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Which INFJ subset do you most identify?

  • Intuitive

    Votes: 169 41.5%
  • Ethical

    Votes: 85 20.9%
  • Bits of both

    Votes: 148 36.4%
  • Neither (If this holds true, I'm probably not an INFJ?)

    Votes: 5 1.2%
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@vel posted a very interesting analysis of two "subsets" of INFJs, in this thread: http://personalitycafe.com/infj-forum-protectors/47124-what-does-infj-look-like.html. I figured as it was not of the OP's primary interest, we should discuss this elsewhere.

Intuitive subtype is the more introverted INFJs. They spend more time using Ni and Ti and less time using Fe and Se. The ethical subtype is the more extraverted INFJs who tend to have stronger preference for Fe and Se and thus spend more time extraverting with people. You can tell us apart here on this forum, which are the Fe/Se-INFJs and which are Ni/Ti-INFJs, it shows in posts. Some INFJs are actually smack in the middle and thus don't belong to either subtype. You can distinguish subtypes of other types as well, INTJ, ENTPs, ESTPs, etc.

Here are the descriptions of the two subtypes:

INTUITIVE INFJ:

Facial expression is typically interrogative, and they seem calm, dreamy, and contemplative. Their line of behaviour is frequently passive. Romantic spirits. They live in the world of illusions, and they attempt to avoid negative emotions. They can be optimistic. They shrink away from conflict situations and support compromises. They are restrained in their clothing, elegant and refined. They can fulfill the functions of an abstract thinker, work in psychology and psychotherapy.

The intuitive subtype appears as a quiet, tactful, languid and diffident individual. They seem torn off from reality, inert and poorly adapted to life. However, such impressions are erroneous, for they possess a fine intuition, which aids them in establishing useful connections and obtaining support from influential people. Seem externally serene but sentimentally are disposed to experience moodiness and bouts of melancholy. While their voice at times seems monotonous they often induce a light surprise, even full interest, from the interlocutor. Outwardly are pensive, slightly strained/intense. Prone to emanate sadness masked in sardonic irony. Speech is measured, smooth and intimately heart-felt. On their face they almost constantly exude a polite half-smile that easily wins people’s trust. Gestures are modest, shy. Gait is ponderous, elegant.


ETHICAL INFJ:

Flatters and is charming and communicable. If they see negative emotions in the people around them, they will try to arrange things so that people will calm down. They will mobilize well in dangerous situations. Loves to be in the centre of attention and dramatize proceedings, possesses a sense of humour. They easily manipulate by intonation and voice; can work successfully as a journalist --- They easily succeed in enticing the person they talk to. Outwardly they can appear extravagant; frequently takes a bohemian and bright form.

The ethical subtype provides the impression of a soft, charming and emotional person. Usually look inspired and optimistic. Possess a fine sense of humor allowing them to list their problems and failures while smiling. Are ironic, crafty, unpredictably and inconsistent in behaviour and conversation. Creating original contrasts, they can unexpectedly prick and then just as quickly embrace/kiss. Artistic and charming; are eloquent in dialogue, occasionally portraying shades of familiarity and impudence. They’re generally affable, kind and careful. Easily draw attention and thereby attract people; talent towards persuasion: states requests in such a manner that it is difficult to refuse them. Movements are graceful as is their gait. Speech is emotional, rich with shades, sometimes melodious.
Which of the subsets do you think you belong to: Intuitive, Ethical, or a real mesh of the two? What do you think of these subsets? Are they accurate descriptions of the different kinds of INFJs? Might this explain some of our differences?

From what I've seen, the majority of INFJs on this forum belong to the Intuitive subset, while the Ethical INFJs (myself, it seems, included) sometimes feel like outsiders... even among other INFJs, who belong to one of the most "outsider" types.

Thoughts? This seems worth further discussion, to me.


EDIT: Damnit, my poll question is grammatically incorrect because I changed the wording at the end and forgot to edit the first couple of words... that's going to bug me.
 

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Hm...HMMMMMMMMMMMMM.....HUUUUUUGE HMMMMMMMM!!!!
(sorry, lol... xD)

Uhm...yeah...I do believe that I can be a bit of both... :unsure:

I'm not that huggy towards friends. I remember spending a night at friend's house when I was 5 years old. She wanted to hug while falling asleep. But I thought that this would really be strange and I absolutely didn't want it even though she started crying... but I had a bad conscience about it. :mellow:

But I can also be quite babbly and make jokes all the time...blah...

Well...overall I feel that I might have been more like the ethical subtype as a child and that I was excluded because of that...because I wasn't as well-behaved as other children. My teacher from primary school said that I had both introverted and extroverted tendencies as opposed to extremely extroverted or extremely introverted children.

Hm...but this whole subtype thingy is really difficult...But I guess I'm the intuitive subtype most of the time. Though I do get the feeling that especially the intuitive subtype is less accepted...well...whatever...not sure about that either...:confused:
 

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I'd categorize myself with the ethical subset, although there are elements from the intuitive subset that I can wholly relate to.

If I had to say why, I think I express the ethical subset when I'm at school/work, or with acquaintances. I tend to exhibit traits from the intuitive subsets when I'm by myself, or with very, very close friends.
 

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@vel pointed this out to me a while back.

I am supposedly less introverted than many of the people on here. I am introspective, but I can't go an entire day without some kind of human contact. Although I have done this, and it honestly makes me miserable.

People on here had suggested to me that I might be a screwed up ENFJ, although nobody in real life would ever question whether or not I am an introvert. I can be outgoing in spurts. So I really don't think that I am an extrovert.

