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Why going vegan might not be a good idea
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There are voices which say that veganism might be bad for your long term health and I think this should be "brought on the table" as well. I think you always have to look at both sides of the coin. Please note that I do not know the "ultimate truth" regarding diet either, so no guarantees:


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Also check out these two books:
Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBrides book:
https://www.amazon.com/Psychology-Syndrome-D-D-D-H-D-Schizophrenia/dp/0954852028/
She also gives youtube lectures.
Dr. Gundrys book:
https://www.amazon.com/Plant-Paradox-Dangers-Healthy-Disease/dp/006242713X/

So I would advice you to be very cautious - I suggest everyone simply tries which diet works best for him or her :)

Please also check this out:
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A vegan diet never sustained any traditional culture
Dr. Weston Price, a dentist with a passion for nutrition, traveled the globe to discover the secrets of healthy, happy people. He recorded his findings in the 30’s in the landmark book, Nutrition and Physical Degeneration. From the Inuit in Alaska to the Maori in New Zealand, Dr. Price revealed that the diets traditional to each culture, although dependent on geography, followed a strict set of dietary laws.

Perhaps the most striking commonality is an unerring reverence for animal foods. No traditional culture subsisted on a vegan diet, a fact that Dr. Price found particularly interesting.

Some cultures, such as the Masai tribe in Africa, consumed almost exclusively animal products. The Masai ate meat, milk and blood from their cattle, experiencing profound health and incredible bone structure (which is an indicator of generational health). Cultures – such as the Inuit – that didn’t practice animal husbandry caught wild meat or fish. Groups who had the least access to animal products would forage for grubs and bugs.

The China Study (which is a book title, not a study) has been used to promote the idea that primarily vegan cultures experience better health than omnivorous cultures. T. Campbell, the author, notoriously cherry-picked data to arrive at a specific conclusion. Denise Minger, author of Death by Food Pyramid, published a scathing critique of Cambell’s work in her article, The China Study: Fact or Fiction.

Read more and sources: Nutrition and Physical Degeneration, Nourishing Traditions, The China Study: Fact or Fiction

Vegan diets do not provide fat-soluble vitamins A and D
Contrary to popular belief, you can’t get vitamin A from carrots. Vegetables provide carotene, a precursor to vitamin A, while animal sources such as liver and pastured egg yolks provide true vitamin A. Many people believe that carotene can be converted into vitamin A, but this conversion is usually insignificant. First, it takes a huge amount of carotene to convert to a moderate amount of vitamin A. Second, when there is poor thyroid function, impaired digestion or a a lack of healthy fats in the diet, this conversion won’t happen.

In the same way, useable vitamin D (natural vitamin D3) is only found in animal products such as pastured egg yolks, cod liver oil and dairy products from grass-grazing animals. Traditionally, ancient cultures that lived in darker environments relied heavily on these vitamin-D rich foods (for example, Scandinavians ate copious amounts of salmon and grassfed butter). The myth that we can obtain vitamin D from mushrooms is false… mushrooms contain vitamin D2, which is extremely poorly absorbed.

Vitamin A and Vitamin D are particularly essential for immune regulation, digestion, fertility and hormone balance.

Read more and sources: True Vitamin A Foods, The Vitamin A Saga, Vitamin D in Mushrooms?

Vegan diets often rely heavily on soy
Soy, soy, the magical fruit. The more you eat, the more… your hormones go berserk!

10 years ago, a vegan diet equated to vegetables interspersed with soy milk, soy cheese, soy bacon, soy protein, soy cereal, tofu, and tempeh. Now, the health problems with chronic soy consumption are becoming more mainstream anedemame 2d many vegans have reduced their soy consumption. Even so, a vegan diet often relies on a moderate amount of soy products – especially soy protein powders and soy protein bars.

The primary concern with consuming soy in any form is the phytoestrogen content. Phytoestrogens can mimic estrogen in the body, causing a chain reaction of hormone imbalances. Although studies showing the hormonal effects of consuming soy are controversial, I believe the research indicates that we should play it safe rather than sorry. For example, one study showed that infants consuming soy formula had concentrations of blood estrogen levels 13,000 to 22,000 times higher than normal estrogen levels!

