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Absolutely wrong about that, bud. Those born in the late 90s and early 00s would definitely would remember a time before everything went digital, but they are too young to be Millennials, hence the term "Post-Millennial". Even those born in the mid 00s could possibly remember a pre-digital world, but they don't remember a pre-smartphone world, so they would be the start of the iGen cohort.

Post Millennial is anyone born after the millennial generation(including people who are/can be part of Gen Alpha).If you are trying to describe post millennial as in Gen Z people with millennial overlap,that's wrong there's no millennial overlap at all,even with the oldest of Gen Zers. It's a lot more simple to just say Gen Z, as opposed to "post millennial for the 1st half of Gen Z and igen for the second half of Gen Z". We can separate the first half of Gen Z from the second of Gen Z like this,using my 1997-2014 definition.

1997-2005- 1st half for Gen Z(1997-2002 would be fully early Gen Z with 2003 and 2004 being cusp between early Gen Z and core Gen Z with 2005 being fully core Gen Z)

2006-2014-second half of Gen Z (people born from 2006-2007 would be fully core Gen Z with people born from 2008-2009 being cusp between core Gen Z an late Gen Z.2010 would be fully late Gen Z with 2011-2018 would be Gen Z/Gen Alpha cusp)
 

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yes thats a good estimation of the generations too, the Millennial generation should start in the early 80s and end in the mid 90s
however the late 90s borns who claim to be millenials are lying to themselves akin to how early 80s borns claim to be the last facets of Gen X lol
I could see early 80s babies as Gen Xers. It's not a sure thing at all that they are fully millennials and to suggest otherwise is ridiculous. For I think people born from 1980-1983 can choose to be late Gen X,early millennial,or in between.Also early 80s babies are a lot more comparable to mid 90s babies than late 90s babies far what uncertainty which Generation they are apart,and even then there's a far higher chance that mid 90s babies are millennials than early 80s babies being millennials. Now I do agree with you on late 90s babies. They are fully Gen Z with no millennial influences at all.
 

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I could see early 80s babies as Gen Xers. It's not a sure thing at all that they are fully millennials and to suggest otherwise is ridiculous. For I think people born from 1980-1983 can choose to be late Gen X,early millennial,or in between.Also early 80s babies are a lot more comparable to mid 90s babies than late 90s babies far what uncertainty which Generation they are apart,and even then there's a far higher chance that mid 90s babies are millennials than early 80s babies being millennials. Now I do agree with you on late 90s babies. They are fully Gen Z with no millennial influences at all.
yes thats what i noticed too, i for example (core millennial) feels like the mid 90s babies are the youngest group whom i feel at home with, but once you get to those born in 1997 and onwards it just feels off

i also agree that late 90s babies are more like mid 00s babies then those born in the mid 90s
 

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early 80s babies could be Gen Xers, but that would mean that late 90s babies are millennials, like it or not. Unless you only think mid 80s-mid 90s babies are millennials?
 

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early 80s babies could be Gen Xers, but that would mean that late 90s babies are millennials, like it or not. Unless you only think mid 80s-mid 90s babies are millennials?
People born in the early 80s have way more of a case to be Gen Xers than late 90s babies being millennial.Think about.I don't see much of a difference between late 70s babies and early 80s babies,and I could even see early 80s babies relating to mid 70s babies to a small extent.Also early 80s babies did grew up with both Gen Z things and millennial things as well. Late 90s babies on the other,the differences between them and mid 90s babies is large.They pretty grew up with strictly Gen Z stuff during childhood and teenage years with honestly no millennial influences at all.Late 90s babies have no case of being millennials at all. Also, yes I believe only mid 80s-mid 90s babies would be millennials. Generations don't have to be 15 years. Generation can only be 12 year long. Having the millennial Generation being from 1984-1996 is actually better than the 1981-1996 definition that the Pew Research center had the millennial Generation lasting, considering it only covers those who were in K-12 Schooling during 9/11,instead of also including college students like the Pew Research center does.
 

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yes thats what i noticed too, i for example (core millennial) feels like the mid 90s babies are the youngest group whom i feel at home with, but once you get to those born in 1997 and onwards it just feels off

i also agree that late 90s babies are more like mid 00s babies then those born in the mid 90s
I understand how you feel. Once get past 1996,the difference really,really show.There's even a large difference between those born in 1996 and those born in 1997,contrary to what most believe. I feel the youngest I can relate to myself is those born in 1996.
 

