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Yeah, I was just wondering about the whole notion of Introverted feeling and left with thinking that it's somewhat of a peculiar function, and I am actually left wondering if I really exactly impose idealistic standards on the world exactly as even though I used to be a lot more idealistic I more so just adjust my motives or actions around current forces in the world, though I am motivated somewhat by my moral standards I guess.

But I was just thinking what interesting how much introverted feeling can really define a person and yet are fundamentally made up of specific values that are unique to every person and are not always quite logical.

I was wondering then what your specific values are and how they came to be and exactly how they influence your actions or behaviors?

(This might be considered too long for many)
  1. It's really hard to say for me when I started developing my own introverted feeling values, but I know that for myself it's almost comparable to a lot of SJ types I suppose, in that I felt a strong compulsion and inner sense of innate justice, and I guess desire to somehow serve a greater good or higher power. It's really then I wonder how different this is from SJ types. It was a lot harder for me to really define or come to a conclusion on the very specific nature of good and evil I guess (but I think it was vaguely some notion of good and evil on a grand scale) I really wanted to be "good" whatever that was, more difficult said then done.
  2. It might be kind of weird but I think that my Fi is vaguely socialist. I grew up in somewhat of a downtrodden and impoverished area and it really effected and influenced my outlook on the world I guess. I was really influenced by socialist ideas and especially Marxism, (in theory) though I wouldn't say I am officially a socialist. It's hard to explain but I just have a weird bent liek that. I'm for free-market capitalism to an extent, but I find strangely enough my Introverted Feeling makes me hurt by not living in a more collectivist or a communal society but then likewise that's particularly what one of my biggest issues is, and thus actually consider myself an individualist (but see it comes close to Fe because of that almost) but I think it's innately Introverted feeling for me.
  3. I guess Christianity to an extent, though I don't really consider myself religious which is a huge issue for me.
  4. ideas pertaining to individualism, which was a big deal in the renaissance period and like breaking away from tradition, rigid dogma, and being open to different thoughts, ideas and various experiences.
Otherwise I can't really think of much other things, there's not really past traditions I think that really influence me in that way very much. I've always really liked a lot of counter-culture things, but especially like punk rock from the 80s and 70s I don't know why. So I guess I really value unique and interesting creative expression, if it's genuine I think and not based on purely commercial reasons to sell an image
 

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It's probably kind of a pointless thread though, I imagine it's probably actually somewhere along the line of "individualism" for most INFP's, or maybe they can't admit it.

"I am a vehement classist"

"I think poor people deserve to be poor"

"no one is equal"

I don't know why they say specifically values if it doesn't really diverge all that much.
 

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They are not bound by the judgments of others — as is the feeling-extravert — for the standard by which they judge their own behavior is an inner moral law, intuitively felt to be binding. While the extravert of feeling-type will repress, for the sake of harmony, things both in himself and in the external world which do not accord with his ideal, the feeling-introvert will remain more aware of such conflicts. In him, however, the limiting and excluding activity of the demand for harmony may be detrimental in a different way, everything not consonant with that harmony being regarded from a negative point of view, as opposed to what is ideal and good. It is impossible for these people to see the world or themselves objectively, and their continual comparison of things with ideal requirements gives them an exaggeratedly critical point of view. Since this also applies to their own lives, there is an undermining of their own self-confidence, as well as of their confidence in the world, which may seriously affect their happiness in life. It is necessary for these people to recognize that things which do not exactly accord with their ideals may yet have a value which may be developed.
Dr. J. H. van der Hoop, Lecturer in Psychiatry, Amsterdam, Conscious Orientation
I found this in a stickied thread.

I'm not entirely sure that there is such thing as an Fi value, at least not in the way I think you think of it because everyone has values. INFPs perhaps just think more about them. I think your second post might have hit it on the head. Individuality?

I've noticed the discussions on the Fi threads are markedly different than the Fe threads. People in Fi threads tend to drop their opinion, give the reason, and back off with a, "Take it or leave it. I said my piece."
 

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I found this in a stickied thread.

I'm not entirely sure that there is such thing as an Fi value, at least not in the way I think you think of it because everyone has values. INFPs perhaps just think more about them. I think your second post might have hit it on the head. Individuality?

I've noticed the discussions on the Fi threads are markedly different than the Fe threads. People in Fi threads tend to drop their opinion, give the reason, and back off with a, "Take it or leave it. I said my piece."
I'm pretty sure that I've read a few articles which associate or pertain introverted feeling as being based on individual values but I did not feel like looking for them right now.

