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Are you seriously associating type with physical ability?
LOL. No! hahaha. I'm sure there are some INFPs out there who are physically imposing. I meant that I find their Fi badass. I appreciate their sensitivity to the nuances of the human condition. I value Fi but I don't do it very well. I find INFPs "badass" because they can do something well that I can't.

Physical ability, though ... hmm, if anything maybe that would be linked to Se? I don't really know. I've never really considered type and physical ability much. I guess Se types have a much better appreciation for spacial reality so maybe them?
 

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LOL. No! hahaha. I'm sure there are some INFPs out there who are physically imposing. I meant that I find their Fi badass. I appreciate their sensitivity to the nuances of the human condition. I value Fi but I don't do it very well. I find INFPs "badass" because they can do something well that I can't.

Physical ability, though ... hmm, if anything maybe that would be linked to Se? I don't really know. I've never really considered type and physical ability much. I guess Se types have a much better appreciation for spacial reality so maybe them?
"Sensitive" and "badass" aren't words that really go well together in my mind for some reason. The definition of badass I searched up said they were a tough or uncompromising person. Tough is a T trait; the Step II model literally includes Tough among the five T facets. Uncompromising is an obvious J trait.

One of the test items on the official MBTI test asks whether you consider yourself "Strong (T) or Gentle (F)". Some would say true strength comes from being able to admit one's own weakness, and although it's a perspective I theoretically understand, it's not one I share.

The best case one could make for @danthemanklein being a badass was his willingness to be kind even to those bullies who tormented him. It seems crazy to me, because why would I respect someone who offers no smidgen of respect towards me? Fuck those guys. And I suspect I'm not in the minority for holding that view. But it takes a certain kind of resoluteness to be able to turn the other cheek no matter what.
 

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The best case one could make for @danthemanklein being a badass was his willingness to be kind even to those bullies who tormented him. It seems crazy to me, because why would I respect someone who offers no smidgen of respect towards me? Fuck those guys. And I suspect I'm not in the minority for holding that view. But it takes a certain kind of resoluteness to be able to turn the other cheek no matter what.
I find it pretty interesting that you say that because in middle/high school, I used to be like that, especially middle school. I wanted to fit in so bad, but at the same time, I also wanted to see the good in those bullies. Now, when I can tell that somebody doesn’t like me, I start to ponder as to why they don’t like me. However, I don’t try to get along with them, I only show them kindness and respect without showing my friendly side, if that makes sense. If they’re bullies, I’ll definitely think “fuck them,” but that only happens in my head. If it’s people who just don’t like me, I’ll think that it doesn’t even matter and I’ll at least try to move on. Even to this day, I still care about what people think, but I’m getting better at it now.
 

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"Sensitive" and "badass" aren't words that really go well together in my mind for some reason.
INFPs can sit in an uncomfortable feeling for hours, days, and even weeks just to get to the bottom of it. In a world where feelings are swept under the rug so often, where being self-aware is not valued as much, and where people who have been through tough times are often considered "damaged" or have "baggage", I think the INFP ability to sift through emotion extremely courageous and tough. I have found it's the F inferiors who have more trouble with feelings than F dominants, but I'm basing that on a small sample of people I know IRL.

I'm also certified to administer MBTI. It's nice to know others can as well. : )
 

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INFPs can sit in an uncomfortable feeling for hours, days, and even weeks just to get to the bottom of it. In a world where feelings are swept under the rug so often, where being self-aware is not valued as much, and where people who have been through tough times are often considered "damaged" or have "baggage", I think the INFP ability to sift through emotion extremely courageous and tough. I have found it's the F inferiors who have more trouble with feelings than F dominants, but I'm basing that on a small sample of people I know IRL.

I'm also certified to administer MBTI. It's nice to know others can as well. : )
Oh, so it's not just Asura who's a certified MBTI practitioner. I thought you were a criminologist?

I consider emotions to be something that "happens" to me, much the same way as the wind and rain comes when the weather changes. Even though I'm most likely a T, I am not oblivious to my own emotions; I can identify frustration or shock or sorrow as they occur. Such labels of my emotional states are an attempt to deny them full control over my faculties. I don't deny myself the emotional experience in itself, but as a Limbic T, these emotions tend to be fairly negative. It also doesn't help that I have low positive affectivity towards things, which I suspect has something to do with low dopamine production. Hence why I batten down the hatches and wait for the storm to pass.
 

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Oh, so it's not just Asura who's a certified MBTI practitioner. I thought you were a criminologist?

I consider emotions to be something that "happens" to me, much the same way as the wind and rain comes when the weather changes. Even though I'm most likely a T, I am not oblivious to my own emotions; I can identify frustration or shock or sorrow as they occur. Such labels of my emotional states are an attempt to deny them full control over my faculties. I don't deny myself the emotional experience in itself, but as a Limbic T, these emotions tend to be fairly negative. It also doesn't help that I have low positive affectivity towards things, which I suspect has something to do with low dopamine production. Hence why I batten down the hatches and wait for the storm to pass.
That's the way I am, too. I don't engage with or escelate my emotions, but I observe them because I find them fascinating. I can't say I do this 100% of the time - when my dad died, for example, I did this less than during other episodes of emotional upset. I'm currently working in depth psychology and am an expert witness in court in certain cases involving the mental soundness of criminals. My project with evaluating risk and predicting crinimal behavior concluded about 6 months ago. However, everyone with a MS degree in my state has to continue educational (CE) credits to remain licensed. The APA allows for MBTI training to count as CE. I wouldn't say I'm a practitioner, but that I can do it if someone requests it.

Also, I believe everyone in my state with a PhD in psychology is considered certified to administer psychological tests. I don't know what it's like in other states. I used to work with a psychometrician who specialized in testing for ADHD, Anxiety, and Defensiveness (one aspect of criminal behavior). She also hosted seminars on MBTI, but I don't think she was trained with it - I think she just did it as she was pretty much an expert at testing. So I know there are other avenues to being allowed to administer it.
 

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That's the way I am, too. I don't engage with or escelate my emotions, but I observe them because I find them fascinating. I can't say I do this 100% of the time - when my dad died, for example, I did this less than during other episodes of emotional upset. I'm currently working in depth psychology and am an expert witness in court in certain cases involving the mental soundness of criminals. My project with evaluating risk and predicting crinimal behavior concluded about 6 months ago. However, everyone with a MS degree in my state has to continue educational (CE) credits to remain licensed. The APA allows for MBTI training to count as CE. I wouldn't say I'm a practitioner, but that I can do it if someone requests it.

Also, I believe everyone in my state with a PhD in psychology is considered certified to administer psychological tests. I don't know what it's like in other states. I used to work with a psychometrician who specialized in testing for ADHD, Anxiety, and Defensiveness (one aspect of criminal behavior). She also hosted seminars on MBTI, but I don't think she was trained with it - I think she just did it as she was pretty much an expert at testing. So I know there are other avenues to being allowed to administer it.
I see, so your study of criminals was part of your ongoing job education.

Now I can say I've been typed as an INTP by someone certified to administer MBTI. Thanks.
 

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Per your request I'll go through this one too.

- My interests are Sport Stacking, music (classic/indie rock, metal, punk, hip hop, and mashups are my favorite genres), video games, drawing painting, and creating music mashups.
As I said in the other questionnaire, this could point towards Se, but that's not a necessity.