Read more, studies and sources: Exposure of infants to phyto-oestrogens from soy-based infant formula, Studies showing the adverse affects of dietary soy, Is Soy Bad for You or Good For You? (a great summary of research on soy and why it may be biased)

Vegan diets do not provide vitamin K2
Vitamin K2 is the shuttle that transports calcium into your bones. You can eat as much calcium as you want but it won’t strengthen your bones unless it is accompanied by vitamin K2. This is one reason why calcium supplementation has beencheese slice shown to increase the risk of plaque formation – the body can’t use the calcium for building bones so it stores it in the arteries.

Unlike vitamin K1, plants do not provide vitamin K2. (The one and only exception to this rule is natto, a fermented soybean product. One problem, however, is that natto is, for the majority of humans and animals, repulsive to eat). Like other fat-soluble vitamins, Vitamin K2 is found fatty sources – Mother Nature packages the vitamin with the cofactors required to absorb it. You’ll get vitamin K2 in pastured egg yolks, milk and cheese from grassfed animals, liver, beef, and chicken.

Read more and sources: Vitamin K2 and The Calcium Paradox

Ethical omnivorism supports a healthy planet
What is ethical omnivorism? I define it as choosing sustainably-raised animal products from small, local producers. With a little planning and careful selection, can be relatively budget-friendly. I think people should eat less meat, but a much higher quality to support the demand for pasture-raised meats. $1 hamburgers have no place in an ethical omnivore world.

Our ecosystem relies on a self-regulating balance of predators and prey. This system worked well with humans and their prey until we began inhumane farming practices that compromise the wellbeing of animals, the health of humans, and the health of the planet.

But just like Confined Feeding Animal Operations aren’t the answer to a healthy planet, neither is veganism. Vegan diets ten to demand a higher quantity of cereal grains and soy, crops which wreak havoc on our ecosystem due to mass farming techniques. On the other hand, grass-grazing animals can nourish stripped soil and even reverse desertification!

Read more and sources: Joel Salatin on Grassfed Beef (video), Reversing Desertification with Grassfed Cows, Eat the Yolks.

Real Food > Fake Food
How do you create cheese, milk and meat without cheese, milk and meat? With a slew of non-foods including stabilizers, gums, thickeners and highly processed protein extracts. Yummy.

Let’s consider the example of Earth Balance, a non-dairy butter often used in vegan diets.

Ingredients in a Earth Balance: Palm fruit oil, canola oil, safflower oil, flax oil, olive oil, salt, natural flavor, pea protein, sunflower lecithin, lactic acid, annatto color.
Ingredients in butter: butter.
Humans have been eating butter for thousands of years. We only started producing canola oil in the last century. Butter is real food, but canola oil is a freak of nature. Similarly, pea protein and natural flavors are highly processed non-foods.

Fortunately, more and more people are becoming aware that processed vegan products are just that – highly processed. Still, many vegans reach for these options on a regular basis.

Read more: 7 reasons to never use canola oil, 6 reasons to avoid non dairy milks.

Vegan isn’t the answer to autoimmune disease
Autoimmunity is a 21st century epidemic, with 50 million people suffering with an autoimmune disease in America (according to AARDA) But did you know that you can address autoimmunity with diet? I’m living proof that it works! Three years ago, my ulcerative colitis was so advanced that my doctors wanted to remove my colon. Instead, I decided to do whatever it took to heal myself naturally. Now, I’m completely symptom free (and colon intact!) thanks to my dietary changes.

All disease begins in the gut, and all disease must be addressed by improving gut health. In the case of autoimmunity, the intestines are permeable to bacterial toxins and undigested proteins (leaky gut), which cause an problematic immune response.

To heal leaky gut, specific foods must be removed from the diet and nutrient-dense foods should be emphasized. The two leaders in leaky gut dietary treatment – Dr. Natasha Campbell McBride and Sarah Ballantyne – both agree that animal products are a nonnegotiable, essential part of healing leaky gut to address autoimmunity.

Read more and sources: The Gut and Psychology Syndrome Diet, The Paleo Approach, Breaking the Vicious Cycle.

You must take life to have life
Many people choose veganism because they think it cruel to take a life, but something dies no matter what you eat. For example, field mice were demolished in order to grow the corn for a box of vegan cereal.

Further, plants are living beings, capable of communicating with each other and the world around them. Controversial but intriguing research, discussed in this documentary, indicates that plants can even sense and respond to human emotions!

