Being an ENTP with a heavy Fe, I can ALWAYS put my feelings into words. However, it seems that a lot of Fi users can't. Can someone explain this to me?
Yeah, I was on the phone with an ENFP last night and was trying to get him to explain Fi to me. For the life of him, he just couldn't do it. Finally, he tried his best to do it, and the words that he used almost sounded foreign to me. I'm like WOW! So thanks for clearing this up.Fi is a "deeper" perspective, that is often describe as harder to put into words. It's internal (and in Jungian lingo, "unsconscious", which he used for introverted functions despite their place on the preference order).
This doesn't mean they can't ever express their feelings (some make this generalization), but it also tends to be more universalistic ad harder to pin down in external ways.
Yeah, I've noticed that Fi is so much more personal than FE, and Fe is so much more out in the openYea and Jung seemed to have a hard time articulating Fi too (he was also a Fe-type). He really speaks of it more from the standpoint of what it's not.
Von Franz's quote on Fi "I love you and its none of your business."
whereas Fe is "I love you and I'll make it your business."
I totally agree!How I perceive Fe gives me the impression that since it's extroverted and is a function which is outwardly looking for connection in the world, you don't have to draw it out of yourself since it's already "out there", so it's easier to articulate than Fi is.
I have a photography class and the difference between Fi and Fe is so striking. The Fe types love to articulate why they take such and such photo, what it means to them, what the space represents, and on and on and on. The Fi types say next to nothing and when asked it's like "I dunno I just liked it for some reason." Or they begin to explain it from some other perspective like Sensation (it reminds me of a place a grew up, or the colors are nice, etc). But I notice it very difficult for them to express the qualities and why they are attracted to something, its just something internal that happens for them.
It's always interesting to watch Fe and Fi types go shopping because often the Fi type might love something that the Fe-type goes "yuck!" And the Fe-type can rail off a laundry list of reasons as to why its yucky, where the Fi-type might not be able to articulate what it is about it they like. They just say "its me," or "its just my personality," or something to that effect. I get the sense that Fi types are uncomfortable explaining their evaluations and might even feel put on the spot to have to try. Similar to a Ni-dom having to explain their intuitions or a Si-dom their perceptions.
And by comparison, as Ti dom, it looks like Fi, because I too cannot easily articulate why I like things. I'll be looking for some technical explanation and often there won't be any; because why we like things is a humane (personal/impersonal) subject, which is not as conscious. And with Fe as inferior, even if there is an objective reason, I might fear that others will think it's silly or whatever and keep it to myself.As an ENTJ my last CN is Fi. Most of the time it's not so much that I can't put it into words, but I just have NO idea what I am feeling, let alone what anyone else is feeling. That's one of the reasons ENTJ's come off as such huge jerks sometimes.
Based on the IXTPs I know, they are fine with articulating opinions and they tend to expect automatic feeling reactions from others and can be very rigid about this (at least about things that make sense to them, via dominant Ti - they are not the types that adapt their feelings to a wide audience though, since they go primarily by what makes sense to them, while high Fe types will act on the adaptive qualities of Fe, while letting what makes sense to them (Ti) take a back seat, especially Fe doms), but the nature of them are just more negative in nature (from the ones I know, they tend to have an easier time expressing negative feelings than positive ones - this goes for inferior Fi types also). I think for T types in general, knowing how to express positive feelings is a lot more difficult than knowing how to express negative feelings, since the lower F placement makes the feeling function more ego-dystonic to them, and thus, deals more in the realm of their insecurities than not. Yup, what you're describing would be you using T on F experiences - this really doesn't look like Fi though, because Fi types are the ones who tend to be the most in touch with why they feel the way they do about something, but they tend to be resistant to explaining it in technical ways (like, they feel that doing this doesn't do the truth of their feelings justice, since Fi is subjective feeling and something they would probably be very resistant to universalizing so that they can be technically universalized as some fundamental law of nature that everyone operates on (something Ti-ish) - they would probably feel dehumanized and like their personal feelings are no longer meaningful to their life, etc. I think this would apply to any introverted function in a sense (and dominant/demonic functions), where, for instance, dominant Ni would feel undermined if their personal intuitions are refuted by demonic Si as just being their own impression of the empirical (Si), rather than something that has a purpose to subvert this and seek meaning underlying impressions and feel like they can't be taken seriously, etc.). At least from my experiences with inferior Fe users, the nature of their F is more just like having generic opinions and expectations, than having a complex values judgement system of reasoning (unless it comes to avoiding negative feelings). It takes F to understand F, T to understand T, N to understand N, and S to understand S, I think.And by comparison, as Ti dom, it looks like Fi, because I too cannot easily articulate why I like things. I'll be looking for some technical explanation and often there won't be any; because why we like things is a humane (personal/impersonal) subject, which is not as conscious. And with Fe as inferior, even if there is an objective reason, I might fear that others will think it's silly or whatever and keep it to myself.
So this is another reason there is often confusion between Fi and Ti preference. (Especially with some authorities really emphasizing the "express or not express feelings" definitions of Fe/Fi).
Based on the IXTPs I know, they are fine with articulating opinions and they tend to expect automatic feeling reactions from others and can be very rigid about this (at least about things that make sense to them, via dominant Ti - they are not the types that adapt their feelings to a wide audience though, since they go primarily by what makes sense to them...
As a Ti-dom, Fe-inferior, I can relate to this a bit. It's not *quite* that robotic though - my feelings are fluid to some extent - it's not like my Fe has a set script of how it's going to react to any given situation. But, I will say that there are certain "generic" opinions and expectations that I will be rigid about. For instance, if I see someone yelling at another person, speaking condescendingly to them (making them feel like crap, wielding their "power" just because they can), if I see someone hitting or getting physical with another person, if I see someone who is helpless (or isn't the type of person to stick up for themselves) being taken advantage of, if I see someone making another person feel bad in a group ("Well, we all showed up to Sarah's b-day party, why weren't YOU there?"), etc, it triggers some kind of weird combination of Ti/Fe that basically goes, "Look buddy, you're acting way out of line here and you need to stop acting like an idiot. Knock your crap off and start treating people better. How would you like it if I treated you this way? Not very much, right? Well, then maybe you should get your act together."At least from my experiences with inferior Fe users, the nature of their F is more just like having generic opinions and expectations.