- I have a YouTube channel dedicated to Sport Stacking. It’s where you stack twelve cups in predetermined sequences as fast as you can without messing up. I’m on Team USA and I’ve been doing it for over a decade. I’ve met some amazing people throughout the journey.
That's really cool. No real incentives towards any specific type here, except that you focus on people here, which could in theory point towards some F-thing.

- I’m quite shy, reserved, private, and quiet for the most part. I never really fitted in to any particular group at school. I was the weird kid who would get picked on and bullied every day during middle school. I started to have terrible social anxiety because of it. High school was a little better, I was able to make acquaintances and a couple friends just fine, but still had some issues.
Social anxiety is really common in Fi-dominants. Inferior Te makes it hard to gauge the group reactions and Fi can make it hard to adjust to social factors. Getting bullied is sadly for all types, although it's probably more common for introverts? Not sure about that one. Just something I'm thinking up on the fly here.

- I prefer to form my own opinions and stances. I don’t like to argue or debate, but if I choose to, I usually try to be unbiased and not criticize, even though sometimes people’s opinions can annoy me. Although, I don’t really care too much if someone has a different opinion than me, they have a right to disagree. If I don’t have a full opinion or stance on something, I won’t judge it, but I might have some sort of impression, if that makes sense.
Very common for Fi. Fi listens intently to other's values but keeps its own. If Fi has formed a true stance on something it's often set in stone.

- My favorite bands are Pink Floyd, Tame Impala, Gorillaz, Linkin Park, Led Zeppelin, Nirvana, Evanescence, Kendrick Lamar, Jhene Aiko, Cold War Kids, Young the Giant, Radiohead, The Beatles, Cage the Elephant, DJs From Mars, and DJ Earworm.
Not sure if good taste in music is related to type, but I see that you're able to list a lot of things here that are meaningful to you. Ne is often good at generating lots of options. I'm already seeing dominant Fi, which coupled with Ne would again give us INFP.

- I daydream and introspect constantly. I have a lot of fantasies that surround my inner worlds, and I tend to switch back and forth between my inner world and outer world, kinda like Calvin and Hobbes.
This could be related to an intuitive function in one of the lead roles, but I can see ISFPs saying similar things. Another small point for INFP, but not a big one.

- I like to live in my head a lot. Living too much in the past, present or future could get me either depressed or stressed depending on the situation and how I'm feeling.
Common for all kinds of introverts. Fits well with either INFP or ISFP.

- I’m really into The End of the F***ing World, something about that show is so good. The writing is phenomenal. I also like Stranger Things, Black Mirror (my favorite), Always Sunny, Evangelion, and Rick and Morty.
Not sure how much type involved, but the whole tone fits with Fi.

- As a kid, I really enjoyed art. I would draw all the time, and loved using my imagination.
I see this more with INFP than ISFP, but both are often creative and imaginitive.

- I used to play Jak and Daxter, Smash Bros, all the James Bond and Star Wars games as a kid. I also enjoy Overwatch, Undertale, Skyrim, Fallout, and a little bit of Call of Duty.

- As for movies, the closest movie I can say that is my favorite is Pulp Fiction (so good).
Without more info on why you like these things, I don't think it'll help us much.

- I have High Functioning Autism (a secret I tend to keep from most people), and things can get very overwhelming sometimes. When there’s a problem I’m facing internally, I tend to dwell, obsess, and perseverate on it. Sometimes, I’ll dwell about certain things that have happened in the past. I feel like I’m trapped and can’t get out. The only way to calm me down is to sit down, relax, and listen to some music. It takes a while for me to calm down, but it’ll pass. It’s almost like a passing thunderstorm, if that makes sense.
Autism is not related to type I think but it helps in getting the complete picture.
There's a few things in functions that overlap with autistic traits so it can be really hard to seperate the two. Just something to keep in mind.

- I’m a very curious, yet cautious person. I’ll sometimes get a bit impulsive, but I don’t really like to take risks.
Leans a bit more towards Ne than Se.

- I like soft blankets.
Interestingly, I see this a lot with Si-users. Not sure if it's a type thing, but if it is, that's another point for INFP, which uses Si.

- I currently work at Walmart and it can be a pain a lot of the time. What I love most about the job is that I work in Lawn and Garden, and I’ll be at peace. Being outside and not having to deal with too many customers is pretty soothing to me. What I dislike the most is the register up front. Too much commotion and noise goes on and sometimes you’ll get that one nasty customer that blames their small problems on you, which would easily ruin my day.
I see a clear distaste for living in the moment (although I can imagine there's the sensory oversaturation + autism thing that can be a factor too). This makes me really skeptical towards possible Se. Again, INFP clearly wins out here.

- I only have a few friends, and I’m comfortable with that. I don’t go out that often and usually get most of my energy when I’m alone. However, I do value the time I spend with my family and friends. I just don’t like staying in crowded places for too long. I also like to go out for walks every once in a blue moon.
Fits very well with Fi dominant.

- I get anxious when meeting new people, but I’m better at it now.
Keep on developing that inferior Te. It's going to be a long road but eventually you'll feel comfortable.

- When I'm hanging out with a group with people, I prefer to stay quiet. I like one-on-one interaction and hate being the center of attention most of the time; it gets uncomfortable.
Fi functions best in one-on-one conversations. You can really focus on the other person and get a good grasp on how they work. The intent listening thing is stronger for INFPs than ISFPs.

- I used to jump around and run as a kid. Although, I have to be in the mood for any physical activity. I was never into playing sports, but I liked watching them.
Being very active as a kid can be an indicator for Se, but it has to be a consistent pattern across life. The rest of this points away from Se rather than towards it.

- I also like to work out, even though I’m a stick, haha.
Again, could point towards Se, but combined with the previous point, it doesn't seem like it.

- My parents think I can be idealistic and realistic, but more idealistic, which is pretty true for the most part.
Fits with Fi.

- I love animals, they’re so cool.
Again, personal interests first is Fi.

- I’ve never been to parties (except maybe one), and I’ve never been in a fight.
Again, no reason to think Se. INFP it is.

- I like going to concerts, but I can't stand loud noise.
Again, I've seen this as common for Si-users, although it's a more of a vague pattern I've seen than that I have any actual evidence for it.

- I don't talk or text people very often. I spend most of my time on the Internet. Although, I kind of used to hang out with friends a bit more than I do now.
Aversion from typical Fe and Se things, although no specific things.

- I’m a little sensitive to criticism. I’m even more sensitive when somebody yells at me, especially if they’re criticizing me.
Very common for Fi-dominants.

- I didn't talk at all until the age of 3, but the first thing I have ever learned was the alphabet and numbers.
I'd love to see some data about these kinds of things. I see these kinds of statments from Fi-dominants and Si-domintants sometimes, but the data is very sporadic. It would be great to have a clear indicator for something like this with young children.

- My parents say that I have a dreamer personality. They also said I was very bright eyed as a newborn.
Fits with introverted Ne-user.

- I tend to remember certain details, such as people's names, faces, date of births, etc. I used to have a better memory for those details as a kid then I do now.
That's Si. You have it tertiary and it's going to be developing a lot between 20 and 40. Keep up the good work on that.

All of this fits perfectly with my earlier idea of you being INFP. The pattern is very consistent.
 

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Per your request I'll go through this one too.



As I said in the other questionnaire, this could point towards Se, but that's not a necessity.



