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Of course, I expect all ENTPs to stereotypically be at least libertarian due to their disliking of authority, but what are you a supporter of?

I am a minarchist. As little government as needed to run a country. Basically enforces laws such as do not murder, do not steal, assault, property rights, etc. with the small exception of having mandatory military training for all able-bodied persons.

I am also a Zionist.
 

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I like Noocracy. To simplify it, its meritocracy of the intelligent.
Or a world where the most intelligent has the most "Authoritah".
 

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I like Noocracy. To simplify it, its meritocracy of the intelligent.
Or a world where the most intelligent has the most "Authoritah".
I humbly accept you nominating me Supreme Badass Ruler of the World.
 
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I humbly accept you nominating me Supreme Badass Ruler of the World.
Small ambitions of a small mind. If you can be happy with a little tiny planet go ahead. :kitteh:
 

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Small ambitions of a small mind. If you can be happy with a little tiny planet go ahead. :kitteh:
Oh I'm sorry. I thought that when you said, you know, world, that you meant a world! Crazy I know!
 
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Oh I'm sorry. I thought that when you said, you know, world, that you meant a world! Crazy I know!
Oh dear, I said simplifying before that. Cherry picking is soo "Supreme Badass Ruler of the World"
 

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Oh dear, I said simplifying before that. Cherry picking is soo "Supreme Badass Ruler of the World"
Well a certain someone isn't getting assigned to be 'Pretty Badass But Not Quite Supremely So Ruler of the Northern Hemnisphere' now.
 

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Well a certain someone isn't getting assigned to be 'Pretty Badass But Not Quite Supremely So Ruler of the Northern Hemnisphere' now.
I know im not the most intelligent but there is no need to be rude! Do not discriminate the universe by assuming a north/south difference. Still I would settle for half of everything.
 
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Of course, I expect all ENTPs to stereotypically be at least libertarian due to their disliking of authority, but what are you a supporter of?

I am a minarchist. As little government as needed to run a country. Basically enforces laws such as do not murder, do not steal, assault, property rights, etc. with the small exception of having mandatory military training for all able-bodied persons.
To actually answer the question, I would actually argue that I'm a bit moderate. I do believe that certain institutions (healthcare, education, etc.) should be run by the country. However, I do tend to identify myself as being a Libertarian. Still, I'm a staunch supporter of "Pirate Parties" and other counter-culture organizations.
 

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To actually answer the question, I would actually argue that I'm a bit moderate. I do believe that certain institutions (healthcare, education, etc.) should be run by the country. However, I do tend to identify myself as being a Libertarian. Still, I'm a staunch supporter of "Pirate Parties" and other counter-culture organizations.
When you talk about healthcare, do you mean that the government has control over all healthcare, or do you believe in a mix of public and private?
 

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When you talk about healthcare, do you mean that the government has control over all healthcare, or do you believe in a mix of public and private?
In all honesty, a mix of both. I don't believe companies should be able to profit from education/healthcare, due to the issues that come from mixing the two (treatment of humans as revenue sources rather than humans). Regardless, I wouldn't mind paying extra taxes (granted I don't pay any to begin with) to pay for free education/healthcare; they're pretty essential to a functioning country, imo.

Feel free to ask me on other issues. I don't mind.
 

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In all honesty, a mix of both. I don't believe companies should be able to profit from education/healthcare, due to the issues that come from mixing the two (treatment of humans as revenue sources rather than humans). Regardless, I wouldn't mind paying extra taxes (granted I don't pay any to begin with) to pay for free education/healthcare; they're pretty essential to a functioning country, imo.

Feel free to ask me on other issues. I don't mind.
If people care more about money than actually helping people (as you implied here) then wouldn't allowing these healthcare companies to profit only increase the quality of care?
 

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If people care more about money than actually helping people (as you implied here) then wouldn't allowing these healthcare companies to profit only increase the quality of care?
You might think that, but in practice it doesn't happen. The whole healthcare industry burdens the consumer, rather than the reverse.

Simply put, money should not be prioritized over individual wellbeing and care. For profit medical companies make sure to pay their doctors superfluous amounts, build numerous and excessive amounts of hospitals, and penalize the consumer.

Nonprofits work better, as they're more focused on quality, yet they can get around this by investing the money into their infrastructure & employees. It's better yet it doesn't guarantee that the consumer is treated well.
 

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You might think that, but in practice it doesn't happen. The whole healthcare industry burdens the consumer, rather than the reverse.

Simply put, money should not be prioritized over individual wellbeing and care. For profit medical companies make sure to pay their doctors superfluous amounts, build numerous and excessive amounts of hospitals, and penalize the consumer.

Nonprofits work better, as they're more focused on quality, yet they can get around this by investing the money into their infrastructure & employees. It's better yet it doesn't guarantee that the consumer is treated well.
Sorry, but this is naive. Most hospitals are non-profits and yet they are still rip offs. Why, you ask?

