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An observation I've made. If you say something an SJ will feel the need to say something along the same lines, even if it doesn't make any sense, has no reason to be said, or is just simply redundant. Redundant being the most notable. They may just repeat what you say, but as if it were there own statement. Sometimes, they will cut you off to finish your sentence for you... for you. Even in physical situation, they will get up and just start accomplishing the task you set out to do... I'm like "stop, no, no, stop." and they call it being helpful, but it doesn't feel like it. It feels like some type of I can do it better/I need to do it to show I can/ocd.. thing.

These are observations from 2 SJ's I know. Age, 14 and 8. ISTJ and ESFJ.

So I really want to understand this, my view may be all wrong (intp here) Hope some SJ's can enlighten me.
 

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Cutting people off seems to be a thing with the SJ's I know. They are the first ones to accuse you of cutting them of and never letting them finish. Strange. I have also experienced them giving their two cents, especially where it is not warranted. I have the exact same observations that you have made. I am sure they are all unique, and I too would like some enlightenment on the matter.
 

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This is very interesting, actually. As an SJ I can't relate to that in the slightest. In fact, it's not uncommon for me to sit silently even when other people are trying to get me to converse. As in, I'll literally say nothing despite being addressed repeatedly. Nor do I ever interfere with other people's affairs unless asked to. Even if I think someone needs my help, if they say they don't want it I'll not get involved.

My ISFJ mother, however, fits your description perfectly. (She's not very emotionally healthy so keep that in mind.) She couldn't sit quietly if her life depended on it. Yes, it's with her that I ignore the conversations most often. She also has a compulsive need to meddle with other people's business even when explicitly and repeatedly told not to. Also likely to get offended when called out on such behavior. Oh, and don't forget the 'enthusiastic fool' mentality. (Massive undertakings out of the blue, and at most inconvenient times.)

I can't really tell if it's a matter of emotional health, Te vs Fe or both. I'm really curious what the replies of other SJ's will be like...
 

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I don't think this is a typology thing in general really. Shit you find annoying =/= "sj".
 

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An observation I've made. If you say something an SJ will feel the need to say something along the same lines, even if it doesn't make any sense, has no reason to be said, or is just simply redundant. Redundant being the most notable. They may just repeat what you say, but as if it were there own statement. Sometimes, they will cut you off to finish your sentence for you... for you. Even in physical situation, they will get up and just start accomplishing the task you set out to do... I'm like "stop, no, no, stop." and they call it being helpful, but it doesn't feel like it. It feels like some type of I can do it better/I need to do it to show I can/ocd.. thing.

These are observations from 2 SJ's I know. Age, 14 and 8. ISTJ and ESFJ.

So I really want to understand this, my view may be all wrong (intp here) Hope some SJ's can enlighten me.

I can relate to the arguing and noticing being cut off but not noticing cutting others off with my ESTJ brother. I've seen impatience in him with trying to do things too, but not to the point he tries to take over what I'm doing.
 
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This is very interesting, actually. As an SJ I can't relate to that in the slightest. In fact, it's not uncommon for me to sit silently even when other people are trying to get me to converse. As in, I'll literally say nothing despite being addressed repeatedly. Nor do I ever interfere with other people's affairs unless asked to. Even if I think someone needs my help, if they say they don't want it I'll not get involved.

My ISFJ mother, however, fits your description perfectly. (She's not very emotionally healthy so keep that in mind.) She couldn't sit quietly if her life depended on it. Yes, it's with her that I ignore the conversations most often. She also has a compulsive need to meddle with other people's business even when explicitly and repeatedly told not to. Also likely to get offended when called out on such behavior. Oh, and don't forget the 'enthusiastic fool' mentality. (Massive undertakings out of the blue, and at most inconvenient times.)

I can't really tell if it's a matter of emotional health, Te vs Fe or both. I'm really curious what the replies of other SJ's will be like...
lol, I have an ISFJ mother as well. "Massive undertakings out of the blue, and at the most inconvenient times." Sounds about right. All of a sudden she wants to rearrange the entire house, or start up a business.
 