That's really cool. No real incentives towards any specific type here, except that you focus on people here, which could in theory point towards some F-thing.



Social anxiety is really common in Fi-dominants. Inferior Te makes it hard to gauge the group reactions and Fi can make it hard to adjust to social factors. Getting bullied is sadly for all types, although it's probably more common for introverts? Not sure about that one. Just something I'm thinking up on the fly here.



Very common for Fi. Fi listens intently to other's values but keeps its own. If Fi has formed a true stance on something it's often set in stone.



Not sure if good taste in music is related to type, but I see that you're able to list a lot of things here that are meaningful to you. Ne is often good at generating lots of options. I'm already seeing dominant Fi, which coupled with Ne would again give us INFP.



This could be related to an intuitive function in one of the lead roles, but I can see ISFPs saying similar things. Another small point for INFP, but not a big one.



Common for all kinds of introverts. Fits well with either INFP or ISFP.



Not sure how much type involved, but the whole tone fits with Fi.



I see this more with INFP than ISFP, but both are often creative and imaginitive.



Without more info on why you like these things, I don't think it'll help us much.



Autism is not related to type I think but it helps in getting the complete picture.
There's a few things in functions that overlap with autistic traits so it can be really hard to seperate the two. Just something to keep in mind.



Leans a bit more towards Ne than Se.



Interestingly, I see this a lot with Si-users. Not sure if it's a type thing, but if it is, that's another point for INFP, which uses Si.



I see a clear distaste for living in the moment (although I can imagine there's the sensory oversaturation + autism thing that can be a factor too). This makes me really skeptical towards possible Se. Again, INFP clearly wins out here.



Fits very well with Fi dominant.



Keep on developing that inferior Te. It's going to be a long road but eventually you'll feel comfortable.



Fi functions best in one-on-one conversations. You can really focus on the other person and get a good grasp on how they work. The intent listening thing is stronger for INFPs than ISFPs.



Being very active as a kid can be an indicator for Se, but it has to be a consistent pattern across life. The rest of this points away from Se rather than towards it.



Again, could point towards Se, but combined with the previous point, it doesn't seem like it.



Fits with Fi.



Again, personal interests first is Fi.



Again, no reason to think Se. INFP it is.



Again, I've seen this as common for Si-users, although it's a more of a vague pattern I've seen than that I have any actual evidence for it.



Aversion from typical Fe and Se things, although no specific things.



Very common for Fi-dominants.



I'd love to see some data about these kinds of things. I see these kinds of statments from Fi-dominants and Si-domintants sometimes, but the data is very sporadic. It would be great to have a clear indicator for something like this with young children.



Fits with introverted Ne-user.



That's Si. You have it tertiary and it's going to be developing a lot between 20 and 40. Keep up the good work on that.

All of this fits perfectly with my earlier idea of you being INFP. The pattern is very consistent.
Thanks for the reply on my other post. You’re actually the second person to pint out I have Si in the tertiary stack. As a 22 year old, I was thinking how that could manifest in my life at the moment compared to how it manifested as a kid. I’m also pretty glad to see that I have Fi. Don’t know why, but I just find it unique.

I’m still very much leaning on INFP for now. I’m still trying to find my type as carefully as I can without trying to rush into it too much, which I’ve been noticing a lot lately (basically becoming obsessive, lol). As for the newborn thing, they said I was very bright eyed, looked around the room, and didn’t seem to cry, which is interesting to me. I’m also interested how my other functions (my shadow functions) manifest in how I use them. I also wonder what functions I naturally prefer based on my thought process. Although, I will say, hearing other people’s insights have helped me greatly.
 

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SCENARIO 1

FOCUS ON YOUR FEELING PROCESS HERE


Your significant other just ended your 2 year relationship quite suddenly and with no apparent explanation. Up until this point you had both been talking about marriage and last week you even went to look at rings together. Now he/she won't even return your phone calls or texts. After talking with his/her family you find out that he/she has just been diagnosed with terminal stage 4 cancer.

- Describe how this scenario would make you feel as well as what sort of influences and motivations lie behind those feelings. Why do you feel the way you do?

I would instantly feel shocked and terrible once I would hear about the news. I just couldn’t believe what would be happening. I would probably be so upset to the point of feeling so vulnerable to the situation. I would feel so terrible for my SO to have such a disease. I couldn’t even imagine what that must be like, but I can only imagine that it must be extremely painful for them. I know it would just kill me inside to see them like that. If there was somebody I know that I love dearly that had stage 4 cancer, I would immediately be shocked, then conflicted and horrified, leading to sadness and possibly depression simply because they mean so much to me and I wouldn’t know exactly how to react to a situation like that.

- In this scenario what would you honestly say the primary focus of your feelings would be?

I’d probably be crying, upset, shaky, like I wouldn’t know what to do anymore. I know if I was this close to somebody, that’s probably how I would react. Like, I would just know that it would be very difficult for me to handle. Even though I’ve never been in that situation before, I just know it wouldn’t be pleasant for me.

SCENARIO 2

FOCUS ON YOUR FEELING PROCESS HERE


You are in college and this semester both you and your roommate end up in the same class together. You and your roommate get along fairly well and the living situation works but you aren't particularly close. You both typically do your own thing and are rather indifferent to each other. As the semester progresses you excel and become one of the top students in the class whereas your roommate is struggling significantly to grasp the material. The professor assigns a fairly challenging take home test that is a significant portion of your grade. He/she makes it clear that while it is open book, students are to work alone. Later your roommate comes to you begging for help after struggling with the test most of the weekend. You have already completed the assignment and he/she isn't asking to copy your answers, just to help tutor and mentor them as they struggle to complete the test, so there is no way your professor would ever know. However, this is the first time your room-mate has asked you for help this semester. He/she makes it clear that how they do on this test could mean the difference between passing and failing this class.

- How do you respond to your roommate’s request and why?

I tell him that I’ll be more than willing to help him with the material, but not the test itself because that would pretty much feel like cheating.

- What sort of things in this scenario stand out to you as far as having a strong influence on your decision making and why?

I think it’s important to help someone out if they’re struggling. However, if it’s focused on a test that you’re supposed to do yourself, then I would much rather do the right thing like going over the material we’ve learned in class, than to help them cheat, such as going over the test. However, I do think it’s good that they don’t want to see my answers. If they did, I would immediately have said no.

- Describe the flow of your decision making process.

I do not mind if someone comes over to me for help because I know if I was in their situation, I would want somebody to help me as well. I could care less if we’re not even that close, but if I trust you enough, then yes, I would be more than willing to help. Even if it’s open book, I would rather give someone the knowledge, then to give them the answers, cause that just wouldn’t feel right if I just straight up gave them the answers.

SCENARIO 3

FOCUS ON YOUR LOGIC AND THINKING PROCESS HERE


Your boss calls you into his/her office in order to assign you to a new project. He/she gives you a choice between two.

Project 1 is a rather broad, expansive project covering multiple areas of company operations. It has the potential to have a very significant impact on company operations but it would require a collective effort and an extensive amount of group work where you would be logically thinking through the project together with the group of individuals your boss has also assigned to it.

Project 2 has a much more specific and narrow focus and would require a significant amount of in depth individual analysis to work through the problem. You would be working alone and the completion of the project may or may not have much impact on company operations. However, after complete the process and problem you were working on will be streamlined and fundamentally understood.