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yes thats what i noticed too, i for example (core millennial) feels like the mid 90s babies are the youngest group whom i feel at home with, but once you get to those born in 1997 and onwards it just feels off

i also agree that late 90s babies are more like mid 00s babies then those born in the mid 90s
Lmao, that is just not true.

How can someone born in, say '98, have more in common with someone born in '05... someone born after 9/11, just 2 years of age when the first iPhone was released, someone, who today just finished middle school, than someone say three years older, born in '95, who is currently in the work force? '98 borns are going to be seniors in college this fall and are turning 21 this year.

To compare them with current middle schoolers rather than those who they were actually in high school with is pretty ridiculous.

Just sayin.
 

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Lmao, that is just not true.

How can someone born in, say '98, have more in common with someone born in '05... someone born after 9/11, just 2 years of age when the first iPhone was released, someone, who today just finished middle school, than someone say three years older, born in '95, who is currently in the work force? '98 borns are going to be seniors in college this fall and are turning 21 this year.

To compare them with current middle schoolers rather than those who they were actually in high school with is pretty ridiculous.

Just sayin.
you have autism right?
 

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Hilarious.

I experienced by high school years with both cohorts (late-90s and mid-00s). Ask someone who actually has such an experience, instead of being so dense form stupid generalizations.
im sure those born in 96 and 2004 would disagree with you though
 

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I was born in 1996 which makes me a late Millennial, but a couple of sources I've come across list 1995 as the cut-off year for Generation Y. Overall I still believe that I'm a Millennial because I identify with some "core" Millennial traits much more than with Generation Z.

-I didn't have access to a smartphone until I was 12, which means I spent pretty much all of my childhood without stuff like iPhone and iPod etc. I see kids these days play games on their phones and iPads starting from a young age. Back when I was their age the Playstation 2, a couple of MMOs, and some books made me happy.

-Generation Z is sometimes referred to as being more traditional minded than Generation Y. According to some studies, Generation Z cares more about traditional indicators of "well-being" such as owning a house, marriage, job security / promotions, can have more traditionally minded gender roles, and value structures / customs. Other than wanting to get married (out of personal will rather than out of compliance with social norms and rites of passage-I think the whole RoP idea is utterly insane and stupid), none of these apply to me. In fact, part of me is a bit skeptical about marriage as an institution of the state. I absolutely plan on spending the rest of my life with one person, but I don't like the state sticking its nose into any of my business. I am an anarchist deep down and I value my personal privacy and freedom way too much. However, part of me is still attached to the idea of marriage.

-I'm less tech savvy than a lot of my younger contemporaries and I'd imagine myself to be totally clueless when it comes to the stuff that the children of today will access once they get older. It doesn't really bother me anyway that I've fallen really behind when it comes to tech, because I feel a lot of the stuff is unnecessary anyway and I have worries about the future of technology as it's increasingly used for less-than-noble purposes.

-I've heard that Generation Y is less socially and politically active on average than Generation Z. I wish these kids good luck if they're really trying to make the world a better place, though a lot of the stuff that's been happening doesn't resonate with my values. If it's true that Generation Z's more politically and socially active while Y's more averse to stuff like politics, then I identify much more with Y than Z.

-I feel like both Y and Z are, on average, more international-minded than previous generations. I'm all for a degree of healthy diversity, but I'm far from being the most open to new ideas and new cultures. The vast majority of my friends are of the same ethnicity as me, but that could simply be because I've spent pretty much all my life surrounded by an ethnic enclave of sorts.

Personally I feel Z starts in 1998. The individuals I know born in 1997, some are showing Generation Z traits, some are still more Millennial. Overall I'd say those born in '97 are still part of Y. Keep in mind 1998 is when Neptune really moves into Aquarius, in 1997 it moved for a while back into Capricorn.

However, when it comes to actually classifying individuals it's much more complex than just labeling them as Gen X, Y, or Z. Remember that we're all different, of different natures and upbringings.

