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Enneagram Type - Please help me?
I have taken the Enneagram test three times now and I have been classified as a Two all three times. However I just read the Four profile and the Three profile and I think I have aspects of all three. Could someone help me find my true Enneagram type or Tri-type? I'm at a complete loss.

Here are my answers to some of the questions.

1. What drives you in life? What do you look for?

New things, innovation. Possibilities. Experiences. Those are the things that drive me in life. What I look for is something that I could be passionate about. Something I can immerse myself in and be challenged and fulfilled by every day. I love knowledge. I love newness. I love to be excited and thrilled by moving ahead into the future.

2. What do you hope to accomplish in your life?

I hope that I can make an impact. Not necessarily a huge one, but I hope that I am able to leave an impression on people and through that impression on at least one person that can build into something bigger and bigger until it becomes a movement. I want to make people understand that we are all connected in some way and its through that connection that we have to be true and kind to one another. I hope I can get people that I come into contact with to see that we are all similar because we are people and that should be valued.

3. What do you hope to avoid doing or being? What values are important to you?

I never want to be an abuser or someone who takes out their pain on others. I have been abused before physically, emotionally and sexually and I hope to never ever be like my abusers. I never want to hurt people or make people experience any kind of hurt due to my actions direct or indirect. May be impossible but I try to limit it at all times. There is no justification for cruelty in my eyes. It should be stopped.

Kindness is important to me. Love. Unconditional acceptance. Truth. Honesty. Empathy. Authenticity. I can’t stand being lied to.

4. What are your biggest fears (not including phobias)? Why?

Not being valued. Not being seen as worthwhile. Being ignored. Not being remembered. Never finding anyone who sees me as an amazing person that I am. I’m a good person. Never finding someone who truly sees me and connects with me for who I am. Never having a truly indepth relationship where I can immerse myself in the other person and the other person immersed in me. I want everything. Full 100%.

5. How do you want others to see you? How do you see yourself?

I want to be seen as fun. Cheerful. Charismatic. A superstar. I want them to see me as desirable. Sexy. Good. Truthful and powerful. I want them to see me as valuable . Strong.
I see myself as flawed by my abuse. Marred in a way. I feel like people don’t really notice me in social situations.

6. What makes you feel your best? What makes you feel your worst?

I feel the best when people respond favorably to me. When they complement me and give me praise. It activates me and catapults me into actions. I feel empowered when people take notice of me and notice all the great things about my personality and about who I am as a person.

Rejection makes me feel the worst and failure. I feel inept and weak when those two things happen to me. It makes me feel like I am behind the curve and less of a person. I feel diminished by those two things.

7. Describe how you experience each of: a) anger; b) shame; c) anxiety.

a) anger- I don’t get angry. A better way to say it is that I get indignant. I have righteous anger over things that are wrong. Inequalities, hypocrisies, unfairness, lies, etc. But I never really get raging angry about personal things. I can only get indiginantly angry towards larger principals that I feel shouldn’t be violated. I tend to balk at the wrongness of the situation, lecture how they are wrong and make that person feel shame or guilt for what they did so they can rectify the situation. When it comes to personal matters and occurrences dealing with myself I don’t usually get angry. I just slink into sadness. Usually concerning why did that person do that to me, why don’t they value my feelings, why didn’t they consider the way I felt, etc.

b) shame- I generally deny it. I denied that my abuse happened to me because I felt ashamed of it for years. It took me nine years to tell someone about my molestation because I was so horrified that I didn’t know what was happening to me at the time. I still feel like it was partly my fault to this day, even if I know it’s not exactly rational.

c) anxiety- It usually overwhelms me. Like the walls are closing in and I seek outside support from my friends and family to help them calm me down. My Dad is the best at this because he breaks it down into pieces that I can handle. But I generally see it as a big ship heading straight towards me and I don’t know how to tackle it. I usually have anxiety about things that are out of my control, because I need to have control over situations pertaining to my work.

8. Describe how you respond to each of: a) stress; b) unexpected change; c) conflict.

a) stress- See the first part of anxiety. Then I break everything down to pieces and work on it one by one at a pace until it’s twiddled down to nothing.

b) unexpected change- Depends on the change. I usually just adapt though. I’m pretty good at changing gears at the last second. I switch things around and try to keep things going.

c) conflict- I don’t like conflict usually. Unless it’s something incredibly important to me I will take the path of least resistance and make the best of it unless I know it’s wrong in some core way.