- Which project appeals to you the most, as it relates to the way you prefer to logically process information? Why?

This scenario was very hard to understand because of how vague it was, but if I really had to guess, I would choose Project 2 simply because It’s easier and if I have any questions, I can always ask for help or clarification. I like to work alone most of the time because it gives me time to finish the job faster, I will feel free to do whatever I want, and there won’t be any interruptions.

- What sort of things in this scenario, across either project, stood out to you as having a strong influence on your decision? Why?

It depends on whether I want to choose Project 1 or 2 because both seem alright with me, but Project 2 seemed a bit easier simply because working alone, or with two or three more people is much more comfortable with me. However, I can understand why Project 1 needs more people involved, since working on that alone would be a complete nightmare. I don’t always mind working in a group, as long as we get the job done. It would be nice to lead the way for once though, but that would seem hard for me.

SCENARIO 4

FOCUS ON YOUR LOGIC AND THINKING PROCESS HERE


Your college professor has assigned you to a group project with 3 other individuals. All 3 of these individuals have a good strong work ethic and desire to contribute to the overall success of this project. You are at the first meeting of your group and the other members are tossing around valuable ideas as to the nature and direction of this project.

- Describe your behavior in this situation as you process and think about the ideas they are presenting.

I’d mainly be the one listening because I’m not too comfortable talking to groups of people and would prefer a one-on-one conversation. However, I would also listen to other people’s ideas and see where they would go. If I had a cool idea on my own, I would definitely share it. If no one else has any idea, I would try to come up with my own just to get the project going. I would also be skeptical to any criticism that comes my way because I take things too personal sometimes, but I would also think it’s important to listen.

- Describe what major influences drive this behavior.

It would depend on the people I’m grouped up with. If it’s with people I’m comfortable with, I’ll be able to speak up more than with people I’m not familiar with simply because I used to have horrible social anxiety. However, it’s definitely a lot better now, but I’ll still be a bit more quiet either way. As for ideas, I do like hearing other people’s ideas, as it energizes me more than talking, and I would definitely be more than happy to share my ideas with the group and see if works with the group.

SCENARIO 5

FOCUS ON THE SOURCES YOU DRAW NON-PHYSICAL ENERGY FROM HERE


It has been a very long week and you feel mentally and emotionally drained, but good news! It is Saturday and you have nothing significant that needs to be done. You FINALLY have some free time to yourself to recharge your batteries and do whatever you want.

- Describe what sort of activities would help you to recharge. What would you enjoy doing after a long week and why?

Quite a few activities come to mind. Mostly relaxing/chilling. I like to watch Netflix/YouTube videos, Sport Stacking, drawing, get on Ableton to create some music mashups, listening to music, and doing some creative writing.

- What sort of things do you feel you draw non-physical energy from doing?

Definitely daydreaming. Sometimes I like to go into my own little worlds and just imagine myself being a 007 agent, or a big actor/rock star, or just my regular self as the main character in his own show. If I listen to music, I’ll usually daydream a music video, sometimes even a scenario within that music video, or I might even get so lost in thought that I would forget I was listening to music.

SCENARIO 6

FOCUS ON THINKING VS FEELING HERE


You have a meeting with your college career counselor to discuss potential careers that interest you. He/she offers you a list of the following careers and asks you to pick your TOP 3. He/she asks you to take money out of the equation. Imagine all of these careers received equal compensation. Focus instead on where you would truly feel most happy and fulfilled.

Artist, Scientist, Actor, Engineer, Musician, Lawyer, Counselor, Entrepreneur, Teacher, Manager, Psychologist, Computer Programmer / Analyst, Clergy, Child Care, Medical Doctor

- What were your top 3 choices and what aspects of these careers appeal to you?

Artist, Musician, and Actor.

- Was it difficult or easy to pick only 3 and why?

Pretty easy because the first thing I saw was “artist,” and thought, “yes, I’m definitely going with this as well as musician.”

- Prioritize the aspects of your career choices that influenced your decision, what things mattered most to you, where do you imagine finding the most fulfillment and why?

Artist and Musician mattered the most to me simply because I was so draw to both art and music as a child and I’m still drawn to them both as of right now. Actor was the third because I would always daydream myself as a famous actor and wonder what it must be like behind a camera, pretending to be a different person with a different personality. I also daydream of being a musician, but I’ve been practicing guitar recently and I quite like it.

SCENARIO 7

Click on the image below and pay close attention to the things that jump out to you, objects, thoughts, feelings, impressions, ideas etc. What do you see?

- Describe the main things that stand out to you in this picture.

The main things that stood out to me first was the brightness/sunlight that illuminated through the darkness, and the green tress that stood below it.

- Why do you think/feel you focused on those things?

I felt that the green trees looked pretty lonely and wonder if they’ll ever see the time of day, despite having some sunlight. Now, the first thing I thought of when I first saw it was, “Wow, that’s a nice picture.” I like looking at pictures that look artsy to me.

- Describe the strength with which this photo did or did not appeal to you and why?

I felt like this picture was a bit too dim than what I’m used to. I like to look at pictures that are abstract or have bright colors, or a beautiful scenery because they’re usually the ones that stand out to me the most.

(To see the picture it was talking about: click here!)
 

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I haven't changed my mind about the type I gave you (INFP) according to your answers above, but I also think it might be interesting for you to look into Se PoLR (point of least resistence) or Se in the 7th function or "trickster" (that would be according to the 8 stack Beebe model). My husband is an INTP and I don't see such distinct examples of Se PoLR as I do with you. INXPs have Se PoLR and I get the vague sense that you're more irritated/overwhelmed with Se than any other function.
 

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I haven't changed my mind about the type I gave you (INFP) according to your answers above, but I also think it might be interesting for you to look into Se PoLR (point of least resistence) or Se in the 7th function or "trickster" (that would be according to the 8 stack Beebe model). My husband is an INTP and I don't see such distinct examples of Se PoLR as I do with you. INXPs have Se PoLR and I get the vague sense that you're more irritated/overwhelmed with Se than any other function.
I was actually just thinking about that last night when I was watching a few YouTube videos about Socionics and the PoLR function. Mind if you can you give me examples for curiosity? I would definitely love to know, lol.
 

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Physical ability, though ... hmm, if anything maybe that would be linked to Se? I don't really know. I've never really considered type and physical ability much. I guess Se types have a much better appreciation for spacial reality so maybe them?
Uhh ... Not quite.

Se is outward oriented in the world of objects ... The whole of the earth is a playground. Everything that exists on earth is something I'm attuned to and I can manipulate --- only as long as the object is appealing to me in some way. It does need to be appealing.

I can orient myself in its direction with ease and it comes naturally for a great many things ... Jack of all/master of none kinda comes from that imo.

It doesn't however gift me the ability. The closest I would describe "ability" to is FLOW. Where some sort of chemical reaction happens that allows me to transcend my average ability into greatness for a short period of time. This however, appears to others as natural ability -- but to me it's just my body and mind melding as one as I engage myself with a task relating to objects in the external world. I think in those moments all of S/T/F/N are in some sort of a harmony ... Like an orchestra of finely tuned instruments with Sensation leading the way.

The thing I will say is that when it comes to improv and manipulation of sound and music I do have natural ability. I have often wondered how much it's type related and how little, but I doubt that it is. One thing I will say though is that I can "do" music without thinking about music and the harmony creates/plays itself.

