I think preference is a thing even in today's society, i.e IF a certain race was overall on average less attractive to another race, one cannot simply say you're racist for not finding my race attractive.
Why blaming the past society for today's problems is a bad idea....
For this example, I'm focusing on racism.
So while listening to music from my past, I came across this old gem.
Lol, now I loved this song back in the day. But I realized there was a line in there, that would be totally considered unacceptable by today's standards.
"Be color blind, don't be so shallow!"
Now, when it comes to race things back in the day, I was an "ally". Fuck yeah! I'll see you as an individual! Rock on!
Now though, this is wrong. "We" decided, if we fail to see color, you're just a privileged A-hole.
Look, I'm not going to argue this. BUT, don't fucking call me racist. I don't care how many times society changes its mind about representation.
People go through trials and experiences, they change history for a reason. That doesn't mean someone who participated in an antebellum party, or said the "n" word with a soft a, is a racist. Time builds off the experiences of others.
Would people be such advocates of color recognition, if we hadn't been willing to be color blind in the first place?
So while listening to music from my past, I came across this old gem.
Lol, now I loved this song back in the day. But I realized there was a line in there, that would be totally considered unacceptable by today's standards.
"Be color blind, don't be so shallow!"
Now, when it comes to race things back in the day, I was an "ally". Fuck yeah! I'll see you as an individual! Rock on!
Now though, this is wrong. "We" decided, if we fail to see color, you're just a privileged A-hole.
Look, I'm not going to argue this. BUT, don't fucking call me racist. I don't care how many times society changes its mind about representation.
People go through trials and experiences, they change history for a reason. That doesn't mean someone who participated in an antebellum party, or said the "n" word with a soft a, is a racist. Time builds off the experiences of others.
Would people be such advocates of color recognition, if we hadn't been willing to be color blind in the first place?
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Another narcissistic take on a societal issue?Now, when it comes to race things back in the day, I was an "ally". Fuck yeah! I'll see you as an individual! Rock on!
Look, I'm not going to argue this. BUT, don't fucking call me racist.
What's the clear, non-rambling version of "Why blaming the past society for today's problems is a bad idea"?
I'm sorry, was that too complicated?Another narcissistic take on a societal issue?
What's the clear, non-rambling version of "Why blaming the past society for today's problems is a bad idea"?
Society grows, just as people go through levels of learning. You can't look back and blame people for the intelligence you have now. Someone, somehow, set that shit up for you.
Like you can't look back and blame the Curries for having cancer, when they openly participated in making the world a better place. Blame them for radiation now.
Imagine time traveling back to the stone age with no memories, do u even know if the earth was round? Or why the sky was blue? xDI'm sorry, was that too complicated?
Society grows, just as people go through levels of learning. You can't look back and blame people for the intelligence you have now. Someone, somehow, set that shit up for you.
Like you can't look back and blame the Curries for having cancer, when they openly participated in making the world a better place. Blame them for radiation now.
#ShitWhitePeopleSay You may as well have prefaced the post with "I'm Not Racist But..."
Seems like rationalization to dig your head in the sand some more while lamenting you don't have "colour blindness" as a buzz word to hide behind. It's ironically a way to deflect responsibility and remain ignorant because you were "set up" by someone in the past. Noblesse is good but the Oblige part is kind of a bummer eh?
No one expects whites to give a shit, so why bother with the token excuses not to do so?
Seems like rationalization to dig your head in the sand some more while lamenting you don't have "colour blindness" as a buzz word to hide behind. It's ironically a way to deflect responsibility and remain ignorant because you were "set up" by someone in the past. Noblesse is good but the Oblige part is kind of a bummer eh?
No one expects whites to give a shit, so why bother with the token excuses not to do so?
I think this is retarded. I don't know who those "we" are, but "they" require urgent psychological (or psychiatric, even) help."We" decided, if we fail to see color, you're just a privileged A-hole.
Discrimination cannot be solved by another discrimination, "positive" or not, which is what dividing people by colors is doing, instead of seeing everyone as individuals not defined by them.
If we want a fair society where everyone is treated fairly and equally, recognized by who they are rather than by their birth details, then we should do exactly that. See everyone as individuals and focus on the reduction of factual injustice and prejudices. Half-assed measures won't change anything. Blaming white people who did zero harm to people of other colors simply because, historically, their (or not their) white ancestors did something is useless and won't achieve anything. People who did nothing wrong owe zero apologies for anything. They cannot be responsible for choices that they haven't made.
Those who actually practice racism and factor it into their decision-making processes, indeed, must be punished. Regardless of which color their racism is targeted, white, black, or any other.