But then from what I've experienced I really wonder if that opinion really makes sense, I somewhat doubt introverted feeling really varies that much, but then it's kind of a weird function to define and seems less dubious then "ideals"
 

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Here's one article already, it says "personal value system"
"Fi is a judging function where the individual makes decisions based on their own personal value system."

I think my Fi has been influenced quite a bit by the American constitution of independence I guess, I know that individual rights are strangely important to me, but not directly because of property rights and the free markets.


That being said I just really wonder what other Fi-doms personal values are I find that really interesting though I don’t know if it’s predictable or not I also wonder if there’s also possibly any other interpretations of that idea, “personal values”
 

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I'll list a couple of mine I guess:
Don't burden others and lift your own.
Don't murder.
Don't steal.
Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but it doesn't mean they are right.
People should be judged on their work and their intentions, and less on the outcomes.
Give people more leeway than you give yourself.

but these values wouldn't be INFP/ISFP specific, though one could argue some values are more readily accepted by INFPs.
 

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There is a real good thread here - - >> [INFP] - INFP Values: What are your top five?

I'll just post my answer from there and the long list of "values" might give others some "ideas".

Here goes:

Just 5? Yikes. Okay, went to ericajoy's Value thread and copied the list then picked..... gulp ..... 5.

1. Wonder
2. Bliss
3. Creativity
4. Humor
5. Optimism, Delight, Peace, Happiness, Silence, Silliness, Introversion


Abundance
Acceptance
Accessibility
Accomplishment
Accuracy
Achievement
Acknowledgement
Activeness
Adaptability
Adoration
Adroitness
Adventure
Affection
Affluence
Aggressiveness
Agility
Alertness
Altruism

Ambition
Amusement
Anticipation
Appreciation
Approachability
Articulacy
Assertiveness
Assurance
Attentiveness
Attractiveness
Audacity
Availability
Awareness
Awe
Balance
Beauty

Being the best
Belonging
Benevolence
Bliss
Boldness
Bravery
Brilliance
Buoyancy
Calmness
Camaraderie
Candor
Capability
Care
Carefulness

Celebrity
Certainty
Challenge
Charity
Charm
Chastity
Cheerfulness
Clarity
Cleanliness
Clearmindedness
Cleverness

Closeness
Comfort
Commitment
Compassion
Completion
Composure
Concentration
Confidence
Conformity
Congruency
Connection
Consciousness
Consistency
Contentment
Continuity
Contribution
Control
Conviction
Conviviality
Coolness
Cooperation
Cordiality
Correctness
Courage
Courtesy
Craftiness
Creativity

Credibility
Cunning
Curiosity
Daring
Decisiveness
Decorum
Deference
Delight
Dependability
Depth
Desire
Determination
Diligence

Direction
Directness
Discipline
Discovery

Discretion
Diversity
Dominance
Dreaming
Drive
Duty
Dynamism
Eagerness
Economy
Ecstasy
Education
Effectiveness
Efficiency
Elation
Elegance
Empathy
Encouragement

Endurance
Energy
Enjoyment
Entertainment
Enthusiasm

Excellence
Excitement
Exhilaration
Expectancy
Expediency
Experience
Expertise
Exploration
Expressiveness
Extravagance
Extroversion
Exuberance
Fairness
Faith

Fame
Family
Fascination

Fashion
Fearlessness
Ferocity
Fidelity
Fierceness
Financial
Firmness
Fitness
Flexibility
Flow

Fluency
Focus
Fortitude

Frankness
Freedom
Friendliness

Frugality
Fun
Gallantry
Generosity
Gentility
Giving
Grace
Gratitude
Gregariousness

Growth
Guidance
Happiness
Harmony
Health
Heart
Helpfulness
Heroism
Holiness
Honesty
Honor
Hopefulness
Hospitality

Humility
Humor
Hygiene
Imagination
Impact

Impartiality
Independence
Industry
Ingenuity
Inquisitiveness
Insightfulness
Inspiration
Integrity
Intelligence

Intensity
Intimacy
Intrepidness
Introversion
Intuition
Intuitiveness
Inventiveness

Investing
Joy
Judiciousness
Justice
Keenness
Kindness
Knowledge

Leadership
Learning
Liberation
Liberty

Liveliness
Logic
Longevity
Love
Loyalty
Majesty
Making a difference
Mastery
Maturity

Meekness
Mellowness
Meticulousness
Mindfulness
Modesty
Motivation
Mysteriousness
Neatness
Nerve
Obedience
Openmindedness
Openness
Optimism

