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Ok, so we all know that beyond the core issue of a person's basic fear there can be a number of reasons for why an individual does not appear to be a particular type due to lacking the most common traits found in his/her tribe.

Here I will primarily argue for the point that type 6s are not always hypervigilant, but as 6s tend to be curious about motives I will be clear that I am arguing this because I believe I am a type 6 and I am not hypervigilant.

Hypervigilance is due to feeling that the type 6s security is in question. As a person's life, social status, and relationships are all vulnerable, there is always a reason to believe that one of them, particularly the one driven by the primary instinct, is open to attack.

However, 6s may lean to the other side, having dogmatic faith in something that allays their anxiety. This is where the loyalty side comes in. So either the type is fiercely loyal or fiercely skeptical. But it always seems to be the case that there is a reason to believe that something is under attack.

So, what's a situation where a type 6 would feel that, even if something bad happens, there wouldn't be much security lost? My solution (and personal perspective) is that the type 6 may be either naive (at a young age) or, having lost that naivety, may feel that there's not much to lose. In other words, if the type 6 isn't invested in what will be lost, there is no reason to be hypervigilant about it.

This is arguably an unhealthy state to be in when it involves not being invested in life in general, but regardless of the lack of investment, there will be an integration to 9 due to having gotten past the feelings of anxiety so characteristic of type 6s. I should also add that this may lead to anxiety and hypervigilance only in the area of the dominant instinct (social status or relationships).
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However, 6s may lean to the other side, having dogmatic faith in something that allays their anxiety. This is where the loyalty side comes in. So either the type is fiercely loyal or fiercely skeptical. But it always seems to be the case that there is a reason to believe that something is under attack.
I'd say that my life has alternated between the two extremes, for the most part. In more healthy states I wouldn't be aggravated about the loss. In a skeptical state, nothing seems of importance or worthy of investing in. The latter sometimes accompanies a depression of sorts >>

"Nothing worth believing in, everything is a lie!" mood.

So, what's a situation where a type 6 would feel that, even if something bad happens, there wouldn't be much security lost? My solution (and personal perspective) is that the type 6 may be either naive (at a young age) or, having lost that naivety, may feel that there's not much to lose. In other words, if the type 6 isn't invested in what will be lost, there is no reason to be hypervigilant about it.

This is arguably an unhealthy state to be in when it involves not being invested in life in general, but regardless of the lack of investment, there will be an integration to 9 due to having gotten past the feelings of anxiety so characteristic of type 6s. I should also add that this may lead to anxiety and hypervigilance only in the area of the dominant instinct (social status or relationships).
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I can see where you would think not being involved is a 9-ish unhealthy state. But I do believe that when 6s merge into 9ness it's aimed towards the healthy part of the 9 where he can establish peace, as opposed to *devil-advocating*.

On the other hand I propose that you, like me, are a 7 winger. Not being too involved as a fear mechanism where you need options and back up plans.

It is still interesting for me to read the effects of the 7 wing on the 6.

I recommend this site for further reading on types: Sevens - the enneagram ...info from the underground
 

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On the other hand I propose that you, like me, are a 7 winger. Not being too involved as a fear mechanism where you need options and back up plans.
Except that not only do I consistently type with a very strong 5 and a very weak 7 (i.e. near last), but also I have very few of the 7 attributes aside from a love of novelty (and even then it is a conceptual novelty). But I think you're picking up on, perhaps, my sx-dominance.

I've seen ocean moonshine. It's definitely a good reference site.
 

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So, what's a situation where a type 6 would feel that, even if something bad happens, there wouldn't be much security lost? My solution (and personal perspective) is that the type 6 may be either naive (at a young age) or, having lost that naivety, may feel that there's not much to lose. In other words, if the type 6 isn't invested in what will be lost, there is no reason to be hypervigilant about it.
When the thing that's bad does not threaten the security structure, it's generally not a problem- as long as the security structure wasn't built to prevent that specific unwanted occurance. For example, I'm taking a course that will more or less garuantee me a job. 90% of people who take the course fail utterly, and there's not many people who want to study it in the first place (tax law). However, there's a huge demand for tax specialists on the job market (at least in my country).

One of the reasons I chose this course is that it will get me a good, stable job where I'll earn a lot of money (and I happen to enjoy it too, win/win :tongue:). The degree is my 'security bulwark'. If a certain company doesn't hire me in the future, I couldn't give a rat's ass. There's a million other companies who would love to have me instead. As arrogant as that sounds, it's the truth. The (99%+) certainty that I have when it comes to getting a job, and the tremendous amount of uncertainty potential employers have as to whether they will find a suitable candidate in the next years puts me in a position of power (in a way). So I don't think a 6 would be bothered too much if they're pretty much certain they'll eventually get what they want and can just condifently say "it's your loss", without having to doubt whether it isn't actually their own loss instead.
 
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