I think whats happening SOMETIMES is, certain groups were mistreated in the past so they use that as ammo to scream #Injustice and rightfully so but after awhile when there is justice, SOME people of the group keep holding on to that card and playing that narrative until they gain an advantage which in turn just oppresses the other group who wronged them in the past and this power game just swings like a pendulum and it's no surprise, alot of people are selfish and a lot of people will say w/e to get what they want.I think this is retarded. I don't know who those "we" are, but "they" require urgent psychological (or psychiatric, even) help.
Discrimination cannot be solved by another discrimination, "positive" or not, which is what dividing people by colors is doing, instead of seeing everyone as individuals not defined by them.
If we want a fair society where everyone is treated fairly and equally, recognized by who they are rather than by their birth details, then we should do exactly that. See everyone as individuals and focus on the reduction of factual injustice and prejudices. Half-assed measures won't change anything. Blaming white people who did zero harm to people of other colors simply because, historically, their (or not their) white ancestors did something is useless and won't achieve anything. People who did nothing wrong owe zero apologies for anything. They cannot be responsible for choices that they haven't made.
Those who actually practice racism and factor it into their decision-making processes, indeed, must be punished. Regardless of which color their racism is targeted, white, black, or any other.
Precisely. In those cases, it just turns into unending resentment/hysteria, that is used without any real premise. It will end up shifting scales to the other side, replacing one problem with another. If equality and fairness are truly what is honestly desired, then they must be practiced right now. Society, instead of swinging uselessly from one side to another as if it is having a stroke, should use brain to coordinate its movements.I think whats happening SOMETIMES is, certain groups were mistreated in the past so they use that as ammo to scream #Injustice and rightfully so but after awhile when there is justice, SOME people of the group keep holding on to that card and playing that narrative until they gain an advantage which in turn just oppresses the other group who wronged them in the past and this power game just swings like a pendulum and it's no surprise, alot of people are selfish and a lot of people will say w/e to get what they want.
No one wants apologies, kid. We have privilege, but it takes getting off your ass and researching to use it to effect change where no one else can and be heard where other voices aren't. It isn't about apologizing for the past, it never was, it's about helping make a better future for everyone instead of just looking out for yourself.I think this is retarded. I don't know who those "we" are, but "they" require urgent psychological (or psychiatric, even) help.
Discrimination cannot be solved by another discrimination, "positive" or not, which is what dividing people by colors is doing, instead of seeing everyone as individuals not defined by them.
If we want a fair society where everyone is treated fairly and equally, recognized by who they are rather than by their birth details, then we should do exactly that. See everyone as individuals and focus on the reduction of factual injustice and prejudices. Half-assed measures won't change anything. Blaming white people who did zero harm to people of other colors simply because, historically, their (or not their) white ancestors did something is useless and won't achieve anything. People who did nothing wrong owe zero apologies for anything. They cannot be responsible for choices that they haven't made.
Those who actually practice racism and factor it into their decision-making processes, indeed, must be punished. Regardless of which color their racism is targeted, white, black, or any other.
That being said it's utterly insane to deny the present you live in is the result of the past.
I have no idea where are those delusional assumptions coming from. Nowhere I advocated for looking out for ourselves only. I do advocate for building an actually better future, rather than repeating the same mistakes from the past. Nowhere did I say that the present is not going from the past. Are you okay?No one wants apologies, kid. We have privilege, but it takes getting off your ass and researching to use it to effect change where no one else can and be heard where other voices aren't. It isn't about apologizing for the past, it never was, it's about helping make a better future for everyone instead of just looking out for yourself.
That being said it's utterly insane to deny the present you live in is the result of the past.
I feel your pain. Call me an old fashioned racist, I'm still at individuals.
...individual now, individual tomorrow..... individual forever!
...individual now, individual tomorrow..... individual forever!
And what do you think repeating the same mistakes of the past would be? The kiddy head-in-the sand attitude of "Why should I be responsible for what my predecessors did a long time ago"? that excuses turning a blind eye to present day systemic rigging.I have no idea where are those delusional assumptions coming from. Nowhere I advocated for looking out for ourselves only. I do advocate for building an actually better future, rather than repeating the same mistakes from the past. Nowhere did I say that the present is not going from the past. Are you okay?
It's not anyone's fault, no one asks for it but different voices have different weight and that weight won't use itself.
I'm fine, are you caught up yet?
It only took the ramifications of class actions of widespread govt policies to finally understand that attempts to assimilate those little biracial kids into white culture (here in Australia) and the cybermen to try and assimilate for the idea of colour blindness for us to step back and go, waitaminit - I wonder if it was Doctor Who that finally got the concept through though.
Hold on. I still think there is a misunderstanding. At least, I am confused.And what do you think repeating the same mistakes of the past would be? The kiddy head-in-the sand attitude of "Why should I be responsible for what my predecessors did a long time ago"? that excuses turning a blind eye to present day systemic rigging.