For the longest time I thought that every musician could do improv, but it took me a long time to realize that this isn't something that comes easy to a lot of people -- and so I have started thinking about it in terms of Jungian functions, but I don't really have many answers for it.
 

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Uhh ... Not quite.

Se is outward oriented in the world of objects ... The whole of the earth is a playground. Everything that exists on earth is something I'm attuned to and I can manipulate --- only as long as the object is appealing to me in some way. It does need to be appealing.

I can orient myself in its direction with ease and it comes naturally for a great many things ... Jack of all/master of none kinda comes from that imo.

It doesn't however gift me the ability. The closest I would describe "ability" to is FLOW. Where some sort of chemical reaction happens that allows me to transcend my average ability into greatness for a short period of time. This however, appears to others as natural ability -- but to me it's just my body and mind melding as one as I engage myself with a task relating to objects in the external world. I think in those moments all of S/T/F/N are in some sort of a harmony ... Like an orchestra of finely tuned instruments with Sensation leading the way.

The thing I will say is that when it comes to improv and manipulation of sound and music I do have natural ability. I have often wondered how much it's type related and how little, but I doubt that it is. One thing I will say though is that I can "do" music without thinking about music and the harmony creates/plays itself.

For the longest time I thought that every musician could do improv, but it took me a long time to realize that this isn't something that comes easy to a lot of people -- and so I have started thinking about it in terms of Jungian functions, but I don't really have many answers for it.
I like this description of Se, giving out a clear example of how it manifests in your life without it being too vague, if that makes any sense, haha.
 

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@danthemanklein ok, so I read everything.

the certainties and the very likelys are:
You are definitely a F. Don't even bother with the T types.
You are most likely a Fi user, not a Fe one. You almost certainly are not an ESFP

So that leaves INFP, ENFP & ISFP. I came to the same conclusion as many others that most likely it's INFP.

The only thing that may pose problems is you having High Functioning Autism
and things can get very overwhelming sometimes.
this may make an ENFP seem like an INFP.

I'm a little taken aback because you said you were stuck so I was expecting a whole entangled mess of contradictions spanning all 16 types and I found a relatively clear case of INFP, with ISFP&ENFP as other possibilities, which is very common. I don't think you are stuck, it's just a matter of confirmation beyond doubt, because INFP is very likely.

The best way is through the inferior; do you relate to this (Te): How Functions Work: Inferior Te (ISFP/INFP) - Type Theory
vs. inf Si: How Functions Work: Inferior Si (ENTP/ENFP) - Type Theory

Dominant Fi (lower, under Ti): The Principles of Cognitive Function Theory MBTI-notes - Type Theory

About Enn, I tend to agree with Brightflashes, that, whatever type you are, you are a SO (social) subtype. I'm not sure, I find Enn very confusing and I don't know much, as I said. This is a link to instinctual subtypes in depth: https://theenneagramatwork.com/instinctual-subtypes/




@danthemanklein Edit: I tried to attach some word docs and I couldn't; I had some explanations for all 9 ENN types saved in my computer, but uploading docs is not allowed. And copy-pasting here for 4,5,6 & 9 is A LOT, this would become a post of 3 pg.

here are the web links for what I had as doc:
http://www.enneagramcentral.com/Enneagram/TheNineStyles.htm
(this is just an introductory page, on the left are the links to types, each divided in chapters: you have to choose for each type which sub-chapter you want to go to, they're not on the same page. I think it's from here that I read that Enn types depend on your [especially early] childhood experiences; that is how I chose 4 over 5: 4 is abandonment [not necessarily abandoned by birth parents, but some situation that made you feel that way, leaving a trauma], 5 is intrusion [by others-parents or other relatives].)

https://www.enneagram.net/types.html

http://typewatchenneagram.blogspot.ro/2011/06/typewatch-enneagram-type-descriptions.html

And the possible Enn. mistypes:
https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/misidentifications-of-enneagram-personality-types/


Also:
4: http://personalitycafe.com/type-4-forum-individualist/446698-core-beliefs-4s-according-beatrice-chestnut.html
http://personalitycafe.com/type-4-forum-individualist/211242-self-preservation-four-description-according-beatrice-chestnut.html
http://personalitycafe.com/type-4-forum-individualist/205114-sexual-four-description-according-beatrice-chestnut.html
http://personalitycafe.com/type-4-forum-individualist/214202-social-four-description-according-beatrice-chestnut.html

5: http://personalitycafe.com/type-5-forum-investigator/445666-core-beliefs-5s-according-beatrice-chestnut.html
http://personalitycafe.com/type-5-forum-investigator/735722-self-preservation-fives-according-beatrice-chestnut.html#post24110426
http://personalitycafe.com/head-triad-types-5-6-7/220953-sexual-fives-according-beatrice-chestnut.html
http://personalitycafe.com/head-triad-types-5-6-7/211674-social-fives-according-beatrice-chestnut.html

6: http://personalitycafe.com/type-6-forum-loyalist/446570-core-beliefs-6-according-beatrice-chestnut.html
http://personalitycafe.com/type-6-forum-loyalist/359346-self-preservation-sixes-according-beatrice-chestnut.html
http://personalitycafe.com/type-6-forum-loyalist/366066-sexual-sixes-according-beatrice-chestnut.html
http://personalitycafe.com/type-6-forum-loyalist/366034-social-sixes-according-beatrice-chestnut.html

9: http://personalitycafe.com/type-9-forum-peacemaker/446610-core-beliefs-9s-according-beatrice-chestnut.html
http://personalitycafe.com/type-9-forum-peacemaker/724914-self-preservation-nines-according-beatrice-chestnut.html
http://personalitycafe.com/type-9-forum-peacemaker/735762-sexual-nines-according-beatrice-chestnut.html#post24111738
http://personalitycafe.com/type-9-forum-peacemaker/730458-social-nines-according-beatrice-chestnut.html

youtube Enn channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/jennywawa88/videos
 

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@danthemanklein ok, so I read everything.

the certainties and the very likelys are:
You are definitely a F. Don't even bother with the T types.
You are most likely a Fi user, not a Fe one. You almost certainly are not an ESFP

So that leaves INFP, ENFP & ISFP. I came to the same conclusion as many others that most likely it's INFP.

The only thing that may pose problems is you having High Functioning Autism this may make an ENFP seem like an INFP.

I'm a little taken aback because you said you were stuck so I was expecting a whole entangled mess of contradictions spanning all 16 types and I found a relatively clear case of INFP, with ISFP&ENFP as other possibilities, which is very common. I don't think you are stuck, it's just a matter of confirmation beyond doubt, because INFP is very likely.

