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Hello. I’ve started a couple of threads here in the past, but I have done some thinking recently and now I am once again unsure about my type. I wanted to try one of the scenario questionnaires, to see if I get some different feedback.

For a while, I have been thinking that I am an ISFP but I find that there are a couple of problems with that typing.

I just don’t think that introverted feeling is my dominant function. I am positive that it is high in my stack, probably somewhere in the top four, and I know that I do use it. For instance, it’s important in my enjoyment of music, where I like what feels somehow right to me. I don’t t

But when it comes to making decisions and participating in arguments, I do not perceive myself to use Fi as my dominant function.

Arguments especially, I barely take my own inner moral values and inner feelings into account. (Hell, I’m not even aware of what my inner moral values actually are, I don’t know what I consider “right” and “wrong,” really.) To form my arguments, I usually rely on evidence that I have read or heard from different sources. Sounds more Si-Te to me.

I have read other threads on this website comparing ISFP to ISTP, ISFP to INFJ, ISFP to ESFP, and ISFP to INTJ. Oftentimes I don’t relate to the descriptions of ISFP. This post is a good example. I never have “deep, immovable beliefs,” and I am open to a new suggestion with proof. Unless I’m forced for school or something, I do not see projects to the end, I get bored easily.

Also, according to this post, I don’t think that I could be an ISFP because I am absolutely horrible at Fe.

But I don’t know. I just want to hear your thoughts. I would really like to know which type you think I am and why. Enough of this, I’ll include the questionnaire in a post underneath.
 

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SCENARIO 1

Your significant other just ended your 2 year relationship quite suddenly and with no apparent explanation. Up until this point you had both been talking about marriage and last week you even went to look at rings together. Now he/she won't even return your phone calls or texts. After talking with his/her family you find out that he/she has just been diagnosed with terminal stage 4 cancer.

- Describe how this scenario would make you feel as well as what sort of influences and motivations lie behind those feelings. Why do you feel the way you do?

First of all, I find it hard to imagine myself getting into that long and passionate of a romantic relationship with someone. This whole situation sounds utterly ridiculous to me.

But if that actually somehow happened, I could imagine myself initially feeling relieved that my significant other broke up our relationship. Marriage seems like too much of a scary commitment to me, something in which I do not want to participate.

I would, however, definitely desire an explanation. And when I finally get the news from his family, and learn about his terminal cancer, I suppose I would be sad. If I loved someone, I certainly would not want him or her to suffer from something like cancer.

Other than that, I would not know what to do about the whole situation. I would give my ex-boyfriend some space and time for sure. If he, for some reason, wanted to talk to me about something, I would be there for him (although if he dated me for two years he would know by now that I suck at contributing advice).


SCENARIO 2

You are in college and this semester both you and your roommate end up in the same class together. You and your roommate get along fairly well and the living situation works but you aren't particularly close. You both typically do your own thing and are rather indifferent to each other. As the semester progresses you excel and become one of the top students in the class whereas your roommate is struggling significantly to grasp the material. The professor assigns a fairly challenging take home test that is a significant portion of your grade. He/she makes it clear that while it is open book, students are to work alone. Later your roommate comes to you begging for help after struggling with the test most of the weekend. You have already completed the assignment and he/she isn't asking to copy your answers, just to help tutor and mentor them as they struggle to complete the test, so there is no way your professor would ever know. However, this is the first time your roommate has asked you for help this semester. He/she makes it clear that how they do on this test could mean the difference between passing and failing this class.


- How do you respond to your roommate’s request and why? What sort of things in this scenario stand out to you as far as having a strong influence on your decision making and why? Describe the flow of your decision making process.

Honestly, I would be very reluctant to help her. I don’t really care about other people’s performances in class, so her making it clear that she might fail the class if she does poorly would not make a difference on me.

It depends on what “begging” is. If she asked me once, maybe a couple of times, I’d probably say no. I would probably tell her to read the book more carefully, even go online if she needs any help. But if she were adamant about it, I would probably give in after a while. Partially because I would be tired of hearing this, and partially because I would not want someone with whom I live to be mad at me.

