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Hey I am just curious, who have you had more difficult experiences with, SJ's or NT's?

This is meant to be a light hearted and open discussion, it doesn't have to be a heated one :tongue: I am a nice NF! LOL

As for SJ's..Let's see..

My second ex is ISTJ and I suspect (strongly suspect) that my mother is ESTJ (We used to clash too much because I was very irrational when I was much younger)

SJ's can come across as seemingly harsh and offensive, espeically when they are being blunt and especially when they think they are right. However, they can be fun when they're really caring. They can be difficult to deal with, but I sense it's coming more from their places of ''having a sense of duty'' which I have learnt to understand over a few years.

I have often enjoyed a lot of things that SJ's have had to say online, they sound funny and warm even when they're being blunt and trying to show how 'right' they are.

As for NT's..

I have an INTJ female best friend. She can appear cold to the outside world, but she is very warm at the core and I have seen that because I am one of her few most trusted friends.

She has taught me a lot about planning ahead, being more practical when you consider other people's perspectives and being more independent even when you are introverted.

She's an thinker who has a super advanced sense of ''right and wrong'' thus her intuition is also very sharp.

As for online, to be honest, some NT's (but not all NT's, so don't get me wrong) piss me off at times with the way they act. I get the sense that they feel ''elitist'' when it comes to their NT reasoning and factual thinking. ''Woo hoo, I'm a mastermind! I know all the mistakes you're doing in how you think and your experiences!'' *Rolls eyes* Yes, whatever. They don't realize how irrational their attitudes can be, and if I say something like this, they won't get. They got annoyed by me too, but whatever, I can be too random and too intense so I know. I don't mind them trying to correct others, even if it's most of the time, but I dislike picking up on that 'elitist' and close-minded sense. But I think those are just NT's who are using the 'Thinker' label to act like assholes.

There are also other NT's like my best friends who actually use their planning and intellect, their critical abilities, for a greater good.

I can't help it, I take motives into account.
 
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My two best friends are an ISTJ and an INTJ so I have no complaints. I know a lot of ISTJs and they're pretty fricken awesome. :happy:
 

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I like NT’s because they engage with me, whereas I feel like I never get through to SJ’s. Yeah, lots of attempts at connecting through exploration of my irrational, crazy behavior. I have no filter most of the time. When I do, it’s just so draining to sustain, and not worth it. You know how it feels; I’m being a ridiculous caricature of myself.

I struggle with SJ’s. They’re endlessly frustrating, but I can’t bear to leave them for some reason. It’s sadistic on my behalf.

My best friend’s an INTJ Mastermind too, but doesn’t think it’s entirely accurate. I suspect that’s due to her nature. She must see herself as very different from how we see her. I think it’s a snug fit. As for me, I’m a textbook INFP. Usually 97% of the statements about the niche, I agree with. Back to the before tangent, I love her to death and want to do everything to make her even a tad happier. So I never hurt her deliberately, but sometimes, she doesn’t read what I think are my obvious signals to the outside world.

I’ll reply to the rest of this, the second half, when I get back from class. Otherwise, I’ll be really late and beat myself up about it. A lot of times, I really hate the rules our species operates by.
 

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SJs all the way. They made my childhood hell. I like NTs - sometimes I need a break from Feelers, and they're the best in the world for that.
 
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I've had bad experiences with ESTP's, use my emotions and good will to guilt trip me and manipulate. The only way I've been able to stop the abuse is to cut off the realtionship completely. They seem to interpret my entire lifestyle as weakness and naivete, and can't help but put me down because me being moral and honest is threatening to them.
 

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SJ's, although in adulthood and online, NT's have caused me a fair amount of pain.
 

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SJ's are by far the most difficult for me. They usually do not exhibit the slightest ability to understand me and why I do what I do and that is enlessly frustrating. Its like bumping my head into a wall again and again and again..
 

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NT is hard work, but if they try they can understand you.

SJ simply doesn't speak INFP

I think can be more myself with NT, however over the years I have learnt to cope in an ISTJ ish environment which means feeling a constant guilt for not being pragmatic and duty oriented, which naturally, I am not. The trick is to repress most INFPness, withdraw more and always have an inner sense of not being good enough by their standards and getting on with it.
 

