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Due to school and everything I've been away for quite a while. It's not that you would have noticed anyway! Now, to get to the point.. ISTP's: What is your political preference? I'm simply curious and I want to know if I share the same vision with ISTP's or perhaps other personality types.
 

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I am a liberal socialist - mostly socialist economically (with some deviations) and very VERY liberal socially. In britain, I'm a member of the Liberal Democrat party, but I'm on the far left of it. Really, there is no party here that reflects me. I especially hate the conservative party (and right wingers in general) and the British Labour party too.
 

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I used to be very politically-minded (heavy left-libertarian) until I came to terms with how worthless politics is on any end of the spectrum.
 

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They are all liars, cheat and manipulators. Their policies are either designed to deceive or just will never be put into action. Every source is biased, lazy or corrupt, meaning it is impossible to get straight facts. As such I don't care.
I have many politically active friends who claim it is my duty to vote, and that if not I am helping corruption. These people understand by the end of the discussion that if they choose to press this view on me, I shall treat them as the manipulative scum they wish to become. We do not have that conversation more than once. I do not know what is best, I will not blindly throw a vote in, therefore I let others (who hopefully have better knowledge than me do the voting).
 

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They are all liars, cheat and manipulators. Their policies are either designed to deceive or just will never be put into action. Every source is biased, lazy or corrupt, meaning it is impossible to get straight facts. As such I don't care.
I have many politically active friends who claim it is my duty to vote, and that if not I am helping corruption. These people understand by the end of the discussion that if they choose to press this view on me, I shall treat them as the manipulative scum they wish to become. We do not have that conversation more than once. I do not know what is best, I will not blindly throw a vote in, therefore I let others (who hopefully have better knowledge than me do the voting).
You're going to hate me for this...

I'll agree that you shouldn't just "throw your vote in", but really, you ought to vote (and @DustyDrill too)! Even if you think they're all liars and cheats, they're the people who, at the end of the day, make all the laws of this country. If you have a single gripe about how your country is run (and trust me, I do) then you can't grumble if you refused to protect those views and vote. Couldn't you go for a protest vote to one of the less established parties?
 

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that not very tolerant of you...especially coming from the side of the aisle that claim diversity and tolerance as their halmarks....
...to me that sounds like hypocracy.
Well; tolerance is different to approving and supporting of their views.

Maybe hate was too strong a word - to me, their policies and views are illogical. That's where all my political beliefs stem from - my fact system and logic.

To answer your implied question, am I a hypocrite? Well, I never "claimed diversity and tolerance" anywhere, although I do coincidentally support those ideals. I do allow diversity, and people to enjoy their democratic right to vote for whoever they want. I do not approve of those views or those parties though, but that's different to not tolerating them.
 
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You're going to hate me for this...

I'll agree that you shouldn't just "throw your vote in", but really, you ought to vote (and @DustyDrill too)! Even if you think they're all liars and cheats, they're the people who, at the end of the day, make all the laws of this country. If you have a single gripe about how your country is run (and trust me, I do) then you can't grumble if you refused to protect those views and vote. Couldn't you go for a protest vote to one of the less established parties?
I don't hate you. "really, you ought to vote" is not the same as saying "Well voting in general and local elections I would hope is a bare minimum for anyone - anyone not doing that is just shitting on the face of humanity and I have no sympathy"...
(true quote)

Allow me to display this from a pure logic point of view;
There is one best option for an election (by the definition of best). I do not know which option that is. My vote would statistically go to a different option (the chance of my vote going to the correct option is usually less than 20%). Therefore at least 80% of the time my vote would be going against what is best. Thus I would be standing in the way of the best progress.
The only assumption I can see in this argument is that it assumes others do know what is best. This is certainly beleived by some people, and if not true pretty much invalidates democracy.
 

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The only assumption I can see in this argument is that it assumes others do know what is best. This is certainly beleived by some people, and if not true pretty much invalidates democracy.
Listen: people don't know what's best. Otherwise, why would crap music be at the top of the charts, and rubbish TV picking up millions of views. Similarly, in politics, the electorate can do some stupid things. Look in Britain for example, where people voted Thatcher in 3 times (1979,1983,1987) and then voted Major in after her (1992) when both of them did some really stupid things!

Really, democracy is just a popularity contest, about who looks the nicest, or who has a great personal life. Admittedly, your vote may not do much, but it's something to stem the tide of general stupidity!
 

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Listen: people don't know what's best.why would crap music be at the top of the charts, and rubbish TV picking up millions of views. Similarly, in politics, the electorate can do some stupid things. Look in Britain for example, where people voted Thatcher in 3 times (1979,1983,1987) and then voted Major in after her (1992) when both of them did some really stupid things!

