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ENTJs, how do you react when people don't do what you tell them to do?

You can spout out commands all day long to me and that's fine by me, but I won't do them unless I agree. I will question your motives and reasoning until I understand where you are coming from, and then if I disagree I will try to get you to see my point of view. I will not act until we have come to a mutual understanding and all the feelings of all the people involved or effected by the act are considered.

How do you feel about this?

How would you react to me?

Would we be able to get along and/or work together? Edit: (want to make it clear that this was geared more towards relationships than work, but I wanted to ask about every aspect including work)

Would it bother you or would you be inclined to respect me more?
 

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ENTJs, how do you react when people don't do what you tell them to do?

You can spout out commands all day long to me and that's fine by me, but I won't do them unless I agree. I will question your motives and reasoning until I understand where you are coming from, and then if I disagree I will try to get you to see my point of view. I will not act until we have come to a mutual understanding and all the feelings of all the people involved or effected by the act are considered.

How do you feel about this?

How would you react to me?

Would we be able to get along and/or work together?

Would it bother you or would you be inclined to respect me more?
I tend to avoid asking ENTJs what they are feeling mid-boss. (I mean, it's work, who cares?)

I'd advise playing the logic card with any ENTJ. It's worthy of their respect, and works with my ENTJs really well. As in "it would be more logical to do this." or "I feel uncomfortable because I do not understand the logic of your request." Or "what goal are you trying to meet?"

Another card they like is "this will work better for your master scheme." Of course it only works if this would work better for their master scheme.

Just this week, I tried, "that would take 7 hours, but I did this in 15 minutes and it works just about as well. Can you use it instead so I can finish the other 5 things I have to do?" Worked like a charm.
 

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ENTJs, how do you react when people don't do what you tell them to do?

You can spout out commands all day long to me and that's fine by me, but I won't do them unless I agree. I will question your motives and reasoning until I understand where you are coming from, and then if I disagree I will try to get you to see my point of view. I will not act until we have come to a mutual understanding and all the feelings of all the people involved or effected by the act are considered.

How do you feel about this?

How would you react to me?

Would we be able to get along and/or work together? Edit: (want to make it clear that this was geared more towards relationships than work, but I wanted to ask about every aspect including work)

Would it bother you or would you be inclined to respect me more?
In general, I respect someone that can come up with a better idea. I dont mind if people dont do what I say. What fun would that be, sounds horribly boring. It also sounds manipulative.

The only time Ill tell someone what to do is because I think it would work to our advantage.
It's not a power trip thing.
Also, I dont have ulterior motives to what I say. Most ENTJs say what they mean without a hidden plan.
 

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ENTJs, how do you react when people don't do what you tell them to do?

You can spout out commands all day long to me and that's fine by me, but I won't do them unless I agree. I will question your motives and reasoning until I understand where you are coming from, and then if I disagree I will try to get you to see my point of view. I will not act until we have come to a mutual understanding and all the feelings of all the people involved or effected by the act are considered.

How do you feel about this?

How would you react to me?

Would we be able to get along and/or work together? Edit: (want to make it clear that this was geared more towards relationships than work, but I wanted to ask about every aspect including work)

Would it bother you or would you be inclined to respect me more?
I dont boss people around for the sake of bossing people around. I am all into communication, At meetings I always ask for comments, concerns and what people need to do their jobs. This "need" could be anything from more time, more explanations to moral support. I certainly believe that the only dumb question is the one thats never asked. I dont want people to blindly follow orders. that indicates to me that they dont have a backbone. I respect those who question, shows that they are thinking on their feet. And I love a good debate LOL.
 

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ENTJs, how do you react when people don't do what you tell them to do?
I don't tell people what to do. If we want to figure out, let us say, where to eat, it is better to get the input of everyone and build a consensus.

The only time "orders" are required is in a work environment, and even then, it is better to get others to buy into what the group is doing, to feel empowered and appreciated, as if what they do matters, so they won't need a baby-sitter. It also defuses problems down the road, since if the hypothetical person in question acts up, they can always be reminded what we agreed upon, which makes it clear who is breaking interpersonal trust and who is not.
 

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I don't tell people what to do. If we want to figure out, let us say, where to eat, it is better to get the input of everyone and build a consensus.

The only time "orders" are required is in a work environment, and even then, it is better to get others to buy into what the group is doing, to feel empowered and appreciated, as if what they do matters, so they won't need a baby-sitter. It also defuses problems down the road, since if the hypothetical person in question acts up, they can always be reminded what we agreed upon, which makes it clear who is breaking interpersonal trust and who is not.
I fall for that every time...
 

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How an ENTJ "barks orders"
"I'm really sorry you have to die. But it has to be this way. It's for the greater good. You'll be helping a lot of people out; you'll be remembered as a martyr. You're the only one we can send. The fate of the world is in your hands. This battle rests on your success.

I really don't understand why you don't see how valuable you are. To me, to the organization, to our fight-- you're worth a lot more than you think. We need your talents! We'll be lost without you. I just need you to do this one thing for me. One, one thing. I know it's asking a lot, but it's a great honor."
 

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Wow i think i might be hot for that guy. I tend to really enjoy people who pull entertain BS out of their ass and try to talk me into things in a fun way as a game because I am really good at not letting people talk me into things. It is fun to analyze thier tactics. Intellegent and entertaining is not something I get to encounter everyday or every month or every year for that matter.
 

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ENTJs, how do you react when people don't do what you tell them to do?