I do notice that I tend to have an easier time befriending people who are older than me. It's been that way for as long as I can remember. Even when I was a kid there were some who told me I already possessed, in some ways, wisdom beyond my years. At the same time, I've managed to retain my innocence and being child-like. Not to boast about myself but this combination has made me quite charismatic.
As a '98er, I can't agree with this. You can't separate me from a '97 baby, because:
1) We were in the same place during 9/11 (Preschool/Pre-K), and technically are the last who would've been "in school/in a classroom" when the attacks occurred.
2) We entered elementary school (Kindergarten) during the Web 1.0 era (In Fall 2002 and 2003, respectively), when dial-up was still widely in use. Keep in mind, broadband didn't officially overtake dial-up until mid-2004.
3) We each spent the majority of our childhoods (I consider childhood ages 3-11) under the 6th gaming generation rather than the 7th gaming generation.
4) We left elementary and entered middle school prior to the tech boom in 2010, with the launch of the iPad and social media becoming popular.
5) We graduated high school (C/O 2015 and 2016, respectively) under Obama as President and were in college for Trump's election. This also means we were the youngest who voted in that election, alongside '95 and '96 babies who were also in college at the time.
6) Since we had already left high school by the time of the Parkland shooting and the beginning of the walkout protests, we did not participate in them at all.

I personally believe Gen Z begins in 1999 or 2000, but that's a topic for another day.
 

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I said it before, I'll say it again.
The 18-year theory is the best theory out there for the BB-X-Y-Z model. With all cohorts being 18 years long, it makes it so the generations are all logical smooth sailing, and not some arbitrary rollercoaster. The cutoffs also have meaning beyond mathematics as well, which I will get into below;

1910-1927 = Greatest Generation
Starts at 1910 because they would've still been under 30 when World War II started in 1939.
Ends at 1927 because they would've been 18 in 1945, the last to come of age before the war ended.

1928-1945 = Silent Generation
Starts at 1928 because they would've still been under 18 when World War II ended in 1945.
Ends at 1945 because they were the last to be born during World War II, before the baby boom.

1946-1963 = Baby Boomers
Starts at 1946 because that's the first full birth year after World War II, the start of the post-war baby boom.
Ends at 1963 because they were the last to come of age before MTV came out in 1981.

1964-1981 = Generation X
Starts at 1964 because they were the first to come of age after MTV came out in 1981.
Ends at 1981 because they were the last to come of age before Y2K.

1982-1999 = Millennials
Starts at 1982 because they were the first to come of age after Y2K.
Ends at 1999 because they were the last to be born before Y2K.

2000-2017 = Plurals
Starts at 2000 because they were the first to be born after Y2K.
The 2017 end date will need to wait until 2035/36 to be fulfilled, as they're still toddlers right now, but it should still work.

I'm also not focusing on high school graduation classes here, because those vary by country. Not only that, but many never graduate high school, and drop out instead. Turning 18, on the other hand, is a constant variable. There are admittedly some catches here, like World War II didn't end on December 31, 1945, or that MTV didn't come out on January 1, 1982, but the estimates are meant to be rough. No model can be perfect, every model is going to have a flaw here and there, but the key is to look for the model that is superior, not the one that is perfect, as the latter doesn't exist.


As for cusps, I don't believe in cusps. I know many people like to use them as a compromise, but in a way, it actually makes things worse, not better, as you'll still have to split the cusp range in half, not only that but there's still a cutoff for this cusp range.
I do believe however that those born close to the previous or succeeding generation will have significant influences of that generation that will rival the influences of their own generation, here's how it would go;

1976-1977 = X with minor Y influences
1978-1979 = X with moderate Y influences
1980-1981 = X with major Y influences

1982-1983 = Y with major X influences
1984-1985 = Y with moderate X influences
1986-1987 = Y with minor X influences

1988-1993 = Core Millennials

1994-1995 = Y with minor Z influences
1996-1997 = Y with moderate Z influences
1998-1999 = Y with major Z influences

2000-2001 = Z with major Y influences
2002-2003 = Z with moderate Y influences
2004-2005 = Z with minor Y influences

2006-2011 = Core Plurals
 

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I said it before, I'll say it again.
The 18-year theory is the best theory out there for the BB-X-Y-Z model. With all cohorts being 18 years long, it makes it so the generations are all logical smooth sailing, and not some arbitrary rollercoaster. The cutoffs also have meaning beyond mathematics as well, which I will get into below;

1910-1927 = Greatest Generation
Starts at 1910 because they would've still been under 30 when World War II started in 1939.
Ends at 1927 because they would've been 18 in 1945, the last to come of age before the war ended.