It's not anyone's fault, no one asks for it but different voices have different weight and that weight won't use itself.
I'm fine, are you caught up yet?
How from this
It must follow thatThe kiddy head-in-the sand attitude of "Why should I be responsible for what my predecessors did a long time ago"
?excuses turning a blind eye to present day systemic rigging.
It doesn't follow for me. Just because I am not responsible for what my predecessors did a long time ago, it doesn't mean that it is okay to ignore present problems and be concerned only about myself. I am against any kind of unfairness, including any kind of systemic rigging or any form of unfair discrimination. How exactly is this a "head-in-the sand" attitude? People can help each other without being directly responsible for their issues because of things like empathy/concern for fellow humans.
It kinda is racist though. Who decides which race is most attractive? The one in power, white people. White people tan themselves whilst Asian and black people bleach their skin. Which is more damaging? I see Asian women with unattractive white men simply on the basis they've been taught white is attractive. White people benefit in the attraction game simply by the colour of their skin, not because theyre actually attractive. I never thought I would have been attracted to a brown person - I thought it was a "preference" - until I did. And now I see people of colour attractive that I probably would have been blind to before. All because I actually met them and got to know them, not because I was listening to what media told me about them.I think preference is a thing even in today's society, i.e IF a certain race was overall on average less attractive to another race, one cannot simply say you're racist for not finding my race attractive.
I see what you're getting at here, you're basically saying society/media portrays certain races as more appealing than other races and thus it influences people's decisions, I'm not someone who gives a fk what society thinks is more attractive so it didn't occur to me but you're right, I was more just saying people have preferences and thus you can't force them to date someone they don't want as to prevent gaslighting but I get what you're saying here and I agree with you from the context of your reply.It kinda is racist though. Who decides which race is most attractive? The one in power, white people. White people tan themselves whilst Asian and black people bleach their skin. Which is more damaging? I see Asian women with unattractive white men simply on the basis they've been taught white is attractive. White people benefit in the attraction game simply by the colour of their skin, not because theyre actually attractive. I never thought I would have been attracted to a brown person - I thought it was a "preference" - until I did. And now I see people of colour attractive that I probably would have been blind to before. All because I actually met them and got to know them, not because I was listening to what media told me about them.
People absolutely should only date people they're attracted to. I just side eye people who say "oh I'm not attracted to black people, its a preference". Then you see them attracted to a light skin black person, or a black person with blue eyes. At some point you got to ask well why do I prefer people with white features? Cause you've been told that's what's most attractive.I see what you're getting at here, you're basically saying society/media portrays certain races as more appealing than other races and thus it influences people's decisions, I'm not someone who gives a fk what society thinks is more attractive so it didn't occur to me but you're right, I was more just saying people have preferences and thus you can't force them to date someone they don't want as to prevent gaslighting but I get what you're saying here and I agree with you from the context of your reply.
Being asian yourself, have you never had weird white women fawn all over you just cause they like kpop and don't actually like you for you? I was in the kpop fandom and met these two white girls irl and they dragged me to the Asian supermarket to fawn over the most basic asian men just doing their job. It was absurd and disgusting.
Sorry I articulated poorly lol, it can be taken in many ways based on how general my original statement was, totally agreeing with you, I meant to say people have preferences so u can't gaslight people into dating you by using ur race as an excuse i.e "Look my race is the least desired thus u gotta date me or ur racist" kinda b.s.People absolutely should only date people they're attracted to. I just side eye people who say "oh I'm not attracted to black people, its a preference". Then you see them attracted to a light skin black person, or a black person with blue eyes. At some point you got to ask well why do I prefer people with white features? Cause you've been told that's what's most attractive.
Lmao yeah I did have that happen to me on occasion, now that u bring up supermarket, this Muslim girl did it to me recently after I changed my hairstyle 2 the middle parted curtains style asking me if I listen to BTS and starts comparing me to BTS members LOL, I get how people would eye roll at that, personally I kinda just entertain them and do a lil dance or something, laugh and leave but definitely can see that some may find it highly offensive to be fetishized for something or someone you're not etc...Being asian yourself, have you never had weird white women fawn all over you just cause they like kpop and don't actually like you for you? I was in the kpop fandom and met these two white girls irl and they dragged me to the Asian supermarket to fawn over the most basic asian men just doing their job. It was absurd and disgusting.
Actually what I do is probably setting a bad example as well, I'm really just tryna entertain so we can share a laugh and go on about our day but the action/behavior in itself is not setting a good precedence as I'm essentially enabling the bad behavior, thinking back I tend to do that alot coz I'm only thinking about whats interesting or fun in the moment rather than Fe ramifications, I notice a lot of high Fe users here think a lot on Fe ramifications and as my type is known for poor Fe, it makes sense I put more thought on this kinda stuff to cover off my weaknesses as a type.
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