The best way is through the inferior; do you relate to this (Te): How Functions Work: Inferior Te (ISFP/INFP) - Type Theory
vs. inf Si: How Functions Work: Inferior Si (ENTP/ENFP) - Type Theory

Dominant Fi (lower, under Ti): The Principles of Cognitive Function Theory MBTI-notes - Type Theory

About Enn, I tend to agree with Brightflashes, that, whatever type you are, you are a SO (social) subtype. I'm not sure, I find Enn very confusing and I don't know much, as I said. This is a link to instinctual subtypes in depth: https://theenneagramatwork.com/instinctual-subtypes/




@danthemanklein Edit: I tried to attach some word docs and I couldn't; I had some explanations for all 9 ENN types saved in my computer, but uploading docs is not allowed. And copy-pasting here for 4,5,6 & 9 is A LOT, this would become a post of 3 pg.

here are the web links for what I had as doc:
Enneagram Central
(this is just an introductory page, on the left are the links to types, each divided in chapters: you have to choose for each type which sub-chapter you want to go to, they're not on the same page. I think it's from here that I read that Enn types depend on your [especially early] childhood experiences; that is how I chose 4 over 5: 4 is abandonment [not necessarily abandoned by birth parents, but some situation that made you feel that way, leaving a trauma], 5 is intrusion [by others-parents or other relatives].)

https://www.enneagram.net/types.html

Typewatch Enneagram: Typewatch Enneagram Type Descriptions

And the possible Enn. mistypes:
https://www.enneagraminstitute.com/misidentifications-of-enneagram-personality-types/


Also:
4: http://personalitycafe.com/type-4-forum-individualist/446698-core-beliefs-4s-according-beatrice-chestnut.html
http://personalitycafe.com/type-4-forum-individualist/211242-self-preservation-four-description-according-beatrice-chestnut.html
http://personalitycafe.com/type-4-forum-individualist/205114-sexual-four-description-according-beatrice-chestnut.html
http://personalitycafe.com/type-4-forum-individualist/214202-social-four-description-according-beatrice-chestnut.html

5: http://personalitycafe.com/type-5-forum-investigator/445666-core-beliefs-5s-according-beatrice-chestnut.html
http://personalitycafe.com/type-5-forum-investigator/735722-self-preservation-fives-according-beatrice-chestnut.html#post24110426
http://personalitycafe.com/head-triad-types-5-6-7/220953-sexual-fives-according-beatrice-chestnut.html
http://personalitycafe.com/head-triad-types-5-6-7/211674-social-fives-according-beatrice-chestnut.html

6: http://personalitycafe.com/type-6-forum-loyalist/446570-core-beliefs-6-according-beatrice-chestnut.html
http://personalitycafe.com/type-6-forum-loyalist/359346-self-preservation-sixes-according-beatrice-chestnut.html
http://personalitycafe.com/type-6-forum-loyalist/366066-sexual-sixes-according-beatrice-chestnut.html
http://personalitycafe.com/type-6-forum-loyalist/366034-social-sixes-according-beatrice-chestnut.html

9: http://personalitycafe.com/type-9-forum-peacemaker/446610-core-beliefs-9s-according-beatrice-chestnut.html
http://personalitycafe.com/type-9-forum-peacemaker/724914-self-preservation-nines-according-beatrice-chestnut.html
http://personalitycafe.com/type-9-forum-peacemaker/735762-sexual-nines-according-beatrice-chestnut.html#post24111738
http://personalitycafe.com/type-9-forum-peacemaker/730458-social-nines-according-beatrice-chestnut.html
Hey, thanks for the reply! It's interesting to hear ENFP as a possibility, but from my personal experience, I think I tend to grip on Te more than Si. I really don't like being told what to do, and especially when to do it. For example, my parents would want to me to do chores, but my immediate response would be, "can I do it later?" They'll ask what time, and I'll give them a time that's within 30 minutes. They don't always like my response, but I do get them done eventually, just not in the moment when they ask me. I think the whole "they might want something from me" relates to that.

I don't know if this relates to inferior Te, but the times where I do feel like myself, is when I get abrasive, argumentative, critical, and lash out at others without second thought. I work at WalMart and sometimes it gets slightly irritating to me when a customer will ask me something when I'm working on something alone, but I'm not gonna be rude or disrespectful cause I know they just need help, and it's my job to help anyway. I was talking to brightflashes the other day, and she noticed that my sensitivities lie in the Te/Se domains after sharing my job experiences. I remember on Reddit someone pointed out that I had tertiary Si. Not sure if this lads to low Si, but I have a tendency to fixate on things and get in my head about it, which seem like looping to me.

As for the other links on the Enneagram, that's a lot of information, but I'm definitely open to know if I wanna get my type right, lol. Also, sorry if I gave you the impression that I'm stuck. I know there are a good amount of types that I am not (pretty much the E and T types don't seem to apply to me). I'm just still trying to find my type, if that makes sense, but that lands in the I and F types the most. But yeah, thank you so much for the advice and insight.
 

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I don't know if this relates to inferior Te, but the times where I do feel like myself, is when I get abrasive, argumentative, critical, and lash out at others without second thought.
You mean when you don't feel like yourself, right?
The negative sides of the inferior come out when there's a lot of stress, and even if it's not a full blown inf grip, you still get to feel "not like yourself".

Yes, that sounds like inf. Te, as long as it is a "whoa, was that me?" feeling about it, combined with shame, maybe guilt because the inf function is how you DON'T want to be: the dom is the positive example, like a person you look up to, the inf is the negative one, like the person you've always hoped you'll never become. The relation to your inf is described as a love-hate one, you will have admiration for Te doms (if Te is your inf) and some moments you wish you were like them, while also despising their world view and regretting your moments of wanting to be like them.

You can also confirm the inf. (the dom-inf axis, actually) by the relation you have with it since childhood: it's like a counterweight, an opposing tail to your head (the dom-inf axis is like a spine), like I wrote here: http://personalitycafe.com/whats-my-personality-type/1266490-who-am-i-type-2.html#17

about INFP vs ISFP:
the tert reacts differently than the aux, but, unlike the dom-inf axis, here may be A LOT of variations by too many variables: age, environment you grew up in, environment you are in now, traumas etc. At your age, theoretically you should be in the process of tertiary development: many times this makes the tert overinflated.

Auxiliary Se (ISxP): Dominant Ti and Fi have a tendency to be self-centered because of relying too much on personal knowledge/experience to evaluate situations. Therefore, the auxiliary Se function should be used to gather empirical knowledge about the world, to expand the self through real-world experiences instead of relying too heavily on myopic judgments. ISTPs should explore a variety of interests and experiences in order to refine their knowledge of the world towards greater accuracy and competence in problem solving. ISFPs should explore a variety of interests and experiences in order to discover how they can actualize their personal values in the world and achieve a feeling of congruency. Without adventurous and active Se exploration, these two types do not get enough exposure to new experiences, often too superficial in judgment and short-sighted in decision making, unable to see just how limited their personal point-of-view really is.

Development of the auxiliary function tends to go more smoothly if the environment is conducive to its growth. But without ideal conditions, the early years of auxiliary Se development are likely to involve repression and the later years are likely to involve overindulgence (which sets the stage for subsequent tertiary development); however, an individual can show signs of both when under stress because of suffering frequent mental disruptions.

Repressing Se development: unadventurous, often lazy or apathetic, dismissive of new experiences, prejudges situations (without gathering any firsthand knowledge); unable to adapt well, dismisses criticism; unable to accept new factual information if it requires a change in attitude/lifestyle; unwilling to work hard for anything
Overindulging Se: impulsive, recklessly chases stimulating experiences out of boredom; prone to getting addicted to sensory stimulation; greedy, vain about physical appearances, selfish in putting oneself before others; aimless, drifts through life evading responsibility, does not think about consequences; cannot focus enough to learn well
Healthy Ti-Se: Your main goal is to fix problems quickly and effectively. Se should help you gather better firsthand, factual, systematic knowledge so that you can make correct judgments, correct any bad judgments, and address problems with a realistic and adaptable mindset. You prioritize the need for straightforward and practical problem solving and do not wish to overcomplicate matters.
Healthy Fi-Se: Your main goal is to stay true to your moral feelings and personal values but in a manner that is also congruent with what happens in the world. Se should help you gather firsthand, factual, experiential knowledge so that you can explore different kinds of value systems and adapt more readily to moral challenges, better able to actualize your values through seeing and promoting beauty in the world. You prioritize how you feel in the here and now and do not wish to overthink things.