I suck at tutoring and explaining concepts, so I would probably ask her if she just wants to compare answers or something. If she really wanted me to actually mentor her, I guess I would give it a try.


SCENARIO 3

Your boss calls you into his/her office in order to assign you to a new project. He/she gives you a choice between two.

Project 1 is a rather broad, expansive project covering multiple areas of company operations. It has the potential to have a very significant impact on company operations but it would require a collective effort and an extensive amount of group work where you would be logically thinking through the project together with the group of individuals your boss has also assigned to it.

Project 2 has a much more specific and narrow focus and would require a significant amount of in depth individual analysis to work through the problem. You would be working alone and the completion of the project may or may not have much impact on company operations. However, after complete the process and problem you were working on will be streamlined and fundamentally understood.

- Which project appeals to you the most, as it relates to the way you prefer to logically process information? Why? What sort of things in this scenario, across either project, stood out to you as having a strong influence on your decision? Why?

Project 2 appeals to me the most. The required collective effort of Project 1 turns me off, and I probably would not be able to contribute to it much since I don’t stand out much in group work settings. I would rather analyze the problem on my own. I also like the idea of it being more specific with a narrow focus.

SCENARIO 4

Your college professor has assigned you to a group project with 3 other individuals. All 3 of these individuals have a good strong work ethic and desire to contribute to the overall success of this project. You are at the first meeting of your group and the other members are tossing around valuable ideas as to the nature and direction of this project.

- Describe your behavior in this situation as you process and think about the ideas they are presenting. Describe what major influences drive this behavior.

I would listen to all their ideas before sharing any of my own. This is because I am normally passive and I find it difficult to talk out of turn, especially around strangers. However, if I thought of an idea that I am really passionate about, I would probably announce it right away.

If I disagreed with an idea, I would probably wait to see if someone else had anything else to say about it, but if nobody said anything, I would state my problems with the idea.

If nobody else asks, I would question the other members of the group how we would like to execute the project. Who will be doing what? What will we be making? How will we accomplish it?

A major influence driving my behavior would be me wanting the project to be done well, the perfectionist behavior inside of me.


SCENARIO 5

It has been a very long week and you feel mentally and emotionally drained, but good news! It is Saturday and you have nothing significant that needs to be done. You FINALLY have some free time to yourself to recharge your batteries and do whatever you want.

- Describe what sort of activities would help you to recharge. What would you enjoy doing after a long week and why?

Sleep in, for sure. I would probably wake up at eleven in the morning, and I think that I would enjoy a nice brunch. For the rest of the day, I would spend my time listening to music and posting online, maybe do some reading. I would have a lot of snacks for sure.

- What sort of things do you feel you draw non-physical energy from doing?

Listening to music for sure. I also get energy from driving around, but it takes willpower to leave my house on a day off.

SCENARIO 6

You have a meeting with your college career counselor to discuss potential careers that interest you. He/she offers you a list of the following careers and asks you to pick your TOP 3. He/she asks you to take money out of the equation. Imagine all of these careers received equal compensation. Focus instead on where you would truly feel most happy and fulfilled.

Artist, Scientist, Actor, Engineer, Musician, Lawyer, Counselor, Entrepreneur, Teacher, Manager, Psychologist, Computer Programmer / Analyst, Clergy, Child Care, Medical Doctor

- What were your top 3 choices and what aspects of these careers appeal to you? Prioritize the aspects of your career choices that influenced your decision, what things mattered most to you, where do you imagine finding the most fulfillment and why?

Engineer: I am pretty good at mathematics, so I think this would be one of the easier occupations for me to pick up, and it helps me enjoy something if I have talent in it. It seems like the best mixture of something that I have the potential of doing well
Musician: I think that this would be the most fun career, and I would be doing something that I am passionate about. If I actually had an adequate amount of musical talent, this would definitely be the one where I would feel most fulfilled, but since I don’t, I would probably have to work really hard and therefore not be satisfied.
Manager: I often fantasize about being in control (oops I mean in charge) of others, so this career would probably be exciting for me. I’m just too shy to actually take a step forward as a leader, most of the time. If I’m like that, I guess I wouldn’t be too good at this job.