Nutritional Therapist Liz Wolf sums it up perfectly in her book Eat the Yolks:

If we truly believe that no living thing should have to die for our dinner, we shouldn’t eat at all. If we truly believe that all life deserves equal respect, why not equalize ourselves by embracing the elegant fact that we are all, as Nelson writes, “driven by the same hungers that motivate any other creature— the squirrel in the forest, the vole in the meadow, the bear on the mountainside, the deer in the valley”?

Read more and sources: The Secret Life of Plants (free documentary on Youtube), Eat the Yolks, The Intelligent Plant.

Vegan diets are deficient in vitamin B12 and iron
Like vitamin A, D and K2, the readily-absorbed form of vitamin B12 and iron is found only in animal sources (are you seeing a pattern here?). Testing with the most up-to-date methods show that 83% of vegans are B12 deficient, compared to 5% of omnivores.

What about spirulina and brewer’s yeast as a source of B12? Chris Kresser has an excellent post on vegan diets and vitamin deficiencies in which he addresses this question:

A common myth amongst vegetarians and vegans is that it’s possible to get B12 from plant sources like seaweed, fermented soy, spirulina and brewers yeast. But plant foods said to contain B12 actually contain B12 analogs called cobamides that block the intake of, and increase the need for, true B12. (4)

Chris also discusses iron in his post. While plants such as lentils and leafy greens do provide some iron, it is not as well-absorbed as animal-based iron. He explains,

Vegetarians and vegans have lower iron stores than omnivores, and […] vegetarian diets have been shown to reduce non-heme iron absorption by 70% and total iron absorption by 85%. (6, 7)

Read more and sources: Why You Should Think Twice About Vegetarian and Vegan Diets, Eat the Yolks

Animal fats offer unique nutrients
Have you heard that flax seeds, walnuts, hemp seeds and chia seeds are all excellent sources of omega-3? That may be true, but these plant sources provide a form of omega-3 that is not well absorbed by the body.

The omega-3 in plant sources, such as flaxseed and walnuts, is ALA. ALA must be converted to EPA or DHA in the body to be useable. Unfortunately, the conversion between ALA and EPA/ DHA is extremely low. One study showed that women convert about 21% of ALA to EPA and 9% to DHA. The conversion rates for men are even lower.

Further, as Chris Kresser points out in his article on vegan nutrient deficiencies, “the conversion of ALA to DHA depends on zinc, iron and pyridoxine—nutrients which vegetarians and vegans are less likely than omnivores to get enough of.”

Fats from sustainably-raised animals provide unique health benefits not found in plant sources:

EPA and DHA, the active forms of omega-3 vital for cognitive function, are found only in animal sources such as fatty fish.
Fat soluble vitamins A, D and K2 are found in fatty animal products (discussed above).
Cholesterol, a vital ingredient for healthy hormones, can be dietarily obtained only through animal sources. Yes, the body can produce cholesterol, but dietary cholesterol is a key part of wellness including memory, liver health, and digestion.
But don’t cholesterol-rich saturated fats cause heart disease? Nope! Saturated fats were wrongly blamed for heart disease with the help of poor research and sleazy food politics. Now, even mainstream sources are acknowledging the science. For example, the 2014 June cover of Time Magazine announced, “Eat butter. Scientists labeled fat the enemy. Why they were wrong.”

Read more, studies and sources: 5 Reasons Why Butter is a Superfood, Cholesterol and Heart Disease, 2010 meta-analysis on saturated fat consumption, 2014 meta-analysis on saturated fat consumption, study on ALA conversion, Nourishing Traditions, Why You Should Think Twice About Vegetarian and Vegan Diets.
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Also check this out:
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Ten Things We Are Not Being Told About Diet (Part One)
sift666 (65) in food • 2 years ago
Almost everything we are being told about food, good diet and healthy eating is not just inaccurate, it’s the exact opposite of the truth. And there is good reason for this – selling people cheap, toxic crap is really profitable, and making them ill and then selling them cheap, toxic drugs is really profitable too.

Here are ten food tips that are not exactly being broadcast by the mainstream media, the medical (sickness) industry, and the food manufacturers.

They are also being hidden by governments, who are getting a huge portion of their funding from these three enormous and totally corrupt institutions.

Avoid Refined Carbohydrates

This is the big one – avoid these and for most people, weight gain is generally not a problem. Yes, that does include bread, pasta, sugars, cereals, fruit juices and muffins. Yes that pretty much is the food everyone else lives on, and it will make you a social freak.