Auxiliary Ne (INxP): Dominant Ti and Fi have a tendency to be self-centered because of relying too much on personal knowledge/experience to evaluate situations. Therefore, the auxiliary Ne function should be used to gather more interesting ideas, to consider a wider range of possibilities about who/what they can be/do instead of relying too heavily on myopic judgments. INTPs should explore a variety of intellectual interests in order to refine their understanding of the world towards greater precision and discover the best solutions to problems. INFPs should explore a variety of personal passions in order to discover how to be their best self in the world and achieve a feeling of congruency. Without mind-opening Ne exploration, these two types do not get enough exposure to the true range of possibilities in the world, often too messy in thought and impractical in decision making, unable to see just how small/rudimentary their ideas really are.

Development of the auxiliary function tends to go more smoothly if the environment is conducive to its growth. But without ideal conditions, the early years of auxiliary Ne development are likely to involve repression and the later years are likely to involve overindulgence (which sets the stage for subsequent tertiary development); however, an individual can show signs of both when under stress because of suffering frequent mental disruptions.

Repressing Ne development: closed-minded, often passive or apathetic, dismissive of new ideas, prejudges situations (without seeing their positive potential); unable to adapt well to change, deflects criticism; unable to accept good ideas if it requires a change in attitude/lifestyle; unwilling to work hard for progress
Overindulging Ne: unrealistic, mired in a messy mind and pursues impractical ideas; prone to chasing (and getting addicted to) intellectual stimulation/fantasy out of boredom; idealistic to a fault, ignores warning/danger signs, unwilling to acknowledge negativity, struggles with feeling disappointed or let down by reality or negative outcomes; cannot focus enough to learn in depth
Healthy Ti-Ne: Your main goal is to find the best solution to the problem you are focused on. Ne should help you mentally manipulate system variables/configurations and visualize a variety of solutions so that you can better deconstruct problems and calculate which solution is best. You prioritize the need to patiently explore conceptual possibilities in order to find solutions that can maximize improvement or progress.
Healthy Fi-Ne: Your main goal is to stay true to your moral ideals and personal values but in a manner that is also congruent with what is best for the world around you. Ne should help you explore different possibilities and adapt more creatively to moral challenges, better able to actualize your ideals through a hopeful attitude and aspirational action in the world. You prioritize the need to explore conceptual potential in order to find imaginative ways to foster human/individual growth and well-being.
Tertiary Si (INxP): As these two types overindulge Ne, they become increasingly unfocused, impractical, and idealistic to a fault. Therefore, the tertiary Si function should be used to bring them back down to earth. When a person listens to the need for tertiary Si development, they will suddenly start to value being more: focused, practical, organized, physically healthy, attentive to the impact of sensory details, responsible in following through with tasks. If one resists Si development, overindulgence of Ne is likely to lead to increasingly negative consequences, perhaps repeatedly shooting oneself in the foot by indulging fantasies that never produce any real progress or improvement. However, if Ne has remained chronically underdeveloped for whatever reason, a person is likely to develop serious Si looping tendencies in adulthood as a lame attempt to cope with development failure. With Si looping, they can continually excuse the lack of Ne development and justify remaining in old comfort zones. Unfortunately, over time, this produces a creeping sense of stagnation that can lead to inferior Te/Fe grip.

defensive loop tendencies: unimaginative, mentally inflexible, unable to see the bright side, unable to visualize positive potential even when wanting to; stubborn and fussy about doing things a particular (known) way; unnecessarily confines oneself to routines or comfort zones and then feels stuck; cannot see that one’s bad state of life is due to excessively narrow judgment; trusts in preexisting knowledge even when it leads to negative results; cannot help but define oneself by past behavior/events even when trying to break free from old patterns; uncompromising about cherished beliefs/values, suspicious of advice, resistant to new ideas, shoots down good ideas; abnormal relationship to physical health; feels misunderstood and isolated from the world; dislikes status quo but resigned to it; only notices details that confirm negative worldview; obsesses about past events or missteps; broods about insignificant details or overindulges fantasy with the unconscious intent to repress the need for growth and improvement
Ti-Si loop dynamics: dwells in past knowledge and experiences in order to obtain intellectual security and/or justification of bad judgments -> but fails to make any progress because of mistakenly assuming that the past has already written the future, resulting in paralysis that stokes inferior Fe fears about being completely inept and/or incapable of feeling strongly about anything ->
Fi-Si loop dynamics: dwells in past feelings and experiences in order to obtain emotional security and/or justification of bad judgments -> but fails to make any progress because of mistakenly assuming that the past has already written the future, resulting in paralysis that stokes inferior Te fears about being completely worthless and inconsequential ->

Tertiary Ni (ISxP): As these two types overindulge Se, they become increasingly impulsive, irresponsible, and aimless. Therefore, the tertiary Ni function should be used to reflect on finding better meaning/purpose in life. When a person listens to the need for tertiary Ni development, they will suddenly start to value being more: focused, disciplined, reflective, patient, creative, insightful about implications, attentive to personal potential, responsible about setting good practical life goals. If one resists Ni development, overindulgence of Se is likely to lead to increasingly negative consequences, perhaps repeatedly shooting oneself in the foot by indulging fleeting and hollow whims that eventually make one numb to genuine enjoyment. However, if Se has remained chronically underdeveloped for whatever reason, a person is likely to develop serious Ni looping tendencies in adulthood as a lame attempt to cope with development failure. With Ni looping, they can continually excuse the lack of Se development and justify laziness or inaction. Unfortunately, over time, this produces a creeping sense of restlessness that can lead to inferior Te/Fe grip.

defensive loop tendencies: irrationally distrustful mindset, cannot bring oneself to have faith in anything or anyone even when wanting to; unconsciously paranoid about being restricted/confined; prone to being passive, negative, pessimistic, cynical, self-defeating, fatalistic; unable to emotionally invest in new/interesting experiences even when wanting to; unwilling to take responsibility for consequences; unwilling to confront the poor state of one’s life, never does anything to improve upon the current situation; prone to shallow thinking and oversimplified judgments; feels like a lone wolf, unwilling to fit in, perceives oneself as destined to drift through life, feels as though nothing will really change no matter what one does; doesn’t answer to anyone, randomly disappears from social life; pursues “alternative” lifestyle choices, engages in antisocial or unproductive behaviors as an immature means to express “independence” or “individuality”; believes in random “mystical signs” that don’t really mean anything; ignores the plain facts and sticks with oversimplified judgments with the unconscious intent to repress the dire need for better life direction
Ti-Ni loop dynamics: only sees the superficial aspects of a situation and uses that to justify problematic beliefs or bad choices -> but ultimately cannot find any point in any experience because of having no way to properly verify the veracity of one’s worldview, resulting in a nihilistic point-of-view that stokes inferior Fe fatalism about being perpetually alone in an unforgiving world ->
Fi-Ni loop dynamics: only sees the superficial aspects of a situation and uses that to justify problematic values or bad choices -> but can never find any meaningful direction in life because of having no way to verify the worthiness of one’s value system, resulting in self-defeating thinking patterns that stoke inferior Te fatalism about being a hopelessly lost cause who never contributes anything of value to the world.
(taken from here: The Principles of Cognitive Function Theory MBTI-notes - Type Theory and: The Principles of Cognitive Function Theory MBTI-notes - Type Theory )
 

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You mean when you don't feel like yourself, right?
The negative sides of the inferior come out when there's a lot of stress, and even if it's not a full blown inf grip, you still get to feel "not like yourself".