1928-1945 = Silent Generation
Starts at 1928 because they would've still been under 18 when World War II ended in 1945.
Ends at 1945 because they were the last to be born during World War II, before the baby boom.

1946-1963 = Baby Boomers
Starts at 1946 because that's the first full birth year after World War II, the start of the post-war baby boom.
Ends at 1963 because they were the last to come of age before MTV came out in 1981.

1964-1981 = Generation X
Starts at 1964 because they were the first to come of age after MTV came out in 1981.
Ends at 1981 because they were the last to come of age before Y2K.

1982-1999 = Millennials
Starts at 1982 because they were the first to come of age after Y2K.
Ends at 1999 because they were the last to be born before Y2K.

2000-2017 = Plurals
Starts at 2000 because they were the first to be born after Y2K.
The 2017 end date will need to wait until 2035/36 to be fulfilled, as they're still toddlers right now, but it should still work.

I'm also not focusing on high school graduation classes here, because those vary by country. Not only that, but many never graduate high school, and drop out instead. Turning 18, on the other hand, is a constant variable. There are admittedly some catches here, like World War II didn't end on December 31, 1945, or that MTV didn't come out on January 1, 1982, but the estimates are meant to be rough. No model can be perfect, every model is going to have a flaw here and there, but the key is to look for the model that is superior, not the one that is perfect, as the latter doesn't exist.


As for cusps, I don't believe in cusps. I know many people like to use them as a compromise, but in a way, it actually makes things worse, not better, as you'll still have to split the cusp range in half, not only that but there's still a cutoff for this cusp range.
I do believe however that those born close to the previous or succeeding generation will have significant influences of that generation that will rival the influences of their own generation, here's how it would go;

1976-1977 = X with minor Y influences
1978-1979 = X with moderate Y influences
1980-1981 = X with major Y influences

1982-1983 = Y with major X influences
1984-1985 = Y with moderate X influences
1986-1987 = Y with minor X influences

1988-1993 = Core Millennials

1994-1995 = Y with minor Z influences
1996-1997 = Y with moderate Z influences
1998-1999 = Y with major Z influences

2000-2001 = Z with major Y influences
2002-2003 = Z with moderate Y influences
2004-2005 = Z with minor Y influences

2006-2011 = Core Plurals
I really like this 18-year theory as well, balancing it out for all generations since the Greatest Generation. I currently just use the Pew 16-year model after Boomers, but it's not the best method, even though that is the one I am using right now.
 

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I said it before, I'll say it again.
The 18-year theory is the best theory out there for the BB-X-Y-Z model. With all cohorts being 18 years long, it makes it so the generations are all logical smooth sailing, and not some arbitrary rollercoaster. The cutoffs also have meaning beyond mathematics as well, which I will get into below;

1910-1927 = Greatest Generation
Starts at 1910 because they would've still been under 30 when World War II started in 1939.
Ends at 1927 because they would've been 18 in 1945, the last to come of age before the war ended.

1928-1945 = Silent Generation
Starts at 1928 because they would've still been under 18 when World War II ended in 1945.
Ends at 1945 because they were the last to be born during World War II, before the baby boom.

1946-1963 = Baby Boomers
Starts at 1946 because that's the first full birth year after World War II, the start of the post-war baby boom.
Ends at 1963 because they were the last to come of age before MTV came out in 1981.

1964-1981 = Generation X
Starts at 1964 because they were the first to come of age after MTV came out in 1981.
Ends at 1981 because they were the last to come of age before Y2K.

1982-1999 = Millennials
Starts at 1982 because they were the first to come of age after Y2K.
Ends at 1999 because they were the last to be born before Y2K.

2000-2017 = Plurals
Starts at 2000 because they were the first to be born after Y2K.
The 2017 end date will need to wait until 2035/36 to be fulfilled, as they're still toddlers right now, but it should still work.