Really, democracy is just a popularity contest, about who looks the nicest, or who has a great personal life. Admittedly, your vote may not do much, but it's something to stem the tide of general stupidity!
Then democracy has already failed. As long as people, who don't know what is best, vote, it cannot work correctly. Assuming those that abstain from voting do know the best route, your solution would work. The problem is they don't. People like me coming forward would fall under the banner of general stupidity, and further invalidate those in the know. The only two solutions are to get more people with knowledge, or get those without knowledge to stop voting (or both). I can't help with the first one, but the second? That I can follow.
 

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Well; tolerance is different to approving and supporting of their views.

Maybe hate was too strong a word - to me, their policies and views are illogical. That's where all my political beliefs stem from - my fact system and logic.

To answer your implied question, am I a hypocrite? Well, I never "claimed diversity and tolerance" anywhere, although I do coincidentally support those ideals. I do allow diversity, and people to enjoy their democratic right to vote for whoever they want. I do not approve of those views or those parties though, but that's different to not tolerating them.
Let me ask you this, have you ever spent time "on the system"?, I have for almost 7 years I was on The US's SS/SSI system and California's medi-CAL system due to severe injuries I sustained from an autowreck and it was all a living hell....not the social utopia your types (no offense) invision, it was corrupt, hemoraging waste of money, lives, intergrity and spirit...and the worst part was the beaurecratic mechanics of the system won't let you off, just as every politician from clinton on down was touting 'welfare to work...blah, blah, blah"....ALL BS! it's was never about social obilgations or humanitarianism...it's about control of the one's in power to keep the power and keep everone else obligated/dependant on their good graces. If you believe otherwise I'm sorry but your being brain washed---because if that is your striving for, you live it...and leave me out!
 

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Then democracy has already failed. As long as people, who don't know what is best, vote, it cannot work correctly. Assuming those that abstain from voting do know the best route, your solution would work. The problem is they don't. People like me coming forward would fall under the banner of general stupidity, and further invalidate those in the know. The only two solutions are to get more people with knowledge, or get those without knowledge to stop voting (or both). I can't help with the first one, but the second? That I can follow.
That's assuming that there isn't some conspiracy that is in true control of the world.
 

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I have difficulty seeing any political system that actually works. But I'm mostly a liberal socialist as well.
Same answer...get seriously hurt and see how well your utopia treats you....in other countries with smaller population and not as many ethinic self intersts trying to carve out all the can (norway, sweden, etc..) it might work for them.
 

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Then democracy has already failed. As long as people, who don't know what is best, vote, it cannot work correctly. Assuming those that abstain from voting do know the best route, your solution would work. The problem is they don't. People like me coming forward would fall under the banner of general stupidity, and further invalidate those in the know. The only two solutions are to get more people with knowledge, or get those without knowledge to stop voting (or both). I can't help with the first one, but the second? That I can follow.
I would rather educate everyone about politics. Unfortunately, it's in the parties' interests to try and take advantage of people's naivety as it allows them to have their way without true democracy. Google the 2011 AV referendum in Britain, if you want to see an example. Nag me, and I'll give you a link to one of their campaign videos.
 

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Let me ask you this, have you ever spent time "on the system"?, I have for almost 7 years I was on The US's SS/SSI system and California's medi-CAL system due to severe injuries I sustained from an autowreck and it was all a living hell....not the social utopia your types (no offense) invision, it was corrupt, hemoraging waste of money, lives, intergrity and spirit...and the worst part was the beaurecratic mechanics of the system won't let you off, just as every politician from clinton on down was touting 'welfare to work...blah, blah, blah"....ALL BS! it's was never about social obilgations or humanitarianism...it's about control of the one's in power to keep the power and keep everone else obligated/dependant on their good graces. If you believe otherwise I'm sorry but your being brain washed---because if that is your striving for, you live it...and leave me out!
On the system? I don't understand - may be a US-UK communication difference.

As for everyone spouting rubbish to keep them in power, you're right - welcome to elitism! I am just as cynical as you (hence why I am not a member of a "mainstream" party, although they are beginning to fail me...), so I would argue I'm not being brainwashed.

Still, isn't it sad that politicians care more about power than the people they're exercising it over? Luckily, here in Britain, we did have the occasional good government, which really reformed the country for the better (the liberals in the early 20thC, and the Atlee administration 1945-1950).
 

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Same answer...get seriously hurt and see how well your utopia treats you....in other countries with smaller population and not as many ethinic self intersts trying to carve out all the can (norway, sweden, etc..) it might work for them.
I'm a Dane. Utopia treats me well.
 
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