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How do you react when you can tell that someone is completely wrong. i.e. Their facts are wrong, their interpretation of the data is wrong, their "logic" is also all wrong, and their assumptions are totally wrong.

Say that you can tell and nobody else in the room can or seems to.

What do you do? Say? Think? Feel?

And, how often does this happen to you?
 

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i consider the effects and the best method of correcting them

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i hold my tongue and smile at the fact that people think/understand things differently to myself :)

how often? doesnt happen too often and ill keep quiet about it more often than not about it, maybe i should speak up more when i notice it? i tend to just think it haha
 

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More often than not, I correct them (unless it’s something completely irrelevant). That includes bosses, subordinates, colleagues, co-workers, students, relatives and friends. It’s not even something intentional. It just happens naturally. Perhaps I unconsciously feel it’s necessary. Most people I interact with appreciate it but I know not everybody likes it. However, I also expect to be corrected if I’m wrong. There’s no need to take things personally.
 
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"The Earth is flat!!"____________________________ "Vaccines causes autism and cancer."
________________________"It's part of God's plan" ___________________________________"Those planes are spreading chemicals"
__________"Political Correctness"______________________"Pizza tastes good with pineapple"


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Let them tucker themselves out, while meanwhile formulating a few good paragraphs that, if the problem person continues, can summarize my correct position, or why I think the topic is not of any interest, or why there are several competing but irreconcilable theories, and provide some resources for further reading, if it's something I know something about.

Or I might just insult them, in pretty crude, blue language, and observe their response for lolz, if it's been one of those days.
 

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This is a hangup for me and something I'm currently trying to work on. I feel it's a moral obligation to correct people when they spread misinformation. However, I believe that I need to re-evaluate the best method to do this, when it's appropriate and when it's not, and consider that facts may differ coming from different places.

For quick reference, a sociologist is more likely to use the term "sociopath" while a psychologist is more likely to use the term "psychopath". However, psychologists are the only ones who have bothered to attempt to define psychopathy. Still, if we're essentially talking about the same thing, does it really matter which term is used? I want to be the sort of person who doesn't nitpick like that. Currently I'm not.

Or, there are other situations where this might happen. For example, in MBTI, "intuition" and "judging" means something different than casual use of the term(s).

Anyway, I get pretty swept away if it's in an area of expertise. It only happens about once every 3 months or so, but when it does happen it affects me more than I like. I know that I need to re-evaluate how to respond to situations like this and I'm currently in the process of doing just that. I think the key is in laying down my beliefs about what I'm morally obligated to do and what I'm not morally obligated to do. I know I'm not a high Fi user, but I think it's my Fi getting a bit out of hand when this happens.

Good question; I'm hoping that more people will answer as well.
 

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I usually put a type on them first.

After that I try to figure out what is the most likely agenda behind stating that.

Then I need to consider my own agenda.

With those three factors in mind, I should be able to figure out what to reply.
Not that I am always able to do it that orderly, but ideally that is what I would do.
 

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I corrected my brand new boss yesterday. Because he was wrong. Not a smart move on my part, but he seemed to accept it pretty well, although it meant he had to completely redo a task.

When I was younger I corrected people all the time. As I got older I realized that sometimes I am also wrong, so I try to be sure I know what I am talking about before I open my mouth. I also try to remember that sometimes it is better to not say anything, but I often forget. When someone is saying something that I know is incorrect or untrue, it is like an itch needing to be scratched.
 

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I corrected my brand new boss yesterday. Because he was wrong. Not a smart move on my part, but he seemed to accept it pretty well, although it meant he had to completely redo a task.

When I was younger I corrected people all the time. As I got older I realized that sometimes I am also wrong, so I try to be sure I know what I am talking about before I open my mouth. I also try to remember that sometimes it is better to not say anything, but I often forget. When someone is saying something that I know is incorrect or untrue, it is like an itch needing to be scratched.
A scratch with an itch is a good way to describe it.

Though I think the difference between you and me is that people actually do something about it. Whereas, I just get straight up ignored.

It's mind-boggling. Maybe I'm not explaining it logically enough.
 

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A scratch with an itch is a good way to describe it.

Though I think the difference between you and me is that people actually do something about it. Whereas, I just get straight up ignored.

It's mind-boggling. Maybe I'm not explaining it logically enough.
No, you are clear. I used to get ignored a lot too, like they don't even hear me. This has gotten better now that I am older. Now I am one of the veterans at my workplace, and that helps a lot. Also, just looking older helps. I looked like a teenager until I was about 30, and it was incredibly frustrating sometimes.
 

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I am normally pretty mild-mannered, but if someone is completely wrong then I get a strong impulse to speak up and can be very aggressive about attacking their views. Because Ni leads me to understand issues from all perspectives, I can usually understand the arguments that lead people to hold a particular view. If those arguments are terrible and not based on reality, then I have very little respect for those views.

I have worked hard over the past few years to learn to bear with people being stupid, because most people enjoy holding their own views and hate being contradicted, even if you can clearly show that their worldview is based on utter nonsense, and it can be dangerous at times to speak truth to people. I'd rather be safe than convince other people I'm right, because deep down I still know that they are wrong.
 

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I am normally pretty mild-mannered, but if someone is completely wrong then I get a strong impulse to speak up and can be very aggressive about attacking their views. Because Ni leads me to understand issues from all perspectives, I can usually understand the arguments that lead people to hold a particular view. If those arguments are terrible and not based on reality, then I have very little respect for those views.

I have worked hard over the past few years to learn to bear with people being stupid, because most people enjoy holding their own views and hate being contradicted, even if you can clearly show that their worldview is based on utter nonsense, and it can be dangerous at times to speak truth to people. I'd rather be safe than convince other people I'm right, because deep down I still know that they are wrong.
1, I'd be interested in comparing notes on how to handle this myself once I have enough notes to share, that is. I'll keep you in mind and maybe send you a PM once I've done enough research on myself.