I'm also not focusing on high school graduation classes here, because those vary by country. Not only that, but many never graduate high school, and drop out instead. Turning 18, on the other hand, is a constant variable. There are admittedly some catches here, like World War II didn't end on December 31, 1945, or that MTV didn't come out on January 1, 1982, but the estimates are meant to be rough. No model can be perfect, every model is going to have a flaw here and there, but the key is to look for the model that is superior, not the one that is perfect, as the latter doesn't exist.


As for cusps, I don't believe in cusps. I know many people like to use them as a compromise, but in a way, it actually makes things worse, not better, as you'll still have to split the cusp range in half, not only that but there's still a cutoff for this cusp range.
I do believe however that those born close to the previous or succeeding generation will have significant influences of that generation that will rival the influences of their own generation, here's how it would go;

1976-1977 = X with minor Y influences
1978-1979 = X with moderate Y influences
1980-1981 = X with major Y influences

1982-1983 = Y with major X influences
1984-1985 = Y with moderate X influences
1986-1987 = Y with minor X influences

1988-1993 = Core Millennials

1994-1995 = Y with minor Z influences
1996-1997 = Y with moderate Z influences
1998-1999 = Y with major Z influences

2000-2001 = Z with major Y influences
2002-2003 = Z with moderate Y influences
2004-2005 = Z with minor Y influences

2006-2011 = Core Plurals
I think it is a good definition and span so far.I am also using Pew research center's definition which is a 16 years model for Gen X,Y and Z right now after Boomers.I am also not really a fan of cusp. That is yours.Here is mine.Yes it is based on Pew Research Centre.

1910-1927-Greatest Generation
Starts at 1910 because they would've still been under 30 when World War II started in 1939.
Ends at 1927 because they would've been 18 in 1945, the last to come of age before the war ended.
1928-1945-Silent Generation
Starts at 1928 because they would've still been under 18 when World War II ended in 1945.
Ends at 1945 because they were the last to be born during World War II, before the baby boom.
1946-1964-Baby Boomers
Starts at 1946 because that's the first full birth year after World War II, the start of the post-war baby boom.
Ends at 1964 because they were the last to come of age before the breakthrough of MTV.And they turned 16 before 1981 or Reagan become the President of USA or before Gen X culture become bigger.

1965-1980-Generation X
Started at 1965 because they came of age during the breakthrough of MTV in 1983.
And They turn 16 when Gen X become bigger
Ended at 1980 because IDK.
1981-1996-Millennials
Started at 1981
Ended at 1996

1997-2012-Gen Z.
Started at 1997
Ended at 2012 because of December 21st 2012's false prophecy

I think we need it to be objective.
 

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Here is my favorite way of looking at Gen Z

Early Z: 97-98 - 02-03 (Classes of 2016-2021)

Early Early Z: 97-99 (C/O 2016-2017)
Core Early Z: 99-01 (C/O 2018-2019)
Late Early Z: 01-03 (C/O 2020-2021)

Core Z: 03-04 - 08-09 (Classes of 2022-2027)

Early Core Z: 03-05 (C/O 2022-2023)
Core Core Z: 05-07 (C/O 2024-2025)
Late Core Z: 07-09 (C/O 2026-2027)

Late Z: 09-10 - 14-15 (Classes of 2028-2033)

Early Late Z: 09-11 (C/O 2028-2029)
Core Late Z: 11-13 (C/O 2030-2031)
Late Late Z: 13-15 (C/O 2032-2033)
 

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Early Z: 97-98 - 02-03 (Classes of 2016-2021)

Early Early Z: 97-99 (C/O 2016-2017)
Core Early Z: 99-01 (C/O 2018-2019)
Late Early Z: 01-03 (C/O 2020-2021)

Core Z: 03-04 - 08-09 (Classes of 2022-2027)

Early Core Z: 03-05 (C/O 2022-2023)
Core Core Z: 05-07 (C/O 2024-2025)
Late Core Z: 07-09 (C/O 2026-2027)

Late Z: 09-10 - 14-15 (Classes of 2028-2033)

Early Late Z: 09-11 (C/O 2028-2029)
Core Late Z: 11-13 (C/O 2030-2031)
Late Late Z: 13-15 (C/O 2032-2033)
Hey, aren't you from Reddit?
 

