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The Superego, the shadow, the cognitive functions, the Extraversion and Introversion as a primary source of knowledge/data

Why does it work? The tools are very useful but I really wonder why it makes sense neurologically or even for introspection

Why for example Fi could go with Ne but not directly Si or Ni Te as a secondary function?
 

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It doesn't.
 

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lol I was about to ask: Does it?

Jung probably appeals to people who already understand things in terms of dualities.
 

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based in neuroscience research so far, the anterior cingulate gyrus when more developed seems to roughly correspond to what Jung described as extraversion (and also explains why you only have one developed preference really)
also I suspect Feeling is a more uninhibited utilization of the interoceptive system which relates to "gut feelings" (literally and figuratively)

we'll figure out more in time

as for the Jungian theory, the attitude doesn't change from judgment to perception in consciously used functions, this was decided by Myers & Briggs and not empirically based to the degree Jung was able to determine

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MBTI is based on extroversion and introversion, which are observable qualities in people. Once you observe extroversion and introversion in people, noticing qualities like intuitive and sensing, feeling and thinking, J and P are easier as well.

Personality is how people tell each other apart. Without personality, everything would look and feel the same.
 

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MBTI is based on extroversion and introversion, which are observable qualities in people. Once you observe extroversion and introversion in people, noticing qualities like intuitive and sensing, feeling and thinking, J and P are easier as well.

Personality is how people tell each other apart. Without personality, everything would look and feel the same.
How do you tell apart extroversion from introversion in people?
People have different personalities, sure, but what makes these personality types? How can you be sure that it's not just your mind trying to group people for the sake of satisfying your own logic?
 

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How do you tell apart extroversion from introversion in people?
People have different personalities, sure, but what makes these personality types? How can you be sure that it's not just your mind trying to group people for the sake of satisfying your own logic?
It might help you to observe people's faces more. It's similar to how people who have spent months to years studying chimps will be able to tell which chimp is which, and point them out by name just by looking at the chimps face.

To help you, you can begin by studying the faces on this visual typing website, and compare two extremes, like those between ENTP and INFJ (Dominant Ne vs Dominant Ni), or ESFP and ISTJ (Dominant Se vs Dominant Si).
mbti-typings.my-free.website
 

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It might help you to observe people's faces more. It's similar to how people who have spent months to years studying chimps will be able to tell which chimp is which, and point them out by name just by looking at the chimps face.

To help you, you can begin by studying the faces on this visual typing website, and compare two extremes, like those between ENTP and INFJ (Dominant Ne vs Dominant Ni), or ESFP and ISTJ (Dominant Se vs Dominant Si).
mbti-typings.my-free.website
I can see the merit in visual typing, since certain facial expressions would produce similar musculature per type, but the site you've linked is pretty inaccurate at typing. Britney Spears, Chris cornell and Madonna are the same type? They don't look anything alike, so what's the basis of this visual typing method?
 

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I can see the merit in visual typing, since certain facial expressions would produce similar musculature per type, but the site you've linked is pretty inaccurate at typing. Britney Spears, Chris cornell and Madonna are the same type? They don't look anything alike, so what's the basis of this visual typing method?
There are mistakes in the visual typing on that website, and I haven't updated it in a long time.

I have looked at Chris Cornell again, and he appears to be INFJ. In any case, Madonna is ENTP CapCom, hands-on learner, quality time love language, while Britney Spears is ENTP SoCom, auditory learner, affirmation love language primary and physical intimacy love language secondary. This goes into MBTI+, which adds temperament systems. You can read about the love language and Political Temperament here:


If you want to identify between extroversion and introversion, then I would suggest practicing all you can with looking at faces, and your typing will improve over time.
 

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@Sparky I can identify pretty well between E/I, was wondering if you have a good way of doing it I'm not aware of. We don't really agree but thanks anyways.
 

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The visual typing aspect is very interesting. I want more. But it's like explaining one aspect of personality types. I think it can be explain by hormones or socialisation. Idk

The question I was asking was much more how neurologically or works

And for the ones who started by answering it doesnt make sense, you should consider that if it is not in the brain, there is chance that everything is complete bullshit even the typing.

And for some reasons I think it works. Actually the more I discover psychology the more accurate is the model at its level of comprehension
 

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My current best understanding is that Jung does explain actual mental models, how a person's mind works inside. It's not easy reading but once you dig into it, at some point you can see which model/type you identify the most. And then if lucky, one is able to see that model inside their mind. The latter comes out easier when a person experiences longer lasting friction or conflict with their natural state of mind - that's how i found it out for myself.

Mbti on the other hand, seems to describe how people could look from outside. This is pretty confusing and could lead to many mistypings because we all see ourselves through some subjective lens, it takes time and effort to objectively see how our minds actually work. Also our external and internal imago of self is often different, which made me hard time to understand my actual mindset.

Often those stereotypes don't really explain much and are inaccurate - it's possible to relate to at least something from any type stereotype for many people. Mbti doesn't also seem to describe how a person's mind works inside, yet it doesn't make it totally useless as it's easier to read and understand up to some point. To the point where you start to see that you've typed yourself totally wrong - how on earth to distinguish by only descriptions if any role is your aux/tert/inf - no we don't struggle with inf visibly for others, we just don't rely on it much of the time :p

Btw it'd be a favour for all the people who are interested in better understanding of their personalities, if anyone on earth made Jung's descriptions much more concrete and easier to read, backed up by enough examples from reality. Then other theories would become pretty useless - I've seen that by talking with people who actually possess this or that trait as their dom, they are often able to put it into much simpler words, understandable by anyone on the street who's interested.
 
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