Order
Organization
Originality
Outlandishness
Outrageousness
Passion
Peace
Perceptiveness

Perfection
Perkiness
Perseverance
Persistence
Persuasiveness
Philanthropy
Piety
Playfulness
Pleasantness
Pleasure
Poise

Polish - lol.... the official lang. of Poland
Popularity
Potency
Power
Practicality
Pragmatism
Precision
Preparedness
Presence
Privacy

Proactivity
Professionalism
Prosperity
Prudence
Punctuality
Purity
Ralism - ?
Reason
Reasonableness
Recognition
Recreation
Refinement
Reflection
Relaxation

Reliability
Religiousness
Resilience
Resolution
Resolve
Resourcefulness
Respect
Rest

Restraint
Reverence
Richness
Rigor
Sacredness
Sacrifice
Sagacity
Saintliness
Sanguinity
Satisfaction
Security
Self-control
Selflessness
Self-reliance
Sensitivity

Sensuality
Serenity
Service
Sexuality
Sharing
Shrewdness
Significance
Silence
Silliness
Simplicity
Sincerity
Skillfulness

Solidarity
Solitude
Soundness
Speed
Spirit
Spirituality

Spontaneity
Spunk
Stability
Stealth
Stillness
Strength

Stucture
Success
Support
Supremacy
Surprise
Sympathy
Synergy
Teamwork
Temperance
Thankfulness
Thoroughness
Thoughtfulness
Thrift
Tidiness
Timeliness
Traditionalism
Tranquility
Transcendence
Trust
Trustworthiness

Truth
Understanding
Unflappability
Uniqueness

Unity
Usefulness
Utility
Valor
Variety
Victory

Vigor
Virtue
Vision

Vitality
Vivacity
Warmth
Watchfulness

Wealth
Willfulness
Willingness
Winning
Wisdom
Wittiness
Wonder
Youthfulness
Zeal

FANTASTIC list! I would hope in my lifetime I've used all to some degree.

Purple = ♥ this one
Green = don't ♥ this one
 

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This one's kind of hard. I've got a number of 'values' but its hard to say which would be more important, unless you presented me with very specific circumstances. Let me see...

1) Do no harm. While I'll concede that this is functionally impossible, it is still possible to minimize the amount of harm one does.
2) Egalitarianism. All humans are worthy of kindness and respect, and should be equal before the law. Sometimes this is equated with Socialism, but there are differences. (FWIW, I guess I'd be considered a social democrat.)
3) Little kindnesses make the world go around. Whether it's a sincere compliment, an encouraging word, or just holding the door open for someone.
4) Integrity. If I lie, I feel like a fraud and a hypocrite, and my conscience hounds me like a rabid badger. I'm more tolerant of it in other people, though, because it seems that's just how society gets along.

I decided a long time ago that I don't have it in me to change the world. So I try to make small differences closer to home.
 

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I'm extremely glad you made that thread because I saw a post on Quora where someone said "every fi user has different values", which doesn't seem that true with INFPs but that may just be wishful thinking on my part. What do you all think ?
IME, as far as core values are concerned, there's a lot of convergence after a while between many INFPs - which is sort of unsurprising since we typically encounter the same problems with society/thinkers/fe users, thus leading us to adopt a value system as all encompassing as possible. Funny how some INFP adopt values destined to jugulate their INFP-ness (such as "you must abide by social graces" or "you must strive towards objectivity". Testifies to a lot of self-awareness but seems a bit hard to live by on the long run ? (Just thinking aloud rn).
Judging by the thread mentioned above (your 5 top functions), there's still a lot of variability between the hierarchy of those values. Had a nasty clash with another INFP once because of that in an art group project (I was favoring extreme equality between all participants, he was favoring artistic excellence for the project, it escalated quite quickly to a place where neither of us budged).
Wondering if the same goes for other introverted functions with high ni users spotting similar patterns for example. Don't see how it could apply to Si however. Si seems to be the most highly personal of all functions but my understanding of it is very poor.
 

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all my values come down to concepts:

- not to cause harm to anyone. i can not stand the idea that someone would walk away from time with me, inherently wounded by something i did or said to them.
my friends used to joke that i might even marry out of politeness, not wanting to hurt the other person (terrible. i've developed since then though:))

- the other value is to help people whenever possible. whenever is possible.
related is the need to do something of value for my country and my nation.

- the last and equally important basic value is to explore, understand, shape and live myself, my true self. this is both a playful task and a heavy burden to carry, when i consider all about myself.
i am also hungry for experiencing emotions of all kinds, identities and stories.


all other values root from these.
 
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