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SPs actually. I like NTs and i've got plenty of SJ friends, as well as SP friends but it's the SPs that I understand the least. It's probably their affinity for gossip that gets to me the most.
 

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definitely SJ's

they've given me the most problems because they are the least understanding and the least willing to accept the fact that maybe I'm just different than them.

NT's can be cynical of my vague logic and generalities which is understandable, but overall they are not cynical of who I am overall like SJ's are.

on the other hand, i've also interacted with some healthy SJ's and i get along with them very nicely. so it's again a matter of personal mental health not really type.
 

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Maybe I'm wrong, but SJ's seem to be more concerned with proving themselves right in their heads and NT's seem to be more concerned with outwardly proving people wrong lol SJ's don't seem as bothered to engage in any crusade of proving anyone right or wrong UNLESS they are provoked or it truly sparked their interests.

Personally, if that were the case, I would generally find it easier to tolerate the flaws of SJ's.

Having said that though, two of my closest friends are INTJ's and I have to say, in spite of it all, I wouldn't have made it far without them.
 

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well, both have the capacity to be great or annoying :p I'd probably seek the company of NTs before SJs though.

I know this estj guy and usually I'm thinking "shutupshutupshutup" cause he says some of the dumbest things. But he has a really bad anger problem and some sort of superiority complex, so hopefully he doesn't represent all of the estj kind, haha.
I get along with NTs very well, except this one particular intj. He pursued me so we got into a relationship, but things quickly started going downhill. I'd explain my opinion on something and all he'd say was "ok." He'd never give an opinion and he also sort of viewed himself as superior to others.
 

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I generally like NT's very much. I generally either HATE or am majorly annoyed by SJ's. That said, SJ's can be quite thought-provoking and provide another way of looking at the world that can be useful.
 

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Maybe I'm wrong, but SJ's seem to be more concerned with proving themselves right in their heads and NT's seem to be more concerned with outwardly proving people wrong lol SJ's don't seem as bothered to engage in any crusade of proving anyone right or wrong UNLESS they are provoked or it truly sparked their interests.
As an ISTJ I really couldn't care less whether you think I'm right as I know I'm right in my head :crazy: That is unless you needing to know I'm right affects a decision that affects me.

I can definitely say that I can't imagine being an INFP (though I'm slowly learning how you guys think through online knowledge etc.). I also haven't had a close INFP friend so I don't really know how I'd socialise with INFPs. I guess I can see how it could be frustrating for both parties as SJs are the opposite of NPs thus completely different ways of thinking. Whether that'd be irritating or interesting I don't know.
 

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type doesn't matter so much as the individual's propensity for developing their other functions. I've got an ISTJ friend who's got a very well developed Fi, so we understand each other very well. i find her sharp tongue and straightforwardness very refreshing as well; meekness and mind games can get tiring at times.

as for NTs,

I like NTs - sometimes I need a break from Feelers, and they're the best in the world for that.
oh, and i've got to agree with this one:

SPs actually. I like NTs and i've got plenty of SJ friends, as well as SP friends but it's the SPs that I understand the least. It's probably their affinity for gossip that gets to me the most.
ESFPs are particularly difficult for me to communicate with - we just don't enjoy the same topics and their train of thought can be a little erratic for me to follow at times. they're a very sincere bunch when you grow closer to them tho; i'll give them that
 

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..If I throw away online experiences, and only take into account real life experiences with people I care about, then I'd say I like INTJ's and ISTJ's soooo much :crazy: *biased*
 

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I really like NT's. I think most of my favorite people are NT's actually. They make sense to me. I appreciate their insights quite a bit.

As SJ's, I have a love/hate relationship with them. They always think they have the answer for everything. And sometimes they really do have the right answer. But when it's not the right answer and you try to argue with them or explain where you're coming from, they treat you like there is no way in hell they could EVER understand you. Like you must be totally f-ed up. And I really don't appreciate that. I guess you could say they were more judgmental. NT's at least will consider things before they outwardly disagree with them. ... at least the ones I know do that.
 
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