2, do you find that your agenda is to change the other person's mind or is it to help other people come to their own conclusions? The reason I ask is that I don't usually feel compelled to change the other person's mind as much as I feel compelled that anyone who may see the misinformation at least has an alternate way of looking at the subject.

But then again, most of the dissonance I face is actually on the Internet. Other than a few confusing family members, I don't really feel this sort of thing in my day-to-day life offline.
 

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"Pizza tastes good with pineapple"


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except whether pizza tastes good is a subjective experience, one which many people, myself included, do experience. And it is an objective undeniable fact that my brain and other people's brains fires dopamine and neurons corresponding to intense pleasure when eating pizza w/ pineapple. ...So clearly your insinuation that "Pizza tastes good with pineapple" is plainly wrong is itself ironically obviously plainly wrong ... but then again I'm guessing you were just being fascitious, esp since you listed that example last.
 

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1, I'd be interested in comparing notes on how to handle this myself once I have enough notes to share, that is. I'll keep you in mind and maybe send you a PM once I've done enough research on myself.

2, do you find that your agenda is to change the other person's mind or is it to help other people come to their own conclusions? The reason I ask is that I don't usually feel compelled to change the other person's mind as much as I feel compelled that anyone who may see the misinformation at least has an alternate way of looking at the subject.

But then again, most of the dissonance I face is actually on the Internet. Other than a few confusing family members, I don't really feel this sort of thing in my day-to-day life offline.
I do find that I am trying to convince third parties. My ideal outcome would be to see the other person admit that I am right, but realistically I know that that has little chance of happening. As such, I am always keeping an eye to the hypothetical fence-sitter.

I would just laugh to myself and let the issue go, except I know that other people are reading our exchange and it bothers me deeply to imagine that someone might see the other person get the last word and conclude that I simply had no response and ran away. For this reason, I have been dragged into some really long debates fighting against some really lousy positions. I remember when I first started posting on internet forums, I sunk myself in a weeks long debate against some fellow who insisted that homosexuality is a choice, and when it was over I concluded that it was absolutely not worth the time I spent on it.
 

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Most of this is rather situational, I cannot think of any one time I feel an impulsive need to (correct) random specimen(s); simply because they are "just plain wrong," assuming such 'wrongness', hasn't any deterimental effects—(beyond their own self-defeatism). It also depends on the 'types of facts, data,' et al that is wrong or distorted. I am not going out of my way to correct small / miniscule incorrect facts, faulty logic, or wrong data.

For instance, I encountered (2) strangers debating about political-affairs, with both seemingly (incorrect) data. I simply sat back, shook my head, smirked in amusement, and left when bored.


How do you react when you can tell that someone is completely wrong. i.e. Their facts are wrong
I simply pose an alternative / counter-answer, and see how they respond. If the specimen is receptive; I will pose a correction via an incentive to correct. Aside from vocabularly Nazism, I am not a fact, logic, nor data Nazi outside of work and/or localities where demonstrably wrongness is highly costly or in localities where facts, logic, and data are up for discussion (re: intellectual discussions).



their interpretation of the data is wrong,
I question (rather than correct); how they came to the result of (X)-data. I am more curious & careful; than impulsive when it comes to data/statistics, et al.

Their "logic" is also all wrong,
99% of specimen(s) utilize faulty/inconsistent logic and/or being accompanied by high-functioning cognitive-biases & fallacies. I do not care about other specimen(s) logical processes, nor correcting them unless it is deemed necessary.

I am not that detailed/attentive in the small things.

their assumptions are totally wrong.
It would be dependent on the "assumption," and what they plan to do with it. I would say, 70% of the time, I do not care about assumption(s); unless said assumptions are being spread as truths and/or facts in circumstances that have a substantial effect on the system or subject(s).


See above. Sometimes nothing, sometimes something.


"LOL, what is this guy talking about?"

Hmm...


And, how often does this happen to you?
A few times a day, I suppose. Again, I am not [that] detailed.
 

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when is just one thing wrong i always say it, even more when my advise help the other person to solve things that had been troubling them, like an unespected help in a video game presented in a appealing way, but when someone or a group of people are wrong in to many levels and doing what you said incluides cuestioning their own existence :)v) to get how wrong is everything, then not.

That kind of changes take just to much time, you have to love them to much or have a lot of free time and literally give them unclear clues for them to develop their own conclussion in whatever amount of time they need, for the other cases i just try to not get too involve... with them :v
 

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except whether pizza tastes good is a subjective experience, one which many people, myself included, do experience. And it is an objective undeniable fact that my brain and other people's brains fires dopamine and neurons corresponding to intense pleasure when eating pizza w/ pineapple. ...So clearly your insinuation that "Pizza tastes good with pineapple" is plainly wrong is itself ironically obviously plainly wrong ... but then again I'm guessing you were just being fascitious, esp since you listed that example last.
what a great over-analyzation! I didn't know somebody could sprout that many words about a meme I implanted for laughs.
Are you some salty pineapple lover?
 
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No one, myself included, wants to be told they're wrong. Most times folks prefer to feel like they're right rather than be factual.

In person, I try to steer their thinking with pointed questions. I'm more aggressive when arguing with folks online, but will think 'fuck this' and disengage after a certain point. Long ago I always wanted the last word, but I've learned that the fight isn't worth it.
 

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what a great over-analyzation! I didn't know somebody could sprout that many words about a meme I implanted for laughs.
Are you some salty pineapple lover?
i do love pineapple pizza... was going to say something along lines of, I tend to let things go when people say things I find incorrect ... unless it's besmirching that which i love
 
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