Yes, that sounds like inf. Te, as long as it is a "whoa, was that me?" feeling about it, combined with shame, maybe guilt because the inf function is how you DON'T want to be: the dom is the positive example, like a person you look up to, the inf is the negative one, like the person you've always hoped you'll never become. The relation to your inf is described as a love-hate one, you will have admiration for Te doms (if Te is your inf) and some moments you wish you were like them, while also despising their world view and regretting your moments of wanting to be like them.

You can also confirm the inf. (the dom-inf axis, actually) by the relation you have with it since childhood: it's like a counterweight, an opposing tail to your head (the dom-inf axis is like a spine), like I wrote here: http://personalitycafe.com/whats-my-personality-type/1266490-who-am-i-type-2.html#17

about INFP vs ISFP:
the tert reacts differently than the aux, but, unlike the dom-inf axis, here may be A LOT of variations by too many variables: age, environment you grew up in, environment you are in now, traumas etc. At your age, theoretically you should be in the process of tertiary development: many times this makes the tert overinflated.



(taken from here: The Principles of Cognitive Function Theory MBTI-notes - Type Theory and: The Principles of Cognitive Function Theory MBTI-notes - Type Theory )
Yeah, I meant to say when I don't feel like myself (stupid typo, lol). Generally, I'm not an aggressive or abrasive person who lashes out at people for no reason. Sure, I may not always be the most passive (at least not with people I'm comfortable with), but the moments I do get critical, argumentative, abrasive, aggressive, and overly angry, I definitely tend to think, "that was probably a terrible idea...," especially when you take into account the "without second thought" part of my comment. I'll even apologize for my behavior if I happened to hurt someone, and I really don't like hurting people. I think another example of inferior Te might be not being able to get stuff done/procrastination; whether it'd be finishing a school assignment or a task at work. Although, I could be wrong with that example, haha.

As for the second part, as I said, holy crap, there's so much information. However, I do appreciate the help, but as you said, there's plenty of variations that go into play. I like mbti-notes, but there's a lot of information out there about the cognitive functions that seem a little vague to me. I think another good word for low Si would be "perseveration," (fixation) but I also could be wrong with that example, since it may relate to HFA than anything else, if that makes sense.
 

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Generally, I'm not an aggressive or abrasive person who lashes out at people for no reason. Sure, I may not always be the most passive (at least not with people I'm comfortable with), but the moments I do get critical, argumentative, abrasive, aggressive, and overly angry, I definitely tend to think, "that was probably a terrible idea...," especially when you take into account the "without second thought" part of my comment. I'll even apologize for my behavior if I happened to hurt someone, and I really don't like hurting people.
Yes, that sounds like Te inf. As long as it's sth. you do for a longer period (at least hours, most likely days, even weeks) and not the "snapping" thing that has nothing to do with functions but with anger management or with the nervous system's lability (calm vs limbic dichotomy). People who are like that also usually regret their actions; the difference is Te inf is more bossing people around as opposed to the Fi dom's normal caring behaviour.

Like, if you read an ESTJ stereotypical description on the net, all the negative parts of it coming out in you. Actually, that is a good test: see if you identify you in these periods of time when you lash out with all the bad things you can find in some end-of-test-given description of ESTJ (micromanaging, bossing people around, tyrant). After a state like that you don't just regret the way you treated others, but feel that you were acting like another person with totally different personality traits, traits you would like to have if you were to handle them well, but you didn't, you handled them horribly, turning them into the worst behaviour possible.

This part, not necessarily Te inf:
I think another example of inferior Te might be not being able to get stuff done/procrastination; whether it'd be finishing a school assignment or a task at work.
Any type can be a procrastinator, even the ExTJs (they may be frustrated and unmotivated). But it's more common among Ps than among Js. ENFPs are also big procrastinators, so it's not a differentiator.

I see you chose INFP above your picture. I agree, it was the most likely.
 

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I think i said you might be INFx before. This time i see more Fi than anything, also some Se and some Ni, which is why i would also say IxFP with ISFP as the more probable answer.

The reason i saw INFJ in you was because i saw some Ni, but i used to lean more towards INFP because Fi was stronger and it seemed supported by some sort of intuition. And after reading this post, i have found a few answers from you that really stand out as ISFP:

1. Answer to 9. a) What activities energize you most?

You seem to like daydreaming and imagining things, but you also seem to have a few Se hobbies: Listening to music while doing chores (i love that too!), doing individual activities outside (typically ISxP), sport stacking and other types of physical exercise, video games (if there's any hobby the average Se type shares with N types, it's that), and drawing (common among ISFPs).

ISFP, from my experience, is the S type that daydreams the most. N types tend to daydream more than S types, especially the introverts, but ISFPs really like to daydream as well, it seems.

Also, Lady Gaga said it pretty well: "I'm half living my life between reality and fantasy at all times." She's a verified ISFP and you can find a list of famous ISFPs here. IDRlabs isn't perfect but i find Gaga's typing accurate.

2. "Inspiration and dedication to my passions...[purpose in life] would be to find my passion and stick with it because it’ll lead to my happiness."

IxFP types are all about that passion! The second part of what you said is just so Fi-Ni. You're reflective of your present self, your preferences and feelings, and the positive future you are determined to set for yourself.

3. "Agree to disagree"

Some people have suggested Fe for you, which is a possible explanation for your desire to avoid arguments/conflict. But i think your methodology of "agree to disagree" is more Fi, as Fi is a function that emphasizes individuality and Fe is more like "let's all agree and let's all be happy". Fe peeps would be less happy than you are to see people agree to disagree, they value unity more.

(Fe example: I try to tell myself to deal with conflict the way you do, but my tertiary Fe keeps getting annoyed and insecure about disagreements inside groups that are supposed to be TOGETHER and a TEAM, etc. etc.)

4. Just daydreaming, whether I’m a character in a show or book...I also think about my interests a lot as well. I tend to think if I can write down my daydreams, then I might be able to start my stories and creative writing, but am too lazy to do that.

Here, have this quote from https://www.16personalities.com/isfp-personality.

Just because they are alone...doesn’t mean people with the [ISFP] personality type sit idle – they take this time for introspection, assessing their principles. Rather than dwelling on the past or the future, [ISFPs] think about who they are. They return from their cloister, transformed.
5. I can also look at the brighter side of things and become optimistic. Then again, I can also be pessimistic when something terrible has happened and I don’t know how to handle it.

Have some more 16personalities:

I don't like the gnashing teeth part, i never saw it as an ISFP thing. But i think what they mean is that you can, at times, get annoyed and forget how to deal with things calmly and positively when you get caught up in the moment. However, ISFPs are generally seen as positive and peaceful people, which is the "charm and creativity" part.

You could still be INFP, but i would be more sure about ISFP :tongue:
 
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