If it’s any consolation you can eat as much meat, veg, and saturated fat as you like and it will all be just fine. So you can have bacon and eggs, and raw cream for breakfast, while you watch fat people eat bagels and orange juice!

This pic below is known as a “food pyramid” – it’s a good summary of how not to eat, all encompassed in one child friendly, grain industry sponsored pile of propaganda:

Drink Clean Water

Obtain clean water and drink it. Tap water in New Zealand (just like in America and Australia) is toxic because it contains fluoride, chlorine, aluminium (alum), and in some cases (where there are old water pipes) asbestos as well

It’s not just drinking the tap water that’s a problem – bathing and showering in it leads to fluoride and chlorine absorption too.

A good household carbon filter will take out chlorine, asbestos, and aluminium, but it will not take out fluoride. This can be done, but it requires a much more expensive filtration system (around NZ$2000-4000) to sort out your water for bathing and showering.

Reverse osmosis filters and distillers will get most of the fluoride out for drinking, but they remove the good minerals too, and this leads to other problems.

If you are unable to obtain water free from a good source, and have to buy bottled water, keep in mind that some bottled water is just tap water that’s been filtered to get rid of the chlorine taste, while some bottled spring water is good quality.

Eat Raw Dairy Products

Milk that has been pasturised is useless, all the enzymes in it that are needed for digestion and calcium absorption have been destroyed.

Full fat raw milk from A2 Jersey cows eating fresh organic grass is a health food. But only raw milk is worth drinking, commercial milk that has been pasturised or homoginised is no good at all.

In New Zealand (and some other countries/states), real raw milk can be obtained directly from some farmers (for about the same price as the Fonterra sells it’s A1 maximum allowable DDT content, low fat crud in the supermarkets).

Avoid Sugar In All It’s Forms

Of all the refined carbs, it’s sugar that’s the worst one. It’s hard to avoid because almost all commercial food contains it in some form.

It’s cheap and addictive, and it has been linked to pretty much every form of illness, particularly cancer, diabetes, and obesity. On an ingredients label, generally anything ending in “ose” is a sugar too. And fructose is one of the worst forms. High fructose corn syrup is king toxic of the toxic stuff.

PowerBar – “Athletic energy food for optimum performance.”
MAIN INGREDIENT: High Fructose Corn Syrup….
Avoid “Low Fat” Foods – Eat More Saturated Fats

Low fat foods tend to be high sugar foods, and are generally unhealthy and fattening. They are the fast way to become an obese diabetic.

At each meal, aim to consume some foods with a high content of saturated fat, or add some saturated fat, such as butter or coconut cream, to foods that are low in fat (such as fruit)

And like saturated fat, cholesterol is an essential nutrient. A low cholesterol diet raises the levels of bad cholesterol and increases the likelihood of heart attacks and high blood pressure. Basically a diet low in cholesterol causes high cholesterol. (yes, the exact opposite of what “doctors” are saying) So eat foods high in cholesterol regularly too.

You have probably heard differently on this – don’t worry, it’s just like 911, the media reports have been slightly misleading!

Avoid Gluten

Modern wheat is bred for it’s high gluten content. But gluten is not a good food for humans or most other animals.
Intolerance to gluten follows a bell curve, from celiac’s to people who are fine eating gluten, but the vast majority (well over 50%) of people in western nations are suffering health problems from eating gluten.

If in doubt, avoid all gluten for six days, then eat some. You may be fine, but the majority of people get symptoms such as diarrhoea, headaches, or stomach ache when testing, which shows they have a gluten intolerance to some degree.

Good replacements for wheat flour include coconut flour, ground almonds, and arrowroot flour. (You can’t just substitute though. You may need to mix flours together correctly, so consult someone experienced in gluten free cooking for help.)

Tip Top bread – like all modern high gluten bread, best avoided.
Avoid Fast Food – Eat Slow Food

Avoid microwaves, takeaways, instant noodles, and production line swill from commercial producers.
Eat food that’s been carefully produced and prepared by people who care what goes into it.

Avoid ingesting man-made chemicals

Don’t put them on your skin (deodorants), wash in them (most shampoos), swim in them (chlorinated swimming pools), inject them (vaccinations), put them in your teeth (mercury amalgam fillings), inhale them (most perfumes), smoke them (cigarettes), cook in them (teflon), or swallow them (drugs – including prescription ones).

