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The first thought that went trough my head when I found out I am an ISFJ was 'no, no, no.' I think it's in the names. "The Nurturer", "The Protector", or even "The Defender". As if ISFJ's only exist to defend all those N types, as if we can't do anything on our own!

Does anyone agree/disagree with me on this?
 

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I don't think N types needs defending... Maybe the INFx.

I would think that ISFJ are viewed as "inferior" only because of their over-reliance on what other people want/think and that amazing humbleness. ISFJs tend to quietly support/do work without bragging about it or trying to get ahead. Hence, they don't demand anything for their contributions, yet keep on giving. Many other types, especially the more self-centered ones walk over them, both intentionally and unintentionally, which leaves them near the bottom rung.

Then again, that's just objective analysis. I honestly think ISFJ are one of the best types out there. You guys are amazing - never forget that.
 

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The first thought that went trough my head when I found out I am an ISFJ was 'no, no, no.' I think it's in the names. "The Nurturer", "The Protector", or even "The Defender". As if ISFJ's only exist to defend all those N types, as if we can't do anything on our own!

Does anyone agree/disagree with me on this?
Well, taking care of the those other types, as well as yourselves, is clearly a pretty important job. Going by natural selection, as the largest type (nearly 14% of all people) ISFJ qualifies as the most needed. (Together, ISFJ Nurturers + ESFJ Caregivers account for 26%.)

Also, you have more votes than any other type!
 

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I think unless other types have had experiences with us, they are left to their own assumptions. Learning to embrace everyone as they are comes with time. Each individual in the world has a gift they can bring to the world, and if we were all the same type how realistically nonfunctional this world would be! ALL types are important. :)
 

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I didn't want to be an ISFJ. Everyone seems to hate them, and the online profiles always stress how boring / predictable / non-creative we are and push us toward nursing or something. Nah. I'm a natural born writer.

Being around SJ types has shown me that we're not all alike, nor uncreative, and that most of the stereotypes about us are wrong. Now, I feel rather at home in the type.
 

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SJ types in general get an unnecessary amount of hate to the point where I think people just knee jerk type controlling authority figures as xSTJs and Focus on the Family types as xSFJs regardless of whether they actually are or not. I wouldn't dwell too much, I can promise you that regardless of what some of those people think, ISFJs are more than capable.
 

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The need to point out another type's "inferiority" seems like that old ego need to tear another down in order to make one's own self feel better. I think it says more about the critic than the type being criticized =D
 

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Maybe because it's common or something. Therefor by comparing yourself to what's common, you obviously are comparing/contrasting yourself because you believe you are UN-common, so then in order to highlight how uncommon you are you must exalt how common and shitty ISFJs are (or whatever other type)

I've honestly never seen ISFJ hate. What I hate about online profiles is how it makes ISFJ seem excessively pure and live only to serve others.

Also on a superficial level thinking about sensors, you may just think about what surrounds you and that sensors just live on a superficial level like that and with intuitives you may think about like having a deeper understanding of the *+~third dimension~+* or something and its more valued to be *or to SEEM* more complex than to be seen as simple.
 

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Thanks for all of your replies! I've talked to people on some other forum before, and they were often surprised if I told them something like "I'm an ISFJ, I'm going to get my masters in chemical and physical biology and I don't want kids."
I guess that just has to do with stereotypes.
What I also think is funny, is that 26% of population consists of xSFJs and on PerC, it seems that 90% of people is a N type. :')
 

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The first thought that went trough my head when I found out I am an ISFJ was 'no, no, no.' I think it's in the names. "The Nurturer", "The Protector", or even "The Defender". As if ISFJ's only exist to defend all those N types, as if we can't do anything on our own!

Does anyone agree/disagree with me on this?
 

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Thanks for all of your replies! I've talked to people on some other forum before, and they were often surprised if I told them something like "I'm an ISFJ, I'm going to get my masters in chemical and physical biology and I don't want kids."
I guess that just has to do with stereotypes.
What I also think is funny, is that 26% of population consists of xSFJs and on PerC, it seems that 90% of people is a N type. :')
More like, 50 percent of the people on this forum think they are Ns simply because the stereotypes of the sensing types are atrocious. I'd say that more than 30 percent here doesn't even know what the cognitive functions are. They probably took that 4 letter test and called it a day.
 

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They probably took that 4 letter test and called it a day.
I got my INFJ friend in on this website and he did just this.
Then he tried to get every one of our friends on this website by typing them and of course he always typed them as an intuitive and would say E for a loud person and T if he thought the person was too mean. It was a disaster and I regret it.
 

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I got my INFJ friend in on this website and he did just this.
Then he tried to get every one of our friends on this website by typing them and of course he always typed them as an intuitive and would say E for a loud person and T if he thought the person was too mean. It was a disaster and I regret it.
I don't understand why the 4 letter tests are even still in use. I mean, how stupid does this sound:

T: Cold and calculating
F: Warm and friendly
N: Creative and imaginative (and usually they add 'intelligent' just for shits and giggles)
S: Concrete (doesn't that sound delicious compared to "creative and imaginative" ?)
I: Shy
E: Loud
P: Procrastinator
J: Follows rules
 

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More like, 50 percent of the people on this forum think they are Ns simply because the stereotypes of the sensing types are atrocious. I'd say that more than 30 percent here doesn't even know what the cognitive functions are. They probably took that 4 letter test and called it a day.
It really is way too easy to get N on at least some of the dichotomy tests. On the most prominent one (similarminds) I regularly score 40-50% N because it seems to judge N/S entirely on whether or not you deal well with change (dislike of change being more of a Si thing, I've seen it in INTPs and INFPs more than I have in SPs) and whether or not you have intellectual curiosity. Admittedly there's probably a small correlation for the last one but I've seen enough exceptions to make me disagree with its validity as a question. I think internet forums in general tend to attract a high amount of INxx types, so to be fair I would expect there to be a disproportionate amount of them here, but I have seen people who I'm sure are S types insist on being an N and completely shooting down any suggestions that they might not be an intuitive.
 