9. Describe your orientation to: a) authority; b) power. How do you respond to these?

a.) authority – I don’t like regulation. I like things to be open. I think when you restrict people you restrict possibilities and creativity. You restrict numerous solutions to your problems.

b.) power- I would like to have it, doesn’t everyone? I would like to have it so I could protect and enable people to do their very best without having to work for the bottom dollar or whatever. I would love to have power so I could make people’s dreams come true.

10. What is your overall outlook on life and humanity?

There is so much good that can come from it. I think people try to be good and they just don’t know how and sometimes they get it wrong. I think life is filled with a lot of roads and everyone deserves the chance to go through them. I think people deserve more chances and more opportunities.

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12. Comment on your relationship with trust.

I’m an open book. I trust everyone until they show me that I can’t trust them.

15. If a stranger insults you, how do you respond/feel? What if they compliment you?

I would probably shut down and ignore them. Think about what I did to cause that insult and then ilter it through to see if it had any merit.

I generally don’t listen to compliments unless it’s by someone I really respect. My Father once told me that I was an incredibly resilient figure and it’s the best compliment I have ever received.
 

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I am detecting a 6w7/7w6 figure, either way the presence of the wing is undeniable. I would lean more towards the the 6w7 but perhaps I would change my mind if I got to know you. The other types are 4w3 and 1w2 and the variant is, without a doubt in my mind Sx/So.
 
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I am detecting a 6w7/7w6 figure, either way the presence of the wing is undeniable. I would lean more towards the the 6w7 but perhaps I would change my mind if I got to know you.
Thank you so much. I see that I have aspects of both of those and both of them fit me really well. Do you know how best to differentiate between the the two types/figures with the different wings? I feel I could go either way and would like a better clarification.

From the brief glances I feel a kinship with the 7w6 but I also feel as if I don't usually have the energy that describes them so to speak? I feel like I am close to both 6w7 and 7w6. I would say I don't really have much anxiety so much as I just don't have a lot of confidence and I look for approval/clarifications in my decision making because I am not sure I am making the right choice (6). However I am not an overly bubbly person either until I get that from my environment and it's encouraged (7).

I am generally a live and let live character who is happiest when he is carefree though which reminds me of 7w6. I don't necessarily think of the world as a bad place where everything can and will go wrong, which is what I see from the 6w7 wing. But I am not as popular and outwardly social as the 7w6 wing it seems until that is enforced. It's very reactive in me.

Is this something to do with the variants so to speak? How do those typical factor in?
 

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I don't see much Seven, but I do see Six and Nine qualities. Actually, your Nine qualities were surprisingly strong, or so it seemed to me. Probably both are in your tritype. ^^ You could just be a 6w7 as you said. I suggest taking a look at this, it is pure gold: Typewatch Enneagram: Typewatch Enneagram Type Descriptions

Look at Nines, Sixes, Ones, and Twos. Poke around at Seven. Tell me what you think and where your doubts are. :)
 

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I don't see much Seven, but I do see Six and Nine qualities. Actually, your Nine qualities were surprisingly strong, or so it seemed to me. Probably both are in your tritype. ^^ You could just be a 6w7 as you said. I suggest taking a look at this, it is pure gold: Typewatch Enneagram: Typewatch Enneagram Type Descriptions

Look at Nines, Sixes, Ones, and Twos. Poke around at Seven. Tell me what you think and where your doubts are. :)
Reading the descriptions kind of frustrates me because I feel kinship with a lot of them, which is kind of what led me here in the first place. Enneagram is not kind to me. :laughing: But I guess it's a necessary evil. lol. Thank you for the link. I really appreciate you taking your time out to help type me. I'll tell you how I feel about each of them.

Nines: I would say some of the things that don't jive with me so to speak with the 9 is that I am not as earth bound as they seem to be, overly conscience in the physical body. I hate being ignored, so I can't see myself taking pride in my invisibility. I want to be noticed and admired. I want to be seen, perhaps not the complete center of attention but I want to be acknowledged and seen as special. I am patient. I am loyal. I see the world mostly through myself but I don't think people are necessarily like me. I am able to have empathy for other people because I put myself in their situation though. On the communicative front I am a lot like them. I listen a lot and give people the benefit of the doubt but not before I think I may have done something to have them act a certain way towards me. I guess maybe that's phobic?