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Early Z: 97-98 - 02-03 (Classes of 2016-2021)

Early Early Z: 97-99 (C/O 2016-2017)
Core Early Z: 99-01 (C/O 2018-2019)
Late Early Z: 01-03 (C/O 2020-2021)

Core Z: 03-04 - 08-09 (Classes of 2022-2027)

Early Core Z: 03-05 (C/O 2022-2023)
Core Core Z: 05-07 (C/O 2024-2025)
Late Core Z: 07-09 (C/O 2026-2027)

Late Z: 09-10 - 14-15 (Classes of 2028-2033)

Early Late Z: 09-11 (C/O 2028-2029)
Core Late Z: 11-13 (C/O 2030-2031)
Late Late Z: 13-15 (C/O 2032-2033)
Dividing generations by graduating class doesn't work very well, as Captain pointed out in another post on here. Some students can drop out of school and never graduate at all, start school early/late, fall behind or skip a grade, or even immigrate from another country to complete school.

Even so, the 97-98 class is a better place to end Y rather than begin Z, due to being the last class that graduated under Obama rather than Trump as President, as well as being able to vote in the 2016 Election, which will be remembered 20-30 years down the road as one of the most pivotal moments in American history.
 

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Dividing generations by graduating class doesn't work very well, as Captain pointed out in another post on here. Some students can drop out of school and never graduate at all, start school early/late, fall behind or skip a grade, or even immigrate from another country to complete school.

Even so, the 97-98 class is a better place to end Y rather than begin Z, due to being the last class that graduated under Obama rather than Trump as President, as well as being able to vote in the 2016 Election, which will be remembered 20-30 years down the road as one of the most pivotal moments in American history.
To be fair though, other than the fact that the 97-98 class voted in 2016 and that they graduated high school under Obama, everything else about them seems more Gen Z to me. They were the first to spend majority of high school in the mid 2010s, first to finish up their bachelors in the 2020s, even when they were in high school, Trump was still everywhere on the news during his campaign, going by the core childhood definition of 6-10, they wouldn’t have spent any of their core childhood years in the early 2000s. While going with the 5-11 main childhood definition, they would’ve spent all of their main childhood during the mid and late 2000s, while only one in the early 2000s. Their peak childhood year was 2006 which is known as the first Gen Z childhood year, they didn’t spend a full year of middle school in the 2000s, they entered high school when Instagram and Snapchat were starting to rise, they were still in elementary school when Obama got elected and the Great Recession was still going on and ended when they entered middle school. All of these factors convince me of them being the First Early Z class
 

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Early Z: 97-98 - 02-03 (Classes of 2016-2021)

Early Early Z: 97-99 (C/O 2016-2017)
Core Early Z: 99-01 (C/O 2018-2019)
Late Early Z: 01-03 (C/O 2020-2021)

Core Z: 03-04 - 08-09 (Classes of 2022-2027)

Early Core Z: 03-05 (C/O 2022-2023)
Core Core Z: 05-07 (C/O 2024-2025)
Late Core Z: 07-09 (C/O 2026-2027)

Late Z: 09-10 - 14-15 (Classes of 2028-2033)

Early Late Z: 09-11 (C/O 2028-2029)
Core Late Z: 11-13 (C/O 2030-2031)
Late Late Z: 13-15 (C/O 2032-2033)
No I do not think you should define it by classes lol as captain had pointed out that they are people who use different school systems throughout the world like me,THY9899,SharkFanBlue and other people as you know I am a Malaysian Chinese who is currently staying in Brunei. For more information you can see what captain has posted about 9/11 fallacy and what he says about using classes to define it https://www.personalitycafe.com/generations/653098-why-generations-should-split-graduating-class-not-year-15.html
 

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No I do not think you should define it by classes lol as captain had pointed out that they are people who use different school systems throughout the world like me,THY9899,SharkFanBlue and other people as you know I am a Malaysian Chinese who is currently staying in Brunei. For more information you can see what captain has posted about 9/11 fallacy and what he says about using classes to define it
Most people who voted in that poll tend to agree that you should define it by graduating class. But if I had to make an international version of the definition, it would probably be Early Z 1998-2003, Core Z 2004-2009, and Late Z 2010-2015
 
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