Not sure if I identify though...ENFP/ESTJ: Ne/Te or Te/Ne--Borderline Personality Disorder. The ENFP I described above may have been one of these types. They simultaneously desire to control and dazzle others with their extraordinary leadership and grandiose performances. For the ENFP, this tends to take the form of insisting on consistent, scheduled attention from others for his/her artistic or creative gifts, while for the ESTJ it tends to manifest itself in terms of indignation when others refuse to follow every detail of the user's "visionary" leadership style. This combination, ironically, makes the user extremely dependent upon others for meaning, never really finding a sense of internal balance, no matter how hard he works to create and delegate. While Te leads these types to desire structure and discipline, Ne continually contradicts it by insisting on impulsive displays of creative freedom. Often self-denigrating over the inability to control Ne's impulsive explorations, Te will go to any lengths to keep the user in a position of power and influence, where others must defer to his authority. If Fi/Si were doing its job, these types would recognize that what they're looking for cannot be found outside themselves--they must learn to sometimes live for themselves and only themselves, and forget about external results for a moment.
Well if you're right about that, I can definitely relate to that sort of behaviour. Sad to think it might be pathological - I just thought it was a fun part of being an ENFP!I feel like it would lead the ENFP to lose any sort of direction and become a bit of an experience junkie due to Ne saying "what are the possibilities? what could I do?" and Te saying "Well, there's only one way to find out!"
It is a fun part of being an ENFP and can be very appropriate and helpful. but definitely if it's done too much or Fi is disregarded 100% of the time it can get out of control. I think it leads to very short-term thinking without really weighing any consequences.Well if you're right about that, I can definitely relate to that sort of behaviour. Sad to think it might be pathological - I just thought it was a fun part of being an ENFP!
Totally.I *am* a leader, I *am* creative* and I *am* artistic. Of course I want some recognition for those things!
I think that would be the little voice in your head that says "are you sure about this crazy thing you're about to do? I know you think it'll be fine, just go with it, but what about the (mainly emotional) consequences?"So, do we, like some other groups I've seen, stop ne/te loops by engaging our secondary function? How does one engage Fi?
By chilling the crap out. Having some quiet time to give yourself a chance to filter through all of the Ne gathered information and apply values to it. This is when you assess whether or not you're being true to yourself....which, being the most important thing to ENFPs, is a pretty important task.@funcoolname the 'experience' junkie part resonates - thanks! I've experienced that, and could see going 'overboard.' @r00bic0n - I agree, i am a little suspicious of the explanation posted from the other thread. I *am* a leader, I *am* creative* and I *am* artistic. Of course I want some recognition for those things!
So, do we, like some other groups I've seen, stop ne/te loops by engaging our secondary function? How does one engage Fi?
Now you're talking.....not many ENFP would admit this, glad i'm not the only . I'm not sure if there is such thing as a loop, or not convinced anyways. Under stress and anxiety our behavior changes, it literally alters all our functions. When i'm at work and have to make a snap decision, i completely abandon my Fi. Together with my Ne, my Te takes total control to come up with the best logical solution. We are capable of doing this all the time, although when relaxed, i think we become lazy in our thinkingIt turns ENFPs into arrogant sons of bitches, that's what it does.
standing up for yourself and standing up for others doesn't make you an arrogant, ego maniac; it makes you a strong, assertive, principled man who stands up for those weaker than him and deserves respect. people with character tend to have swag, this should never be confused with ego mania.Oh.. I've def. been using the Ne + Te loop a lot more lately given my growing position of command. It feels very empowering and I'm usually doing it to stand up for myself or someone else. It def. makes me into an arrogant, ego maniac lol
Yeah - I'm just new to being so strong and assertive. I've always been principled but now I find myself speaking out and pwning people. I also walk around like I'm worth a billion bucks lolstanding up for yourself and standing up for others doesn't make you an arrogant, ego maniac; it makes you a strong, assertive, principled man who stands up for those weaker than him and deserves respect. people with character tend to have swag, this should never be confused with ego mania.
of course you doYeah - I'm just new to being so strong and assertive. I've always been principled but now I find myself speaking out and pwning people. I also walk around like I'm worth a billion bucks lol
is this Ne-Te loop? (this is from another forum..umm not from here ^^ don't ban me without warning me to take it off)@Tridentus
you guys are crazy, I love my Ne/Te loop
- socially bitch slapping people who are disrespect you is fun
- it's even more useful if you want to defend someone being picked on. an Fi powered Ne/Te delivery by an ENFP can be a powerful weapon against bullies and those who mistreat the weak
- if you are trying to be productive, an Ne/Te can be very productive as opposed to normal ENFP activity (let's face it, high productivity is not second nature to us)
- strong Te brings a kind of confidence and stability that ENFPs often lack
I always identified more with the Fi-Si loop (AVPD)I'm not your run of the mil INFP and you caught me in a real bad moment. Keep your shit to yourself, this is a serious post. If this were real life you'd be crawling in a ditch bleeding from the head before you uttered even 50% of that crap. I don't tolerate bullshit like this, get that into your thick fucking skulls! NO as an INFP I'm not some God damn pussy who is going to take bullshit like this lying down :\!
<__< you don't fuck around on my thread got that!? I'm done with this. You can all blow it out your asses and yes I will beat the living shit out of the next person who pisses me off. Nothing but fucking trash all of you.
I don't fucking care if I am banned for this.