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I was reading this thread and when i got to the INFJ/ISTP loops i decided to google for more informations because i found the Ni-Ti/Ti-Ni descriptions a bit too vague.

So i googled and this came out. Now i'm not sure if the author of that page adopted idiosyncratic meaning for 'loop' or if what's written there is actually correct, but in either case it confused me a lot.

At some point it says:

Now, it is entirely possible for extreme introversion to cause one to not develop their auxiliary function in the extraverted attitude (and vice-versa). However, that doesn't mean the person will have a more developed third function than second. That's a lot like missing your flight from Chicago to New York and instead hopping on a plane going from Chicago to Paris, checking into a hotel, doing some touristy stuff, grabbing dinner, and then complaining that you need to figure out a way to get back to New York. Why wouldn't you just find another way to get to New York?

Well, it's the same way with the auxiliary. If you can't find a way to extravert your second function, you're not going to resort to the third, less conscious function, you're just going to use the second function in the preferred attitude. To reiterate what I said here:

Your auxiliary, by virtue of being the auxiliary, is the second most conscious function. If your thinking is more developed than your feeling, you aren't an INFJ, you're an INTJ. Now, early Jungians thought that the auxiliary was in the same attitude as the dominant. Even the MBTI manual allows, in the chapter on counseling, for people to develop an auxiliary that is in the same attitude as the dominant. Note on page 226:"Some Extraverts seem to use their auxiliary function as well as their dominant function in the Extraverted attitude. This makes them appear to others as 'extreme Extraverts.'" and, further down the page, "Some Introverted clients introvert both their dominant and auxiliary functions, making them appear as 'extreme introverts.'" If you're an INFJ but your introversion is extreme, then you may see more Introverted Feeling in your personality. If, however, you see neither Introverted nor Extraverted Feeling in your personality, but you do see Introverted Thinking, then you may want to examine whether INFJ is the best fit for you.
Wait, what? So an INFJ who can't manage to develop Fe actually turns it to Fi and the stack becomes what? Ni-Fi-Ti-Se? Is this how it works? This is very different from what that thread i was reading says, so either someone is wrong or i'm misunderstanding something.
 

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I'm lost. I'll be keeping tabs on this thread as this is exactly the sort of thing I am interested in learning more from those of you who get this stuff already. Thanks in advance to anyone who can keep going with explaining loops. :)
 

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Whatever, however the models are supposed to work, I Ni-Ti loop. It's palpable. It can be broken if I spend a day with people, exercising my Fe.

It feels like OCD / over-analyzing / going in circles over a subject. When I return to the topic after getting into balance with Fe (spending time with family or friends, although just getting out might work for some people), everything becomes more clear.

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So the ENFJ loop would be between Fe and Se, skipping over the Ni. What would that look like? I am interested too. I think i am either in the grip or in. loop, bec no types seem to fit.
 

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Side-issue, perhaps, but given this...
Even the MBTI manual allows, in the chapter on counseling, for people to develop an auxiliary that is in the same attitude as the dominant. Note on page 226:"Some Extraverts seem to use their auxiliary function as well as their dominant function in the Extraverted attitude. This makes them appear to others as 'extreme Extraverts.'" and, further down the page, "Some Introverted clients introvert both their dominant and auxiliary functions, making them appear as 'extreme introverts.'"
...what exactly makes this the same re: J/P? The link for J/P in the MBTI is the attitude of the lead judging function - Te and Fe types are J, Ti and Fi types are P - so surely an "INFJ" who has Fi instead of Fe is actually an INFP, by that logic, and an "ESTP" with Te is actually an ESTJ? The manual looks to be hedging a lot - "some extraverts seem", &c. - so I guess it hasn't been covered in any great depth in official MBTI sources, but following the general logic applied to J/P, this problem seems to arise... or else, if you define J/P by the perceiving function's orientation, the same problem but for different types ("ISFP" with Si instead of Se is actually an ISFJ, say).

As for loops, I'm not inclined to set much store by the notion, since I don't see any reason why I ought to...
 

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Non-canon, that's what it is. If MBTI was the bible, function looping would be Christmas.
MBTI is as true to the original faith as the protestant church is.
Sitting around on benches and singing worn out psalms they hardly understand.
Luckily if we trace back to the orignal faith before MBTI, Jung certainly opens the door for the loops.
It is in essence a pure introvert or extrovert. In otherwords a poorly balanced person cognitively.
Having given up the outer world to preserve the subjective view or given up the inner view to external claims.
 
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