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Really -_- really? You're going to pigeonhole a demographic that takes up about half our population based on a couple kids you know? Really.
Half our population ...... :bursts into tears:


And 8 is too young to type, 14 is debatable, but not as accurate as 16-18 or older.
 
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Technically typing is only accurate when you're 18 or over I think :p but you can tell the general trends, like some kids are more serious whereas others are goofy, some are quiet while others are loud etc.

A quiet serious kid is more like to be an ISTJ than the loud and goofy one who's probably ESFP/ENFP.

But on topic, I've noticed it's more of a "I know best" attitude and to be honest when it comes to being organised or doing something by the book, they do :p. Give SJ's some credit, they have to be half of the population for a reason ;)
 

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Technically typing is only accurate when you're 18 or over I think :p but you can tell the general trends, like some kids are more serious whereas others are goofy, some are quiet while others are loud etc.

A quiet serious kid is more like to be an ISTJ than the loud and goofy one who's probably ESFP/ENFP.

But on topic, I've noticed it's more of a "I know best" attitude and to be honest when it comes to being organised or doing something by the book, they do :p. Give SJ's some credit, they have to be half of the population for a reason ;)
I think you can type the dominant function in kids. I work with them a lot, so I have a lot of fun trying to relate with each child with special attention paid to that dominant function. It's hard to keep up with those Se kids sometimes, I'll admit, but seeing Fi versus Ti in someone so young is dern near impossible. The children I'm fairly sure are SJ's are pretty great kids; remarkable memory, too.
And, yeah, I don't get all this SJ hate either :/
 

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l see this as dominant and sometimes aux Fe related.

lt really can annoy me, but then l feel bad for being annoyed by it. l can understand when someone is just trying to be helpful.

l just don't like it when a person doesn't seem to able to gauge when their input counts or not, gives the same advice to everyone just to talk :crazy:

Worst offender l know personally, male ENFJ.
 
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Isn't the age of 14 and 8 considered a bit too young for proper typing?
Yep, that's why I put there ages in the post. So, you could take my observations with proper context. I mean, I also have an SJ mother for sure. But, I think they learn to curb these things a bit better with maturity. Although my Mom (52) does show these same traits come to think of it. There just not so blunt... or actually it is when it comes to physical task for sure, I guess I just thought that was a very "mom thing" to do.
 

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Really -_- really? You're going to pigeonhole a demographic that takes up about half our population based on a couple kids you know? Really.
Nope. "So I really want to understand this, my view may be all wrong (intp here) Hope some SJ's can enlighten me."
 

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My ISxJ mother does all of this, big-time. I'm hesitant to extrapolate and call these things general SJ behavior, but I'm gonna theorize about your observations anyway, for shits and giggles.


"This thing you said made me think of this other thing" = Ne. So the seemingly random/redundant interjections you notice may be inferior Ne?

"Here, let me do this thing for you" may well be based off a lifetime of seeing non-SJs do things in suboptimal ways, messing up details.
 

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@justry - On occasion, if someone is being annoying, I will cut them off just to get them to shut up but that's the only time I'll do it. I'm an excellent listener otherwise. My fellow ESTJ grandfather and ISFJ mother are perfect listeners as well.

Also basing your observations of personality types on children can often be a faulty process. You might have them mistyped because personalities generally don't fully develop until the late teenage years (although I'm sure there are a few exceptions out there). Also interupting is just a typical child/young teen behavior, either because they're not completely aware of what is socially acceptable yet and/or their parents failed to teach them how to be polite.

Purely from my own personal experience, the worst interupters are ESxPs, xNTPs (particularly of the E variety), and ENxJs. Even still there can be exceptions in those types too! Anyone can be either a good listener or a bad listener depending on how healthy they are and whether or not they were taught proper etiquette.

With that said, all of the SJs I know, and NFs for that matter (most of the ENFJs excluded), are very polite in conversations.
 
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