But most of all, don’t eat them – flavourings, colourings, preservatives, MSG – Virtually all chemicals (and there’s about 80,000 of them) are toxic to living things. Just because they are in food doesn’t mean they are OK, – it just means the right officials were paid in full to approve them.

Avoid Soft Drinks (“soda”)

This one’s not rocket science, sickly fizzy products such as those sold by Coca Cola are not doing you any favours!

Avoid Trans Fats and Vegetable Oils

Fats are a complex subject, and no area of diet has more misinformation than this one.

Coconut oil, butter, lard, and extra virgin olive oils are generally good foods, while pretty much all other vegetable oils are rancid toxic crud. Canola oil (rapeseed) is among the worst.

Heated vegetable oils are about as dodgy as they get, and yes your fish and chip shop IS trying to kill you – chips fried in lard are much better for you!

“We cook with healthy canola oil” – Mmmmm, trans fats AND a gluten batter….better wash it all down with a coke!
Don’t worry; it’s actually quite easy to cook your own fish and chips using lard, olive oil, or coconut oil, so there’s no need to go without this tasty favourite.
Part two is now online, but this may be enough to worry about for now…

If you are ready for more - https://steemit.com/food/@sift666/ten-more-things-we-are-not-being-told-about-diet-part-two

For more food information, we have several websites on our home portal FROT including:

DietNet – Designing Individual Eating Therapies
debgully.com – natural health consultant
http://www.wapfwellington.org
Nature Foods
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and this:
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Ten More Things We Are Not Being Told About Diet (Part Two)
sift666 (65) in food • 2 years ago
The misinformation being spread in the media about food, diet and health eating is not just inaccurate; it’s the exact opposite of the truth. And there is good reason for this – selling people cheap, toxic food is really profitable, and making them ill and then selling them cheap, toxic drugs is really profitable too.

Here are another ten food tips that are not exactly being broadcast by the media, the medical (sickness) industry, or the food manufacturers.

They are also being covered up by government agencies, which are getting a huge portion of their funding from these three enormous and totally corrupt institutions.

To see the first ten, check out my post from yesterday. These two posts don't cover everything, but hopefully they got most of the big ones. If there are any other topics you would like to see covered, please feel free to mention them in the comments. I will probably do some humour posts or photo posts next, because I’m into those too. It’s just that sometimes I like to jump up and down and make squeaking noises.

https://steemit.com/food/@sift666/ten-things-we-are-not-being-told-about-diet-part-one

Avoid Soy

This shouldn’t be too hard really, it tastes horrible.

It’s also a dangerous toxic substance that does so many undesirable things to people it’s hard to know where to start. Thankfully it’s not as common in New Zealand as it is in America, and it’s mainly vegetarians who seem to consume it.

Avoid it, and if you really feel the need for some toxic stuff at least eat something more enjoyable like sugar or alcohol.

The Whole Soy Story by Kaayla T. Daniel, PhD goes into this subject in depth.

https://www.amazon.com/Whole-Soy-Story-Americas-Favorite/dp/0967089751/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1475893422&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Whole+Soy+Story+by+Kaayla+T.+Daniel

Avoid Aspartame and all artificial sweeteners

Aspartame, Nutra Sweet, Splenda, and Equal, cause headaches, nausea, vertigo, insomnia, numbness, blurred vision, blindness and other eye problems, memory loss, slurred speech, depression, personality changes, hyperactivity, stomach disorders, seizures, skin lesions, rashes, anxiety attacks, muscle cramping and joint pain, loss of energy, symptoms mimicking heart attacks, hearing loss and ear ringing, loss or change of taste, cancer, Parkinson’s disease, brain tumours, tremors…

This stuff is really bad, but for some reason, even today, there are people who don’t know that – like Michael J Fox

This is not one to mess with – really avoid it 100%

Eat Free Range, Grass Fed Meat

While this is normal in New Zealand, the same cannot be said for many other countries. Even in NZ it pays to check, as cheap toxic animal products are being imported from countries like China, while much of our quality meat is being exported for top prices to markets like the UK.

The quality of the meat is determined by what the animals eat and how healthy they are. Growth hormones, chemical fertilizers, antibiotics, and the consumption of food other than clean fresh grass is highly undesirable. (Grain fed animals are very dodgy, let alone ones fed on waste products)

If I lived in America I wouldn’t eat most of the meat sold in supermarkets, that’s for sure!

