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quotation: What does Solaris want from us? it has to want something? This is why you have to leave. If you keep thinking there's a solution, you'll die here...:-(

SO: Is Infj life a Solaris? https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/f4/0e/df/f40edfef61d3de6253d3e55ad8c2c4b1.jpg AND https://truthloveunity.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/infj-made.jpg

You do not need to know a movie for it..

Chris Kelvin: Earth. Even the word sounded strange to me now... unfamiliar. How long had I been gone? How long had I been back? Did it matter? I tried to find the rhythm of the world where I used to live. I followed the current. I was silent, attentive, I made a conscious effort to smile, nod, stand, and perform the millions of gestures that constitute life on earth. I studied these gestures until they became reflexes again. But I was haunted by the idea that I remembered her wrong, and somehow I was wrong about everything.

To cut to the chase - if you like sci-fi with a soul,which stretches the boundaries of imagination, explores the uncharted realms of the human condition as much as the unknown realities of the universe, and swims upstream against the currents of ethics, physics, and even metaphysics, you will probably enjoy this moody, slow, multi-leveled and heavily textured film. If you're looking for light entertainment, stay away from this. This is a slow, intense film - dominated by dialog

The Matrix: "What is real? How do you define 'real'? If you're talking about what you can feel, what you can smell, what you can taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain." We therefore define objects and people through our senses and memories, so any 'object' that is copied perfectly enough can be acceptable for us; even for a very well trained mind.

=Gibarian's line "There are no answers, only choices" echoes Nietzsche's quote "There are no facts, only interpretations". ???

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Solaris (2002) - Quotes - IMDb

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solaris_(2002_film)


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Do she win? https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/97/88/cc/9788cc6ffe38e26cb6442a8fdf87ab92.jpg
 

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It describes the interaction between human scientists and what seems to be a conscious, sentient planet. However, the mental processes of the human scientists and the planet are so different that little understanding is achieved by the humans.

At first, the planet displays some sort of knowledge or understanding of humans by producing artifacts which look like humans or the things they’ve brought. Sometimes the artifacts are highly geometrical and aren’t related to the humans at all. In this phase the planet, Solaris, seems to be able to “gently” imitate humans and attempt to communicate through its formations (the artifacts generally appear on the surface of the planet’s ocean, which covers most of the planet).

Then the humans try a very intrusive experiment with high energy X-rays. In return, Solaris basically does the same thing to them, except much more finely and accurately, selectively pulling up memories within the scientists, although some of this “probing” results in hallucinations. They came to study the planet, and now it is studying them, partly through manifesting their thoughts (but are the manifestations real? Or hallucinated?)

Solaris (the planet and the story in general) is a focalized example of a system that physically manifests thought, and makes you look at your thoughts in a very direct way. In the story and its various tellings, we see different people react differently.

The book is written a lot like a “documentary” in a way, and leaves many of these interactions up to the physical/metaphysical interpretations of the reader.

I thought the 1972 version was much like the book in the sense of being very dry. The 2002 version seemed like a very emotion-driven telling of the story, which illustrates another side of the story, another interpretation. I liked it very much.

Is it like human life? I think so. The movie has a strong emotional resonance with the themes of desire, loss, acceptance, and redemption.

So here we come to the keystone question which links Solaris (the thought-manifesting planet) and human life.

Do you create your own reality through your mental and emotional processes?

How would you deal with that power? How easily would you understand that, in a literal physical sense, if much of your prior human experience had not shown you this to such a literal extent? How would you accept the discovery of and responsibility for the external manifestation of your internal thoughts and feelings? How would you feel about making mistakes? How would you try to correct your mistakes? How easily would you accept corrections to your mistakes? How easily would you give forgiveness? How easily would you accept forgiveness? How easily would you accept happiness?
 
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