I don't know if I necessarily am as stable as the 9 seems to be to me. They seem so strong, my inner world seems so chaotic and full of tumultuous emotions all the time and a lot of it at times stems from my feeling of vulnerability and competency. I do love positive outlooks and will try to see the good sides of the situation. I don't like forcing things but I will if I think they need to be. I am not comfortable with it but I will do it. I completely disagree on that not knowing myself part. I know myself pretty well. I would almost say it's the thing I am 100% sure of. I almost never feel like I don't know what I am feeling or why I am feeling. I am strongly aware of what is bothering me, I just usually have problems in how to fix it. So I don't agree with the "groping in the dark" feeling. Though I may not vocalize what I want all the time, I do know what it is. So I can't say I agree with that portion of the 9 either and I am very good at saying no. Especially if I don't want to do something. I can't imagine as being as lackadaisical as the 9 appears. I do like to hang back at times but I need control of the situation at some point. I am fine with others leading at first, but as soon as they mess up I am usually prone to fixing the situation and then leading because I have lost faith in them. Usually my inaction stems from not knowing what to do, not - not doing it, if you understand what I mean?

I generally like debate and discussing something and I will definitely fight for something if I believe it's important. So I can't say I am always non-combative. Especially if I feel that something wrong is in place. I don't ignore problems usually. I almost seem to try and find them so I can stop them from causing trouble. I don't tend to moderate myself in relationships and I am generally pretty open which is why I get hurt by those I really let in my sphere and who I like. Ultimately I don't see the indecisive character that seems typical of the 9's. I can't see myself being that complacent with not having a say in my life or interactions. I would need to assert some level of control.

Sixes: I definitely see the world as a changing place, but not necessarily a bad or evil one. It seems like 6's see possibilities as a bad thing and I see them as a positive occurrence that can offer diversity and energy. I love honesty and hate lies I see those similarities in myself. Generally I just don't see the world as a negative place that can hurt me although that can happen. I am strongly entangled in relationships and friendships though. They are what I value most. I am loyal and I due view betrayal as one of the worst things someone can do to me because I value my friends and my inner circle. I don't feel as concrete as them though. I am not that strong about rules or plans. But I do think I am attracted to power in some way. I want power but I feel it's just instinctive not something I seek out and cognitively think about. I am very hard on myself and I have a love hate relationship with criticism because I hate being seen as flawed, but I know I need to change/better myself so I can be a better person. It's just hard because I don't like feeling flawed.

I don't believe I am as heavily focused on the who, what, where, when, how and why? Although in situations I will ask for clarification so I can understand motives and the impact of a situation.

Ones: I am very idealistic and the idea of purity is very compelling to me. Usually after I appreciate the beauty of something I will look for flaws or better ways to improve a current system because I believe that will better other people in the long run. I remember an art history class I took and the subject came up about the difference between Romanticism (the beauty within the flaws of the real world) and Idealism (the perfection of an unattainable idea that exists in a dreamworld or state and can never be fully replicated). I found myself more attracted to the Idealism portion of the Art History course because it was perfect and so beautiful. I am not that keen on rules persay. I believe their are exceptions to everyone and I generally hate uniformity as that usually ends up threatening authenticity. I feel it's wrong to expect others to adhere to one standard. But I don't waver in things that are very important to me. I have strong values. I do think that I may judge people to a certain standard, I am hard on others because I am hard on myself. I am my own worst critic and I can't take compliments well unless their is true honesty in them that I can see and recognize within myself.

I am emotional, I value my emotions, I love them. I would not be who I am without them. So I disagree with that description of the One in regards to myself. But I do stifle my anger because I don't see it as being very useful. For instance I may be annoyed that someone isn't being kind to someone on the subway by playing their music to loud but I would probably just stare at them and then repress it rather then actually do something about it. It's an inner emotional twitch more so then an eruption so to speak.

Twos: I love people, being around people and want to be valued by people. I think of myself as being very kind and I feel at my most powerful when I am adored, wanted, loved and attracted to. I want to be close to people. I think one of my biggest dreams/goals in life is to be in complete immersion with another person because I believe that would be the most intense emotional experience in my life. People are what bring meaning to life. I'm very empathetic. I read people very well.

