do not need to work as much
- minimize expenses, in order to save as much money as possible for the future
- minimize dependence on society in general
- test your limits
- minimize household work and all the everyday chores, to get more time do focus on more important things
- show your contempt for the "system" and the government
- live closer to nature
- take a step away from everything to get a new perspective
- something else that I didn't list...

I have been reading a bit both on minimalism and self-sustainability, and have come to the conclusion that a lot of people fail because they do all the motions, and imitate things they find impressive, but haven't really thought through their own personal motives and goals.

I can see several practical problems with what you have written so far (and some have been mentioned already) but my main point is that all the practical details are just that. Going for a more unconventional lifestyle will force you to make many choices that can have potentially considerable consequences. Not being clear on your motivations would put you at great risk of making counter-productive or self-defeating decisions. If you would elaborate on your thoughts on why you want to do this, I think you will be more confident in the practical arrangements you make.
 

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Have you considered how you might cook your food? and wash your clothes and such? also how safe it would be to subsist in such a location in your car? of course living anywhere brings with it inherent dangers, i've just seen a fair few things go dreadfully wrong in such an environment like you mentioned.

Caravans are quite expensive, but if you plan on doing this for a while it might be worth looking up.

Do you have some sort of a back up plan if you were to lose access to your car in some shape or form? you would essentially lose not only your place of residence, but also most (if not all) of your possessions if that were the case.

It might be good to look up other people who have tried this kind of life style. If you do, it would be good if you could share it here. I'd be interested; i'm very interested in so called "alternate" lifestyles definitely. There are many different routes, so keep your eyes open to be sure you know what you're doing.

I would advise testing a few out for a few weeks before you commit yourself to anything, but hell, any new lifestyle takes a bit of getting used to.
 

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Penchant, I am considering this lifestyle because as a senior in high school, I have learned more and more about the cost of living through economics class and my parents. I do not want to live paycheck to paycheck. I also feel I never have time for anything I want to do. I know that maintaining a house is very time-consuming. I would have more time to do things or just be able to slow down my pace of life. I would say that the time is more important than the money. Lastly, I am not that materialistic. I wouldn't mind living a humble lifestyle.

Scrybaby, that's what I am worried about., but you have to take risks to see if some alternative is better for you IMO.
 

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Penchant, I am considering this lifestyle because as a senior in high school, I have learned more and more about the cost of living through economics class and my parents. I do not want to live paycheck to paycheck. I also feel I never have time for anything I want to do. I know that maintaining a house is very time-consuming. I would have more time to do things or just be able to slow down my pace of life. I would say that the time is more important than the money. Lastly, I am not that materialistic. I wouldn't mind living a humble lifestyle.

Scrybaby, that's what I am worried about., but you have to take risks to see if some alternative is better for you IMO.
That's some very good insight that too many people gain way too late in life. I for my part have already managed to collect way too much stuff and I now have a hard time making rid of it, so that I don't end up spending all my time, money and energy just storing, rotating and maintaining my belongings.

Working full-time or even more just to keep up with my own and everyone's expectation is something I would hate to get stuck doing. However I think the problem has much more to do with mentality and values than with the external circumstances of life. To much stuff to worry about might be a minor inconvenience, but the real problem is when the attachment to your things stops you from living life fully. So I honestly admire your intention and ambition.

Where I think you might need to reconsider your approach is the idea that living in a car would be the most carefree way of living. Even a cheap car is still an investment, and the cheaper the car, the more time and money you would be likely to need to put into keeping it working. I'm not saying it is necessarily a bad idea, but a car doesn't necessarily need less maintenance than a house. For sure, a house needs a lot of upkeep, but the fact that most people nowadays buy a way bigger house than they really need just to show off, shouldn't overshadow the fact that the reason that people live in a house in the first place is that it actually takes care of a lot of things that would otherwise be more difficult—heating, cooking and sleeping, as a few examples. I'm not trying to talk you out of anything, but want you to really evaluate your options rather than dismissing living in a house simply based on your previous experience of houses. In my mind truely living counter-culturally means neither living as everyone else nor choosing the opposite path just for the sake of it, but having the ingenuity and courage to do things and see things in a different way. So while your parents might not be a role model for you, this doesn't mean that they didn't get some things right.

For instance, why not rent? That gives you the freedom to travel for extended periods of time. Or get permission to build a shed in the same place as you intended to park your car? Then you have the same low-maintenance housing but with a lot more comfort. Or if mobility is key, rather a campervan? Remember, the key is keeping it simple, which is not always the same thing as cheaper.

