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I have a friend with 2 in her tritype and have had lovely conversations with a 2 on this board, but I've had fights with my mother, whom I just figured out is a 2w1. I love her and she's fairly healthy, but she expects people to know what she wants without her telling them. She is very giving, but expects the same in return without her saying that to the person. She's done such things as telling me not to buy her a birthday gift only to get angry at me for not buying her a birthday gift (partly because she is so giving). I have a pretty good relationship with her now, but I always make sure to tell her I love her, buy her little things, go out of my way to help her, etc. I myself, a 4, would not expect people to give me something I didn't actually ask for. If I want something I ask for it. If I told someone not to get me something, I would mean it.
 

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I have a childhood friend who I see as a 2 and for the most part, I do see her as saccharine like a description said. She's very optimistic in a way and is full of warm hopes. It's hard though sometimes to tell when she's being supportive as a part of her just trying to be 'her' or her projected image or when she's urging something she actually believes in. I mean, I can tell the distinction, but they are close sides. I appreciate the validation of feelings but I often don't feel inspired or completely understood enough for her to have an actual affect on me. The things I have problems with are her not owning up to a selfish intention or taking a bit of the fault for misunderstanding something, e.g. she will make excuses and go back on her words as a way out of being accused of something. These are outweighed by her good-naturedness and willingness to help.
 

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What you said about giving gifts... My sister is a stage performer and when she was growing up, she had a mentor who was definitely a 2w3, and my sister told me about how she would do something similar; she would not ask for any gifts, but would be severely disappointed if she put on a play and she got no jewelry from the actors afterward. Honestly, though, she seemed to embody an unhealthy 2 to me; she had been an awkward adolescent, and she grew up not only to work with adolescents but to project her past wounds, insecurities onto them and turn them into projects... She wound up monitoring my sister's diet, clothing, behavior especially in regards to boys, and she came across saccharine and expected a lot of attention and gifts in return, without saying so directly. Other 2s I have been acquainted with (haven't gotten to know any extremely well, I have to say), though, haven't been that way... They felt very genuinely unselfish and giving to me. They seem to need more closeness than I ever could, though, but 2s are generally extroverts after all.

I have struggled with a strong line to 2 myself (eg, the less confident and the more desperate I have gotten, the more codependent, saccharine, needy, etc I have tended to become), and when I have come across unhealthy 2s like my sister's mentor I notice I have been unusually, extremely put off and have had difficulty sympathizing... I think I might be projecting my own dark side onto them.
 

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I was in a relationship with a 2 for five years. She was lovely and I was deeply in love with her. I think though that since we 4's are often looking for a rescuers and 2's love to rescue at some point that dynamic became so heavy it was no longer supportable. She had a very difficult time expressing her needs and normally when she was upset she wouldn't know why and I would need to help her explore her emotions until finally we got to the heart of things. Often it was my fault she was upset because I neglected some thing that she herself didn't know she wanted me to do until it had gone undone. Honestly though we were both pretty unhealthily. If we had been healthy I'm sure I would still be with her.
 
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