I'll note first that I just checked what Katherine Fauvre has Jackie at, she chose 5 for her too: Enneagram Personality Type 5: The ObserverCould you tell me more why you can definetely rule out the idea of Jackie being a four?
Type Three Overview
We have named personality type Three The Achiever because when they are healthy, Threes really can and do achieve great things in the world. They are the "stars" of human nature, and people often look up to them because of their graciousness and personal accomplishments. Healthy Threes know how good it feels to develop themselves and contribute their abilities to the world, and also enjoy motivating others to greater personal achievements than others thought they were capable of.
Threes are often successful and well liked because, of all the types, they most believe in themselves and in developing their talents and capacities. Threes act as living “role models” and paragons because of their extraordinary embodiment of socially valued qualities. Healthy Threes know that they are worth the effort it takes to be “the best that they can be.” Their success at doing so inspires others to invest in their own self-development.
Type Three—Levels of Development
Level 1 (At Their Best): Self-accepting, inner-directed, and authentic, everything they seem to be. Modest and charitable, self-deprecatory humor and a fullness of heart emerge. Gentle and benevolent.
Level 2: Self-assured, energetic, and competent with high self-esteem: they believe in themselves and their own value. Adaptable, desirable, charming, and gracious.
Level 3: Ambitious to improve themselves, to be "the best they can be"—often become outstanding, a human ideal, embodying widely admired cultural qualities. Highly effective: others are motivated to be like them in some positive way.
Aside from the word 'withdrawn', ^this is the 3 sx.Okay so I don't exactly have a horse in the race for if Jackie was a 3, 4 or 5, however... She was not all fluffy. I do feel like she was a withdrawn type which learned to present an image of femininity as a protective mechanism and a power move to support her husband's platform.
I don't see "simmering aggression" so much as someone who believes in the power of image -- her immediate/reflexive instinct in that convertible car that fateful day with her now dead husband was to cover his bloody/broken body with her own so the public couldn't see (bc images matter). Her sensitivity to images was such that, after his death, she had to have images of Jack's face (photos/paintings) removed from sight in her house. Images were very meaningful/powerful to her.Now I know the assassination of ones husband is going to be a pretty extreme scenario, but when I think of Jackie I think of the following:
In Death of a President, William Manchester wrote: ”The Lincoln flew down the boulevard’s central lane; her pillbox hat, caught in an eddy of whipping the wind, slid down over her forehead, and with a violent movement she yanked it off and flung it down. The hat-pin tore out a hank of her own hair. She didn’t even feel the pain.”
At the hospital, several people asked the former first lady to change her gore-soaked pink Chanel suit. But, Jackie, obviously still in shock and in the fist phase of grieving, assertively refused, saying: “Oh, no … I want them to see what they have done to Jack.”
Despite all the efforts that people around her did to convince her to take off the blood-stained suit, Mrs. Kennedy continued to wear the Chanel suit, ... alongside Vice President Johnson as he was sworn in as the 36th President of the United States. Lady Bird [Johnson] recalled:“Her hair [was] falling in her face but [she was] very composed … I looked at her. Mrs. Kennedy’s dress was stained with blood. One leg was almost entirely covered with it and her right glove was caked, it was caked with blood – her husband’s blood. Somehow that was one of the most poignant sights – that immaculate woman, exquisitely dressed, and caked in blood.”
The drama of that image sticks with me. What it says about Jackie's type? Hard to say; but there is a simmering aggression in the refusal to remove her bloodied clothes which does, on some level, highlight a deep attachment to dark or dangerous aspects. In that moment, the authentic appearance of the blood that had been shed took prescient over any notions of conventional femininity that would shy away from gore. Take from that what you will!
I’m a 4w5 and have felt the strongest connection to him since I was 7 years old, the year he passed. I became really enraptured by Kurt and remain so to this day, because I remember feeling as though there actually was someone on the planet that I could relate to, even if he was labeled as “troubled” or “depressive” or “weird.” I was and still am all of those things but, in my own weird 4 way, have and still continue to integrate, accept and love all those parts of myself- after all, to be without an identity in this world truly is a massive fear of 4s, and I think Kurt was no exception to that rule. Thankfully, his legacy persists to this day, hopefully in the way that would satisfy him! A TRUE 4w5!I know very little about the man so I have no opinion on his type except to acknowledge he certainly seems at first glance to be a 4. To help with the question about why people have typed him as a 5: I recall seeing part of an interview once where he described his favorite book, a book he couldn't stop rereading and carried it with him in his pocket. It's Perfume by Patrick Suskind. He described it as being about a guy who traveled far away from people, isolating himself bc he is disgusted by humans and wants to hide and stay away from them to which Cobain said he could relate. That seems 5-ish but the 5 influences that people see in him could be explained by a wing and/or tritype influence. He also mentioned how that book made him feel in the context of him rereading it which is a very 4 thing to do (he seemed to enjoy sitting in the emotion it made him feel). Perhaps he's a 4w5.
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