I understand your main concern as wanting to be able to get by on small means and focus your living on what you want to spend time on. For that, I think that your mentality is way much more important than your sleeping arrangements. By all means do try the sleeping in your car thing, it will do you good, but after a while you will also understand that even this lifestyle will cost you considerable amounts of money and worry. Instead focus on keeping your fixed expenses to a minimum. The same thing goes for staying away from commitments that keep drawing on your time and energy, and that are not a part of what you want to invest in. The less obligations you have to fulfil, the more free you will be. (And again, most of this is a matter of perspective, not actual circumstances...)

I don't claim to have all the answers, far from it. And I hope I don't come across as lecturing you. It just seems to me that you are partly focusing your energy in the wrong place. And that it would be a waste not taking the opportunity to talk to you about these things more in depth, as you seem to be someone who thinks seriously about this and values this kind of input.

ps. I'd also like to give you a blog suggestion... I've been following Zenhabits (Archives | zen habits) for a couple of years now, and get much inspiration from reading his posts, even though I feel he's posted helped me more a year ago than they do now. And there are plenty of other minimalist bloggers out there writing about the same subject.
 

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Scrybaby, that's what I am worried about., but you have to take risks to see if some alternative is better for you IMO.
I agree with that. When I was 22 I moved 1000 miles away from home with 2 suitcases to my name (plus a bit of saved up cash) and nothing more than a desire to be where I was going and a few friends to help me out . It was totally against my normal way of planning every step of life. It was the biggest risk I ever took and the best decision I ever made.
If you think you can make it work go for it. The worst thing that could happen is it doesn't work out and at least you'll have some money saved. And maybe a bad back from sleeping in the back of a car long term. You are young enough that you can take this kind of risk and still bounce back from it.

Good luck to you whatever you decide.

You could get a mailbox at UPS store they give you a real address and not a P.O. Box.
 

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Kotovsyndrome, maybe you'd be interested in a product by Reuseit or DebbieMeyers (and there are more names I think)
It's a set of bags that allow vegetables, fruit etc. you buy to last longer. They can be left on the counter or in the fridge. There's also a new bag that you just leave in the crisper bin in the fridge, instead of putting anything inside it.. and it absorbs moisture, ethylene gas (which is said to be what makes the produce rot).
Have to do some testing though. I heard it doesn't work for all.. like there are some bad experiences with bananas, strawberries and tomatoes.


I think about this topic all the time, it's just running automatic now in the back of my mind.. Whenever I get new info it stores it..
I wouldn't really go this same route as you
I've had quite a few experiences living on my own or with roommates, shared house or dorm, different living situations and I've learned how important it is for me to have my privacy and comfortableness of lifestyle :tongue: So shared gym, etc doesn't cut it for me. I've gone so far as to even cut off the public library.. I just order my books now

A long time ago when I was still a high school student, I went to an anime convention with a classmate and we booked a room in a dormitory (the convention was at a big university). It was so awful.. I couldn't stand having to share the kitchen and the bathrooms. People were really loud.. I was so thankful it was only a 3-day trip. I didn't go that way when I went to college. Although, I was so much shier back then so now, my reasons for not going into a dormitory are pretty different..
 

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This sounds a lot like the book "the 4 hour workweek" (well besides automatic-income). Liberate yourself from daily routine, try to cut back on fix monthly cost, free some time to do whatever you want in life and dont have any attach (home).

I want to try to save a whole lot of money to start a foundation at some point to help society about a particular issue. I feel cutting back on a lot of unnecessary things could help me with that. They say though that it's easier to raise a lot of money by raising your income instead of only cutting on costs.

I also secretly dream of buying a few call options/futures and make a lot of money in a short period of time like at the casino to help get things started. Speculation (greed) seams so appealing and repulsive, like all other sins. :\
 

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I know someone personally who does just that and holds down a full time job as well. This person has been living this way for many years.

The only concern I have is if you want to date. You will have to find someone who wants to live that way too. I don't think there are quite as many girls who live that way. You could maybe find someone in the hippy community.
 

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are you going through something right now? i've felt this way before... when i just wanted to drop my crazy lifestyle, and sought the minimalist, self-sufficient lifestyle. i felt this way earlier this year actually, where i had a similar idea and i just wanted to shut myself away and have a "break" from other people and all the complexities of life.
 
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