I don't think I am as strong as they appear though. A lot of it seems like it's a thankless role. I need to be valued and appreciated. They seem to view themselves with very high self-esteem. I want to tell someone my problems as well as be the person people come to. I don't know if I necessarily need to be needed so much as I need to feel wanted and desirable. I like being different and being seen as special. Admired. I do have a fear of being unloved and unloveable. That goes hand in hand with my feeling of being flawed. I'm not as pragmatic/opportunistic as they might seem though. It feels like it comes from a more genuine place when I feel kind and giving. I'm not looking to be giving something back persay.

Sevens: I am generally fun loving and carefree. I love having fun and I wish I could just do whatever I wanted all the time. Probably why I hate structure. I feel at my best when I am doing things that I love. I don't enjoy doing work that I feel doesn't amount to anything or is boring. I am of the philosophy of if a person does exactly what they are supposed to do they deserve some kind of reward for it, in a way. Life is hard. You should celebrate when you can. I love happy occasions. I am optimistic but I do feel the world is against me sometimes. I am a proponent of not making a decision until I have enough time to weigh all the options. I am very imaginative and I do create daydreams where I get everything I want. Kind of like a mini-movie at times. I do need mental stimulation or I become disinterested. I am a very forward thinker. I love possibilities. I agree on the fear of being trapped or stuck and not being able to move forward. That would discourage me and drain my life force I feel.

I don't align with 7 in that I am image conscience and I guess that could be in terms of vanity/entitlement. I am very concerned with myself and I don't like power games, or games with things that are close to me (friends, relationships, values, honesty, equality, etc.). But I will try to squeeze out the most of an experience as possible to get the greatest impact of the situation. I don't do things in half measures. I guess I can relate to their zest for life and their optimism the most.
 

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@Arrow - You seem to resonate most with One. Perhaps you're a 1w9, then. This doesn't mean you aren't emotional, by the way.

Hmm. ^^ 9w8 doesn't fit, I suppose? Let's scratch Nine out, then. A one as opposed to a Nine is in your tritype, I suspect. Make sure you keep an eye on Eight as well. This is going to sound odd, but you might consider going to that link and checking the Four description.

I agree with you about Two. I have a Two in my tritype, mainly because I have everything a Two feels except I do not have high self-esteem and I don't feel like people "need" to pay me back for all the things I do. I do want appreciation, though.
 

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@Arrow - You seem to resonate most with One. Perhaps you're a 1w9, then. This doesn't mean you aren't emotional, by the way.
The only thing I felt that really resonated me there was that they are generally very philosophical people who think a great deal, which I am. But I am just not that disconnected from the world and I don't see my emotions as a burden as it's implied in the text. They are what make up who I am. They are what makes me, me in a way. I don't see them as something to discard carelessly. If anything they help me think and view the world.

Hmm. ^^ 9w8 doesn't fit, I suppose? Let's scratch Nine out, then. A one as opposed to a Nine is in your tritype, I suspect. Make sure you keep an eye on Eight as well. This is going to sound odd, but you might consider going to that link and checking the Four description.
I felt a lot of kinship with Four actually. 4w3 felt the best to me along with 7w6 from what I've read so far.
 

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@Arrow - Aha! I had a sneaking suspicion there was some Four in there. That is pretty cool! You could be a genuine Four. A genuine Four is hard to come by. :) Now, look into the Four and its wings, see which resonates with you most. Make sure you really self-reflect on the good sides of your personality as well as the bad sides, the flaws you know you have. Be honest with yourself. ^^
 

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Thank you so much. I see that I have aspects of both of those and both of them fit me really well. Do you know how best to differentiate between the the two types/figures with the different wings? I feel I could go either way and would like a better clarification.

From the brief glances I feel a kinship with the 7w6 but I also feel as if I don't usually have the energy that describes them so to speak? I feel like I am close to both 6w7 and 7w6. I would say I don't really have much anxiety so much as I just don't have a lot of confidence and I look for approval/clarifications in my decision making because I am not sure I am making the right choice (6). However I am not an overly bubbly person either until I get that from my environment and it's encouraged (7).

