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This is about my friend. I’ll try and explain what’s made me so conflicted.
1. at first I thought ISTJ. He is very preoccupied with rote information (young unmitigated Si).Whenever he talks about things, he lists concrete facts. He also shows little Ne ideation or creativity. Most of his ‘wit’ and jokes are quotes from others (I’m not saying all ISTJs are like this).
2. I realised he barely has Te OR Fi like an ISTJ would. He is remarkably lazy, half-asses nearly everything (contrasting even common Si perfectionism). He likes to claim that he had strong morals and a strict ethical code. Then he claims he has no idea what his values are, and he’ll find out what they are once there is a situation in which he has to use them.
3. For a while I thought INTP or ISTP...maybe this could explain the immature use of Si discussed. And IXTPs can be lazy. BUT, IXTPs are never too lazy to think. This guy got too lazy to think. He dislikes exploring things deeply (too much effort, irrelevant to him). Sometimes he’ll make a big statement genuinely, like ‘Socialism is best for the country’ and when people inquire about it, he confidently goes ‘I don’t know,’ (very un-IXTP).
Some other tidbits:
  • He is practical, he thinks practically, but he refrains from action.
  • He confidently talks to everyone. However, this can be bad as he sometimes seems to devalue his closer relationships. He can’t decipher between levels of closeness.
  • He says things in the moment for showmanship, but these statements aren’t well thought out, and he usually forgets the things he says (no matter how weighty, he’s very interested in ‘in the moment bombast’.
  • He is rather inattentive to friends and teachers alike.
-He is laidback.
-He is also very unperturbed, difficult to offend.
 

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It is possible that he has a 9 enneagram(if you care about that system). Anyways it is not like INTPs don't say stuff like idk when asked to explain stuff. I do most of the time say such stuff if I think others aren't going to follow up my reasoning. Usually Ti reasoning is highly personalized so it can be hard to explain to others like Ni insights, in an understandable way. Definitions which I create to refer for myself for self understanding is usually different than the rest of the definitions. So usually I would just state my conclusions rather than whole reasoning process, however I do enjoy arguing my tentative opinions on stuff irl. All that said if you think he lacks Te and Fi, have you thought about ISFJ(I have an IxFJ brother who uses that term a lot) as his possible type. ISTP can also be a possible fit.
 

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It is possible that he has a 9 enneagram(if you care about that system). Anyways it is not like INTPs don't say stuff like idk when asked to explain stuff. I do most of the time say such stuff if I think others aren't going to follow up my reasoning. Usually Ti reasoning is highly personalized so it can be hard to explain to others like Ni insights, in an understandable way. Definitions which I create to refer for myself for self understanding is usually different than the rest of the definitions. So usually I would just state my conclusions rather than whole reasoning process, however I do enjoy arguing my tentative opinions on stuff irl. All that said if you think he lacks Te and Fi, have you thought about ISFJ(I have an IxFJ brother who uses that term a lot) as his possible type. ISTP can also be a possible fit.
I don’t think his Fe would be very high at all. Again, he has trouble distinguishing levels of closeness. Also, he enjoys breaking social harmony by saying awkward things. I have been around him a lot, and he does not try at all to maintain harmony. He does not pick up on social signals.

With the ‘idk’ he’s not saying it frustratedly. It’s more that he is a bit of an exhibitionist, he loves to show off much more than he likes to think, and so he says big things, only to be unable to follow them up.

This is why it’s confusing. I can see Se. He is a hedonist and lives very much in the moment. He has admitted that he finds it easy to meditate because his head is pretty much always clear. But then again, Se would likely be more physically active. And I doubt he has Ti or Fi as aux.
 

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Kind of sounds Estpish....although I know you mentioned his limited Fe. Is he definitely introverted?
 

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Kind of sounds Estpish....although I know you mentioned his limited Fe. Is he definitely introverted?
hmmm, no it’s not definite. He’s confident. He likes large groups of people. He just struggles to maintain one-on-one more serious conversations. But he claims to gain his energy from solitude.
 

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I don’t think his Fe would be very high at all. Again, he has trouble distinguishing levels of closeness. Also, he enjoys breaking social harmony by saying awkward things. I have been around him a lot, and he does not try at all to maintain harmony. He does not pick up on social signals.

With the ‘idk’ he’s not saying it frustratedly. It’s more that he is a bit of an exhibitionist, he loves to show off much more than he likes to think, and so he says big things, only to be unable to follow them up.

This is why it’s confusing. I can see Se. He is a hedonist and lives very much in the moment. He has admitted that he finds it easy to meditate because his head is pretty much always clear. But then again, Se would likely be more physically active. And I doubt he has Ti or Fi as aux.
Ok, based on what you said now. Try xSTP for him. I had lived with an ESTP who said big things however they weren't followed up. Ultimately you know him better than I do. However most people avoided him or didn't consider him a friend due to his manipulative and show off tendencies.

ISFJ can still work if he is in a Si-Ti loop, which can make him neglect his Fe.
 
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