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I didn't want to be an ISFJ. Everyone seems to hate them, and the online profiles always stress how boring / predictable / non-creative we are and push us toward nursing or something. Nah. I'm a natural born writer.

Being around SJ types has shown me that we're not all alike, nor uncreative, and that most of the stereotypes about us are wrong. Now, I feel rather at home in the type.

How long did it take to get to that acceptance point? Because ISFJ is still looking pretty likely for me (though I thought for a while I was rather Fi...someone suggested I'm probably an Fe-aux though), and I'm still ripping myself to shreds over it.


Because the typists have a bad case of special snowflake syndrome and think "Oh I'm so misunderstood because I'm an N!" and try to make up for it by thinking they are intellectually superior and more creative, when they aren't at all.
....you sure? *waits to get banned for typism*


It really is way too easy to get N on at least some of the dichotomy tests. On the most prominent one (similarminds) I regularly score 40-50% N because it seems to judge N/S entirely on whether or not you deal well with change (dislike of change being more of a Si thing, I've seen it in INTPs and INFPs more than I have in SPs) and whether or not you have intellectual curiosity. Admittedly there's probably a small correlation for the last one but I've seen enough exceptions to make me disagree with its validity as a question. I think internet forums in general tend to attract a high amount of INxx types, so to be fair I would expect there to be a disproportionate amount of them here, but I have seen people who I'm sure are S types insist on being an N and completely shooting down any suggestions that they might not be an intuitive.
Agreed - I can never manage to get any test (even functions tests) to type me as a Sensor. It's always iNtuitive. Always. And I believed it for the longest time, too. Probably because of that whole intellectual curiosity thing is such a large part of my self-image - even though I've been doing some reading lately and I look like a shallow idiot compared to actual N-types.
 

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I don't understand why the 4 letter tests are even still in use. I mean, how stupid does this sound:

T: Cold and calculating
F: Warm and friendly
N: Creative and imaginative (and usually they add 'intelligent' just for shits and giggles)
S: Concrete (doesn't that sound delicious compared to "creative and imaginative" ?)
I: Shy
E: Loud
P: Procrastinator
J: Follows rules
Ugh. I mean I like the 4-letter description itself, (It helps me to write and maintain consistent characters in writing) but there should somehow be a solution for people who just want a label and be on their way without understanding it. If I'm making sense.

A few colleges near me require you to take the MBTI. Which would be super cool if they were teaching you about the cognitive functions instead of using it as an aptitude test. They mainly focused on how rare the types were, so you had a room full of xSFJs feel like they wouldn't be anything more than ordinary because they're so common. It was damn near heartbreaking and that's coming from an INTP who feels only science. According to our teacher.

I wont even start on the teacher's expectations in our work ethic.
 

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Agreed - I can never manage to get any test (even functions tests) to type me as a Sensor. It's always iNtuitive. Always. And I believed it for the longest time, too. Probably because of that whole intellectual curiosity thing is such a large part of my self-image - even though I've been doing some reading lately and I'm a shallow idiot compared to actual N-types.
Same. I tend to have these really long, intellectual conversations with an INTP friend and he goes so much more abstract than I do. I don't necessarily have any trouble keeping up with what he's saying, but the more conceptual it gets, the less I have to add. A lot of it just isn't stuff that I really think about, I see a table and he sees a bunch of atoms that aren't even touching each other. And while he's diving into the secrets of the universe, I'm trying to figure which kind of hotdog I prefer (not the mediocre turkey stuff I just got, I think it's the one that had chili smoked into it).

Not to say he's smarter than I am, just that we have different kinds of intelligences. I can utterly and mercilessly annihilate the guy at chess.
 

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Same. I tend to have these really long, intellectual conversations with an INTP friend and he goes so much more abstract than I do. I don't necessarily have any trouble keeping up with what he's saying, but the more conceptual it gets, the less I have to add. A lot of it just isn't stuff that I really think about, I see a table and he sees a bunch of atoms that aren't even touching each other. And while he's diving into the secrets of the universe, I'm trying to figure which kind of hotdog I prefer (not the mediocre turkey stuff I just got, I think it's the one that had chili smoked into it).

Not to say he's smarter than I am, just that we have different kinds of intelligences. I can utterly and mercilessly annihilate the guy at chess.

See, the worst part about all of this is admitting to myself that it's true...I guess that's a difference between us: you seem quite accepting of these differences; I agonize, self-hate for them, and try to find ways to change it, see them as flaws that must be rectified....

I still hang out online with a bunch of XNTPs that I met when I was mistyped, and they claim to enjoy my company and contributions, but I can't trust it. I often have little or nothing to add, either because I don't know anything about the topic being discussed, or I just can't think of anything to add no matter how much I try. Anything I do come up with seems so lame by comparison.

Yet I like to think I can at least follow them.

Though aren't N's usually better at chess? That always seemed like a strong-N thing.
 
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