While thinking of careers that I might enjoy, I also put into account my personality, interests, and skills to come to these three selections. Money definitely would have been a huge factor if I were allowed to put that into consideration.


- Was it difficult or easy to pick only 3 and why?

I found it difficult to even pick one. I kept on finding negative aspects about each job and focusing on those, which made it hard for me to choose. I eventually had to settle with choosing the ones that I found the “least of the evils.”
 

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If it helps, I just took the Keys 2 Cognition test and these are my results.

Se - 38.4 (excellent use)
Si - 40.5 (excellent use)
Ne - 31.4 (good use)
Ni - 13 (unused)
Te - 35.4 (good use)
Ti - 37.4 (excellent use)
Fe - 12.1 (unused)
Fi - 31.4 (good use)
 

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It's my opinion. I think you're an ISTP, I have a female ISTP friend that thinks alike that. It's obvious you're not the same, but she has reactions that are alike yours and even the thinking.
 

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@redeemofself @JAH @Ernilthur

Thanks for the feedback. I've been considering those two types the past couple of days. Still unsure, but at least I've got it narrowed down.

Ernilthur, thanks for the test. I got the result of Artisan (SP) there, so I guess that would make me lean towards ISTP. I get ISTP on most other Internet tests as well.

JAH, if you don't mind answering, did you come to that conclusion from my questionnaire or the test results?
 

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The overall impression you give off is much more that of an ISTP than an ISTJ, so if I had to pick one I'd choose that.

Have you tried the actual official MBTI test? I know a lot of people here don't put much stock in dichotomy/preference tests, but I've found them to be pretty good, and this is the actual official one after all, which has to count for something.
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If it helps, I just took the Keys 2 Cognition test and these are my results.

Se - 38.4 (excellent use)
Si - 40.5 (excellent use)
Ne - 31.4 (good use)
Ni - 13 (unused)
Te - 35.4 (good use)
Ti - 37.4 (excellent use)
Fe - 12.1 (unused)
Fi - 31.4 (good use)
Just me doing me, (me things inbound):
 

Assuming Se is dominant = ESxP
ESFP:
Why can be:
High Te
Low Ni
High Si
Potential Se-Te loop: cause of lowish Fi
Why cannot be:
High Ti (big no-no)

ESTP:
Why can be:
High Ti
Low Ni
High Si
High Te
Why cannot be:
Low Fe
Mid Fi (maybe)

Assuming Si is dominant = ISxJ
ISTJ:
Why can be:
High Te
Low Fe
High Se
High Ti
Why cannot be:
Low Fi
Mid Ne
(Note: could be resisting Fi which may also cause: Mid Ne)

ISFJ:
Why can be:
High Ti
High Se
Why cannot be:
Low Fe
Mid Ne
High Te (big no-no)

Assuming Te is dominant = ExTJ
ESTJ:
Why can be:
High Si
Mid Ne
Low Ni
High Ti
High Se
Why cannot be:
Mid Fi (maybe)

ENTJ:
Why can be:
High Se
High Ti
Why cannot be:
Low Ni
Mid Fi (maybe)
High Si (big no-no)

Assuming Ti is dominant = IxTP
ISTP:
Why can be:
High Se
Low Fe
High Te
High Si
Why cannot be:
Low Ni
Mid Ne (maybe)

INTP:
Why can be:
Mid Ne
High Si
Low Fe
High Te
Why cannot be:
High Se (big no-no)


Conclusion:
ISFJ in Si-Ti loop is possible. Which would explain why you come across as IxTP and maybe stretching it at ISFP.
Information about such:
 

defensive loop: stubborn and unwilling to acknowledge or change faulty ideas/assumptions (can’t admit to being wrong); lack of empathy; prone to negativity, bitterness, or cynicism; feels threatened by social/relational commitments or intimacy; feels threatened by emotionality or sentimentality; refuses to listen to other perspectives and only accepts others when they agree; prone to being arrogant, condescending, or unfairly critical/judgmental of others or the world at large; tendency to project personal/emotional issues onto others as a way to avoid own insecurities; can be argumentative and prone to blunt verbal retorts or attacks or blame; subconsciously tries to manipulate people’s emotions/behaviors; rationalizes away one’s own problematic beliefs/actions with the unconscious intent to repress feelings of inadequacy or insecurity