You can spout out commands all day long to me and that's fine by me, but I won't do them unless I agree. I will question your motives and reasoning until I understand where you are coming from, and then if I disagree I will try to get you to see my point of view. I will not act until we have come to a mutual understanding and all the feelings of all the people involved or effected by the act are considered.

How do you feel about this?

How would you react to me?

Would we be able to get along and/or work together? Edit: (want to make it clear that this was geared more towards relationships than work, but I wanted to ask about every aspect including work)

Would it bother you or would you be inclined to respect me more?
No, I don't think we would get along at all. If I were your boss and you said some crap like "do you understand how this makes me feel" in the middle of a board meeting or really anywhere I would probably fire you. I don't give a crap how you feel. If someone give you a job then do it. Don't ponder about the feelings involved. Really? You don't seem like a team player either. Also, no I wouldn't respect you more I would think you're a pansy.
 

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No, I don't think we would get along at all. If I were your boss and you said some crap like "do you understand how this makes me feel" in the middle of a board meeting or really anywhere I would probably fire you. I don't give a crap how you feel. If someone give you a job then do it. Don't ponder about the feelings involved. Really? You don't seem like a team player either. Also, no I wouldn't respect you more I would think you're a pansy.
Wow looks like we got a hater on our hands but thanks for being honest. That is what I wanted.

By the way, I would not whine I would have an objective intelligent discussion about it in the proper place at the proper time. I would probably wait to talk about my feelings in private, not at a board meeting.

Also, how would you feel about this in a romantic relationship?
 

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Wow looks like we got a hater on our hands but thanks for being honest. That is what I wanted.

By the way, I would not whine I would have an objective intelligent discussion about it in the proper place at the proper time. I would probably wait to talk about my feelings in private, not at a board meeting.

Also, how would you feel about this in a romantic relationship?
Okay, if you waited to say that in private I would wonder why you thought you deserve special treatment. Everyone else does their job, you need to do it too. I would still consider firing you.

Let me ask you this before I answer the romantic thing. If someone doesn't want to do something because they simply don't want, it doesn't "feel" right, or your insecure and don't feel comfortable is that okay or fair? Say you want to go to a movie but your partner doesn't want to but still does because they love you. But then the next week you partner wants to go to a movie and you refuse because you don't like the move. Is that fair? Is it okay for you partner to do all of the sacrificing and you none? That's what I call the ultimate selfishness.
 

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Okay, if you waited to say that in private I would wonder why you thought you deserve special treatment. Everyone else does their job, you need to do it too. I would still consider firing you.

Let me ask you this before I answer the romantic thing. If someone doesn't want to do something because they simply don't want, it doesn't "feel" right, or your insecure and don't feel comfortable is that okay or fair? Say you want to go to a movie but your partner doesn't want to but still does because they love you. But then the next week you partner wants to go to a movie and you refuse because you don't like the move. Is that fair? Is it okay for you partner to do all of the sacrificing and you none? That's what I call the ultimate selfishness.
It would not be for special treatment. I would think that no one should do it, not just me. I would have logical reasonable reasons for the dissagreement. I would also suggest one or more alternative solutions. I beleive in standing up for myself.

No, I don't think it is fair for one to do all the sacraficing.

How is it insecure to go to a movie if you don't like the movie?

I think about other people's feelings all the time. I think that all people's feelings are equally important.
 

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It would not be for special treatment. I would think that no one should do it, not just me. I would have logical reasonable reasons for the dissagreement. I would also suggest one or more alternative solutions. I beleive in standing up for myself.

No, I don't think it is fair for one to do all the sacraficing.

How is it insecure to go to a movie if you don't like the movie?

I think about other people's feelings all the time. I think that all people's feelings are equally important.
Okay, but if everyone does it and after telling me your idea I still say no what would you do? I would tell you to suck it up and do it. Although, I'm not completly unabable to listen to others ideas.

Can you rephrase this :How is it insecure to go to a movie if you don't like the movie?
 

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ENTJs do consider any thoughts, opinions, whatsoever but you'll have to stay "focused" on the given task/objective and not veer off.
 
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Okay, but if everyone does it and after telling me your idea I still say no what would you do? I would tell you to suck it up and do it. Although, I'm not completly unabable to listen to others ideas.

Can you rephrase this :How is it insecure to go to a movie if you don't like the movie?
I really wish you would just fuck right off to be honest.
 

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Ok, aside from the fact that this thread is playing to a dumb stereotype, if I tell someone to do something and I really want it done, as in my Fi is telling me that it ought to be done (can you help me tidy up this house, for instance) and they don't do it, I'll be angry, but if it's something inconsequential "can you get me a drink plz" then I'm not really bothered.
 

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I dont boss people around for the sake of bossing people around. I am all into communication, At meetings I always ask for comments, concerns and what people need to do their jobs. This "need" could be anything from more time, more explanations to moral support. I certainly believe that the only dumb question is the one thats never asked. I dont want people to blindly follow orders. that indicates to me that they dont have a backbone. I respect those who question, shows that they are thinking on their feet. And I love a good debate LOL.
Hooo boy. You've never been an office manager, have you? :crazy:

But yeah, I notice that I can get away with proposing ideas and making arguments for the most logical course of action with ENTJs. They take it very well, and actually enjoy debating and throwing around possibilities.

Whereas I had an ESTJ boss once...and I don't want to generalize, but her response to even logical ideas and protests were: "Don't argue with me about it, just do as I say. Gosh, you make me feel completely disrespected and unappreciated."
 
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