It has everything to do with a lack of competition. If you go to a hospital for an emergency you don't get to shop around. If you have insurance you don't shop around on price because your cost is the same regardless. If you don't have insurance you don't go for preventative care and for emergency care you either pay an exorbitant price (get screwed) or just don't pay (a tax on the rest of us).

Potential drugs take 10 years and a billion dollars to come to market due to the 1800s circa FDA dinosaur (and European / Other equivalents). This kills innovation and huge non-innovative drug companies and drives up costs.

Most doctors require too much school, which is expensive and drives costs up. Lawyers drive costs up because of their undeniable quest to help people (sarcasm).

Oh and back to your original point, people assume non-profit companies aren't greedy but a lot of the "profit" in these pillars in the community goes to the managers above the doctor level. Often there are figure head roles in non profit hospitals who make millions. If the board approves it who will reject?

Sorry, but as much as Fox News / MSNBC / CNN would like you to think, some issues just aren't that black and white!
 

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Anarcho-Communism... Ideally.
Most logical thing is Stark Trek TNG universe, if you know of that world, but some differences in detail which I won't go into. Particularly the manner of rule, but again, ideally, humanity would be the unique sentience in the universe for this to work out a little better.

In reality, in today's society, the most we as Americans can handle is Scandinavian style (state) capitalism. Not even "socialism" per say, wherein the worker is the controller of the means of production.

FYI, in my world the following is each economic system's controller of production;
Capitalism - Wealthy Aristocracy/Oligarchy
State Capitalism - Government
Socialism - Workers
Communism - Community
 

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Sorry, but this is naive. Most hospitals are non-profits and yet they are still rip offs. Why, you ask?

It has everything to do with a lack of competition. If you go to a hospital for an emergency you don't get to shop around. If you have insurance you don't shop around on price because your cost is the same regardless. If you don't have insurance you don't go for preventative care and for emergency care you either pay an exorbitant price (get screwed) or just don't pay (a tax on the rest of us).

Potential drugs take 10 years and a billion dollars to come to market due to the 1800s circa FDA dinosaur (and European / Other equivalents). This kills innovation and huge non-innovative drug companies and drives up costs.

Most doctors require too much school, which is expensive and drives costs up. Lawyers drive costs up because of their undeniable quest to help people (sarcasm).

Oh and back to your original point, people assume non-profit companies aren't greedy but a lot of the "profit" in these pillars in the community goes to the managers above the doctor level. Often there are figure head roles in non profit hospitals who make millions. If the board approves it who will reject?

Sorry, but as much as Fox News / MSNBC / CNN would like you to think, some issues just aren't that black and white!
We're actually saying the same thing.

It may have looked as if wrote the non-profit companies are "good" and the for-profit companies are "bad", but the problem lay in my explanation. I had meant to say that for-profit healthcare companies are horrible, and for-profit, better but not by too much.

Also, nice burn, but I don't watch/listen/indulge in mainstream media.
 

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Minarchy is a self-contradiction. You have fallen down the rabbit hole of knowing the free market is more effective than any government intervention, so I assume you have read Mises and/or Friedman. The question is, why do you think that the free market can't handle a court system, and national defense?

I myself have reached the point of Anarchy, and my personal preference is Anarcho-Capitalism.
 

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It's a self-contradiction in many ways. It's a logically arbitrary line, first of all, based on the liberal principle of limited government that was tried and failed miserably (and an argument of constitutionalism is just so flawed and horribly naive. A constitution is not a magical piece of paper that will keep the state small. "Well if only people would.." -- no, any argument that starts with those 5 words will be a utopic one). By creating a state, you're creating collection of power upheld through force. A collection of power that will be sought out by people to increase it.

Though calling every stateless philosophy an 'anarchist' one doesn't sit well with me either. Anarchism means 'without rulers', but if I own my property, I am the ruler of my property. And the way it is applied by "left-wing anarchists" makes no sense either since the collective authority takes precedence over individual autonomy. So it's not anti-authoritarian either.

Voluntaryism needs to catch on and replace 'anarcho-capitalism' as the predominant term for propertarian anti-statism, since it argues from non-aggression rather than non-authority (making it a lot more consistent with basic libertarian philosophy), it avoids using the term capitalist, which has been all but ruined by statist capitalists, and the word 'voluntaryism' gets to the heart of the ideology already anyway. The rest is incidental.
 

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I'd be all for statism - if it were ruled by people like me (haha).
What I see now... leaves me closer to some anarchism (not the capitalist kind).
Anyway, +1 to Star Trek TNG (NOT DS9 with greed as the main motive), and a resource driven economy.
I do not believe in the market, at all.
 
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