Si-Ti loop: compelled to concoct convoluted “logical” rationales to justify staying within excessively narrow personal comfort zones and rejecting other people’s perspectives, advice, or suggestions -> but ends up confused, regretful, or isolated because of stubbornly alienating oneself from others and failing/refusing to acknowledge deep insecurities

ISTJ but with resisting Fi is possible.
Information on such:
 

resisting Fi: inattentive to legitimate needs of self and others; callously dismisses the experiences of others; projecting and judgmental, using overly harsh standards or overgeneralizations to criticize people; resistant to emotional life and well-being; tendency to see emotional sensitivity as a weakness in oneself and others; desperate to remain removed and independent from the influence of others/society


ISTP but with resisting Ni is possible.
Information on such:
 

resisting Ni: paranoid or suspicious about being restricted or controlled; obstinate or needlessly rebellious against external standards; lacks nuance in judgment, no patience for understanding problems in depth; dismisses the need for careful long term analysis/planning; tendency to be dismissive of abstract meaning or theoretical knowledge; reckless and short-sighted in decision making


Overall I would say ESTJ is the best match just because there is very little conflict between your results on the test to ESTJ's functions.
 

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Why are high Ti and Se consistent with ESTJ? Wouldn't those be shadow functions?
ESTJ's tend to naturally have high Ti & Se.
All types have natural high ignoring and demonstrative functions: which is ESTJ's Ti & Se in this case.

Though even if an ESTJ didn't have high Ti & Se then it wouldn't be a problem i.e. mid.
But if they had really low Ti then perhaps I would doubt them being ESTJ, a low Se is "meh".
 
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You seem to have excellent use of Ti and Se. I can see that you're lacking Fe, but from your cognitive functions test, you have more Ne than Ni.....

I would say ISTP, but ESTJ can also be a good choice like @narcissistic said
 
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ESTJ's tend to naturally have high Ti & Se.
All types have natural high ignoring and demonstrative functions: which is ESTJ's Ti & Se in this case.

Though even if an ESTJ didn't have high Ti & Se then it wouldn't be a problem i.e. mid.
But if they had really low Ti then perhaps I would doubt them being ESTJ, a low Se is "meh".
Ah, okay. I've only done very cursory research on Socionics, so correct me if I'm misunderstanding: Ego and Id Block functions are strong, while Super-Ego and Super-Id Block are weak?
 

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Ah, okay. I've only done very cursory research on Socionics, so correct me if I'm misunderstanding: Ego and Id Block functions are strong, while Super-Ego and Super-Id Block are weak?
Ego: High strength and High value.
Id: High strength and Low value.
Super-Ego: Low strength and Low Value.
Super-Id: Low strength and High Value.

Strength = How good you are at it/ using the function often.
Value = Need for its use/ sees the function as important/unimportant.
 
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Ego: High strength and High value.
Id: High strength and Low value.
Super-Ego: Low strength and Low Value.
Super-Id: Low strength and High Value.

Strength = How good you are at it/ using the function often.
Value = Need for its use/ sees the function as important/unimportant.
Okay, got it. And the types and functions correlate well with MBTI?
 

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Okay, got it. And the types and functions correlate well with MBTI?
Function order is same.
MBTI and socionics have slightly different definitions for their functions,
however they are pretty much the same.

I would say socionics is more defined and insightful,
I generally only bring up socionics for vulnerable functions and sometimes ignoring and role functions if I need to.
I would find it hard to see e.g. an INTP with high Se.
Socionics functions are good at narrowing down the possibilities,
otherwise all the types I pondered and suggested about in the explanation would be all good choices for their type.
 
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Function order is same.
MBTI and socionics have slightly different definitions for their functions,
however they are pretty much the same.

I would say socionics is more defined and insightful,
I generally only bring up socionics for vulnerable functions and sometimes ignoring and role functions if I need to.
I find would find it hard to see e.g. an INTP with high Se.
Socionics functions are good at narrowing down the possibilities,
otherwise all the types I pondered and suggested about in the explanation would be all good choices for their type.
That makes sense. Thank you for your explanations! :happy:
 
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