I am generally a live and let live character who is happiest when he is carefree though which reminds me of 7w6. I don't necessarily think of the world as a bad place where everything can and will go wrong, which is what I see from the 6w7 wing. But I am not as popular and outwardly social as the 7w6 wing it seems until that is enforced. It's very reactive in me.

Is this something to do with the variants so to speak? How do those typical factor in?
One of the highest hurdles in understanfing oneself in enneagram terms is to stop focusing on attributes such as seven energy or nine patience. All these can be influenced by your environment or other facets of your personality, like your MB type. Many Introverts find it hard to relate to the 7 untill they realize how much they resort to escapism to elude the threat of boredom. Boredom is the most daunting emotion to a 7, a 6 is frequently fearful of being inadequate or made a target of malicious powers. Both types are often a few steps ahead of others, the six because it constantly obsesses about contingencies that most would never conceive, and the 7 because the present momment often proves too blase for them, so they speculate on what could be. The greatest distinction is that the 7 daydreaming would be fantastical and stimulating in a way they find appealing, the 6's reveries are more on the spectrum of realistic to pessimistic. 6's can become addicted to the norepinephrine shot elicited from worrying; they consider their ability to worry constructively as they greatest asset, one that distinguishes them from others. 7's count more on an uninhibited imagination and an ability to detect opportunities.
 

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Awesome post @Humaning you cleared up a lot for me in your post. I think your assessment has been dead on in regards to me. I have heard that there are heart types, mind types and body types. Can you explain how those types are expressed usually? The whole Enneagram systems sounds incredibly complicated. How do all of these numbers interact with each other in terms of trying to understand the human being? How do all of my numbers 1w2, 4w3 and 6w7 interact in regards to different situations? That seems like an awful lot of desires, fears and motivations counterbalancing and interacting with eachother within one person.

What does the tri-type actually mean in terms of a fully realized individual?

Many Introverts find it hard to relate to the 7 untill they realize how much they resort to escapism to elude the threat of boredom. Boredom is the most daunting emotion to a 7
This sounds a lot like myself. I can sit in a situation for only so long before I start to lose my interest and then I start imagining something better to preoccupy my time with and it's usually a fantasy of some sort or something interesting that catches my fancy. I love being stimulated and I have a hard time being in concrete places without drifting off to my dream space. I am at my happiest when I can take action and engage in activities that I want to indulge in, but often times life gets in the way of that and that's when I dream, I dream to fulfill myself at least partially - until I can do it physically.

a 6 is frequently fearful of being inadequate
This is me as well. I hate feeling inadequate and I hate feeling flawed. One of my biggest fears is being broken in some way. I need to feel that I am strong and I need approval from others because it makes me feel stronger about myself.

7 because the present momment often proves too blase for them, so they speculate on what could be. The greatest distinction is that the 7 daydreaming would be fantastical and stimulating in a way they find appealing. 7's count more on an uninhibited imagination and an ability to detect opportunities.
That sounds exactly like me. I responded very strongly to the Peter Pan qualities of the 7, which is why I feel I may be a 7w6.
 

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This is my opinion, a melange of fragments I read and my own insights. Take it with a grain of salt.

I see the enneagram as chemical and existential more than mystical. The heart types (now more commonly referred as image types, which I prefer) depicts the manifestation of drives caused by neurotransmitters (probably serotonin.) The same is true of Mind (neroepiphene) and Body types (dopamine.) Common survival drives like reproduction, immediate survival and desire to belong (also to increase chance of survival) form the instinct variant, but also play a role in certain type profiles, like the 2, 6 and 8, perhaps this is a mistake though. Most likely your type is not entirely passed down by the divine whim of your DNA structure, but also by thought patterns that start as tentative roads and through reinforcement become bustling highways. They can be torn down but the socio-economical infrastructure of your mind, if you will, will be in peril and you will have to form a grand scale revolutionary movement between your ears. Others will find you very odd, during this stage.
The theory is useful; you can begin to understand the motivations of yourself and others, but be wary of taking it too seriously, or you will fill your thoughts with schizotypal ramblings...
 