Ethical subtype- the "psychologist" and not the "teacher", as I have seen it put- that fits me better.
 

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Probably a bit of both?
Although I somehow still feel that it lacks somehow. :mellow: But I can't put my finger on it.
 

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Ethical!

I love this thread! I love the idea of subtypes within the grouping of INFJ. I am definitely on the Ethical side. I appear Extraverted to most people, I can be both familiar and impudent (though I prefer to think of it as "sassy"), and I can often change a person's mood simply by speaking to him/her. However, I'm in no way physically graceful, and I often wish I were more talented at drawing attention. I always feel that there's something about my manner or way of expressing myself that doesn't seem very confident even when I know I'm right and think I'm being forceful, so people have to learn to listen to my opinion, usually after things go wrong and they realize I was right (ha ha)-- but I'm not at all immediately commanding. I also have what I think is a typical INFJ problem, in that I long for recognition and attention that I feel too guilty or awkward to try for.

I do relate to the Intuitive subset characteristic of feeling "poorly adapted to life". I say I feel this way, but the way my life has been proves it isn't so. Still, I sometimes feel as if human personalities have evolved past mine, and that I'm a member of a dying race.

Way to be dramatic, Me! :blushed:
 

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Something in your post (Elinor) That holds extremely true at the moment for me.

"in that I long for recognition and attention that I feel too guilty or awkward to try for."

I come across as the attention seeker (within my family) and therefore have some strong Extravertedness that seems to come out, but it is one big frustrating mess, if i am on the verge of venting my anger, i often feel like only the easy access areas of the mind are those that come out (the parts that seem easily flared up, and quite easy to manipulate, based on dad-to-day events)

It is extremely painful, as i often feel one thing is always contradicting with another, and i do not hold up in arguements with certain people,....hell, it doesn't even get off the ground as i seem to be on constant behaviour alteration based on the person, so i might be ranting to one person about another, but won't confront the other as they might have a short fuse, this can work to advantage in situations where you have different friends with differing interests and you can adapt well towards each and connect, so i guess what i am saying is for me there is no real definable subtype, i have a face like a million rainy days, but with that same face you can see the brightness of day, i suppose if you list in a this causes this basis it might go something like this:

Among family = Ethical
Outside house/ in city = Intuitive
At college with friends = Ethical/Intuitive (based on level of social'ness)

I tend to drift in and out of conversations and group jokes etc. so i can socialise, but meh.

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@vel pointed this out to me a while back.

I am supposedly less introverted than many of the people on here. I am introspective, but I can't go an entire day without some kind of human contact. Although I have done this, and it honestly makes me miserable.

People on here had suggested to me that I might be a screwed up ENFJ, although nobody in real life would ever question whether or not I am an introvert. I can be outgoing in spurts. So I really don't think that I am an extrovert.

Ethical subtype- the "psychologist" and not the "teacher", as I have seen it put- that fits me better.
Daveman i know how you feel. Its currently lack of friends that is hard on me. As a kid I had a friend over everyday if not more. I desire social contact but need my introspective time too. i currently am off to recharge those batteries. when i am depressed i am far more introverted... i often question my if i am really an introvert
 

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I feel kind of in-between... Both descriptions remind me of myself. Offline, though, I probably come across as more the intuitive type to people who don't know me well. I'm not good at small talk (partly due to being autistic), though I do enjoy being around friendly people.
 

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Intuitive sub type. I think. Thats how I see myself anyway. I resonate with that description most.
I can stretch to ethical once in a while,..but its kinda like a performance,..not really me at all.
I'll stretch to ethical for social stuff, which is now very rare for me,.. mostly I'm just some bit of driftwood, floaty Intuitive,..G. x
 

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I would probably be intuitive between these two.

I would say I'm more of the academic subtype from that article though:
http://personalitycafe.com/infj-articles/19817-many-faces-infj.html

I link way too many life situations to theory I learned in whatever class or reading I did at some point in my life.

*Edit* Sorry for hijacking your thread with another one :\
Just thought it was related.
 

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Oh yeah, I forgot about those! From that list I'd say I'm more of a Method Actor, with a bit of the Revolutionary. (Oh and don't worry - it's definitely on the same topic.)
 

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I do believe I'm somewhere in the middle. I'm either one at different times. Sometimes, it seems like I'm both all rolled into one. I don't have the words to explain how this happens or works. I guess it depends on my mood. I wear my moods on my sleeve. I need to think more on the descriptions. They are food for thought that is for sure. I could be a teacher, as well as, a psychologist. In my mind, though, a psychologist is a teacher and a good teacher uses psychology. So, there you have it! I'm very contradictory/paradoxical. Hmmm...paradoxical, that is definitely me. My poetry truly shows this. :)
 

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While I did identify when a few of the intuitive characteristics, there was only one on the Ethical side I didn't identify with, so I'm pretty sure I align myself with the Ethical INFJ. I do consider myself quite the paradox as well, though.
 

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I definitely identify more with the Intuitive description, which isn't too surprising since I tested strongest on Intuition when I took the MBTI. Ni-Ti are both very strong for me, especially Ni. My Fe may be underdeveloped though. I deeply care about other people, and am highly empathetic, but it is very very hard for me to communicate this to people and show them that I care.
 

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I definitely identify more with the Intuitive description, which isn't too surprising since I tested strongest on Intuition when I took the MBTI. Ni-Ti are both very strong for me, especially Ni. My Fe may be underdeveloped though. I deeply care about other people, and am highly empathetic, but it is very very hard for me to communicate this to people and show them that I care.
Yeah same here. I sometimes get similar effect to NTs when trying to express warm feelings. Bleh :dry:
 
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