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2w3 So/Sx
- not self centered or hedonist enough to be a 7
- clearly heart center
- superego
- positive outlook triad (so either 2, 7 or 9) despite being abused, you are optimistic and have a positive outlook on humanity
- very much focused on others, how they view you, family, togetherness etc 2 So/Sx
- want to be seen as a superstar, w3

are you certain you aren't an NFJ? you seem Fe to me

Edit: not self centered or hedonist enough to be a 7. fixed =)
 

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alternatively I could see
- 3w2, as your father put it, you seem resilient, unusually so for a core 2, so I could see 3w2, but I still lean 2
- 2w1, definitely get a do-gooder vibe from you
- 9w1, very much averse to conflict,

as far as trifix goes, probably
- heart>gut>head
- 2w3 heart fix (possible 3w2 or 2w1)
- 9w1 gut fix
- 6w7 or 7w6 head fix

and definitely So/Sx
 
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@Arroware you certain you aren't an NFJ? you seem Fe to me
I actually kind of just went threw this in another thread. You aren't the only one who has noticed that (laughs).

http://personalitycafe.com/whats-my-personality-type/93577-clarification-type-am-i-infp.html

I strongly identify as Fi, my general headspace is often introverted and I definitely feel I have a feeling preference so to me that says Fi. I think I may come off as Fe because I consider other people versions of myself and give them the best treatment because that is what I personally would want. I treat people kindly because that is the way I would want to be treated and I mostly come to care about people threw myself, my ideas and my views. Usually when I treat people kindly or well it's more about me then them. I want to be a good impact on the world so that they know good people exist. I personally treat people this way because I can't imagine not treating people as best I can. I would be deeply disappointed in myself if I hurt others in anyway like my abusers did, so I make it a goal of mine to never hurt others and to treat other people the way I would want to be treated.

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alternatively I could see
- 3w2, as your father put it, you seem resilient, unusually so for a core 2, so I could see 3w2, but I still lean 2
- 2w1, definitely get a do-gooder vibe from you
- 9w1, very much averse to conflict,

as far as trifix goes, probably
- heart>gut>head
- 2w3 heart fix (possible 3w2 or 2w1)
- 9w1 gut fix
- 6w7 or 7w6 head fix

and definitely So/Sx
Awesome! Thanks. I'll look into those.
 

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I actually kind of just went threw this in another thread. You aren't the only one who has noticed that (laughs).
http://personalitycafe.com/whats-my-personality-type/93577-clarification-type-am-i-infp.html
I strongly identify as Fi, my general headspace is often introverted and I definitely feel I have a feeling preference so to me that says Fi. I think I may come off as Fe because I consider other people versions of myself and give them the best treatment because that is what I personally would want. I treat people kindly because that is the way I would want to be treated and I mostly come to care about people threw myself, my ideas and my views. Usually when I treat people kindly or well it's more about me then them. I want to be a good impact on the world so that they know good people exist. I personally treat people this way because I can't imagine not treating people as best I can. I would be deeply disappointed in myself if I hurt others in anyway like my abusers did, so I make it a goal of mine to never hurt others and to treat other people the way I would want to be treated.
Awesome! Thanks. I'll look into those.
in the instance that my typing of you (2w3 So/Sx) it would explain how you could look a lot like an FJ but still be an INFP (2w3 So/Sx is probably the most Fe-ish enneatype I can think of)
 
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@Arrow - I'm looking back on your post and you seem like a 2w3 or 3w2 to me. O___O How did I not see that before? I completely forgot I even replied to this thread... @[email protected] -fail- You're either 296 or 297. @Swordsman of Mana - where do you see so/sx?
he's all about bringing people together and being like one big, happy , unified family. totally So/Sx.
 

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I could see So/Sp too, but I'm leaning So/Sx at the moment. I'll take another look and consider So/Sp
Oh, so I wasn't too far off the mark to see that. x3 I thought I was being idiotic.

I thought I saw So/Sp here especially in his post:

I hope that I can make an impact. Not necessarily a huge one, but I hope that I am able to leave an impression on people and through that impression on at least one person that can build into something bigger and bigger until it becomes a movement. I want to make people understand that we are all connected in some way and its through that connection that we have to be true and kind to one another. I hope I can get people that I come into contact with to see that we are all similar because we are people and that should be valued.
Can relate 100%. XD "If only I could make one dent on the world." It's that feeling where you feel like you've got a message that you just want to tell people. All people as a whole. I see society like that a lot, I think. I saw in his posts a want to form connections. There was this stable feel too. It just seemed very So/Sp.
 
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