Avoid toxic and polluted imported foods from unclean sources such as China

China makes cheap TV’s and bicycles, but you don’t eat those. If you choose to buy cheap Chinese food, you are best to just stare at it, or sit on it, but on no account eat it.

It’s almost unbelievable that so much food is now being made from “local and imported ingredients” – if you don’t know where something comes from – do not eat it.

Ignore the rantings of the vegetarian movement

Vegetarians can be pretty militant (almost all the abusive emails received by our food sites such as DietNet are from vegetarians), and many non-vegetarians have been subtly influenced to actually believe that products like soy are in some way healthier than animal based foods.
While a lot of the commercial meat is toxic in some countries, it’s not that eating meat is inherently unhealthy, it’s just important to make sure the meat is sourced from healthy animals.

Quality meats (organic, grass fed, full fat, unprocessed), and animal products (eg. raw milk, free range eggs, raw cheese) are the real super nutrients, not lentils!

Nice work…this book is really on to it…not
Alcohol really is a poison

Yes I am saying avoid all alcohol, it is a poison and it does you a great deal of damage. But you probably already know that and drink it anyway.

Some drinks are less harmful than others – traditionally slow brewed beers are better than fast brewed commercial beers.

There are some spirits that possibly have health benefits such as traditionally distilled Greek Ouzo (helps digestion) served with mineral water, and small amounts of good quality organic wine are a little better than supermarket swill.

Most wine is toxic as it contains preservatives such as 220 (sulphur dioxide) and 200 (sorbic acid), so only drink organic preservative free wine.

Quality not quantity is the key here.

And after drinking, there are some things that can help speed recovery and minimise the damage, such as Chlorella.

Avoid using Microwaves

Microwaves damage your food, and there is no point obtaining quality food then nuking it.

MICROWAVE – FROT
Avoid all Genetically Modified food like the plague

Monsanto UK actually ban GM food from their own staff cafeterias – and they would know!

I won’t get into this in depth here because it’s a huge subject, but at some point when I next feel squeaking urges coming on, I’ll do a post on this.

10 scientific studies that prove GMOs are toxic

Watch out for other food related dangers

Amalgam fillings release mercury into your system and are very toxic – they are banned in many European countries for good reason. Chewing clean food with toxic teeth is self defeating.

And although they are not directly food related I’ll also mention again to avoid vaccines, prescription drugs, most hair dyes, most cosmetics, most deodorants, along with x-rays and cell phones – all of which contribute to rising cancer rates.

Pesticides are highly toxic so always choose organic food where possible (do some background checking on your organic foods because there is a lot of mislabeling going on. It varies by country, and in America most pesticide contaminated foods include: Apples, Bell Peppers, Celery, Peaches, Strawberries, Nectarines, Grapes, Spinach, Lettuce, Cucumbers, Blueberries, and Potatoes.

Meanwhile in New Zealand the worst foods for pesticides are Celery, Peaches, Apricots, Butter/cream/cheese, Wheat/bread, Apples, Plums, Mandarins, Raspberries, Oranges, Strawberries, and Grapes/raisins/sultanas.

Plastic storage containers can contaminate your food with pseudo estrogens – which along with foods like soy, contribute further to “man breasts” and many other side effects

Avoid takeaways from the waste dumps known as “Fast Food Restaurants”

This is like a summary of most of the things I’ve just mentioned.

In one fast, corporate, toxic, ethical void you can pay money to eat:

Trans fats, sugar, chemicals, flavourings, colourings, artificial sweeteners, gluten, unclean and poor quality meats, pesticide residues, aspartame, GM food, suspect imported ingredients, and minced up toxic four week old chickens, all happily served to you by teenagers who are paid less than street cleaners.

BEFORE (Michael Moore who doesn't seem to eat well at all)

AFTER (Marc Sisson who eats very well)

This post is an update of information posted on our website here
FOOD – FROT

For more food information, we have several websites on our home portal FROT including:
DietNet – Designing Individual Eating Therapies
debgully.com – natural health consultant
www.wapfwellington.org
Nature Foods
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LOL. Well first of all, your sources are complete and utter trash. If you're going to argue something like this, you ought to do some research instead of looking at fad-diet web sites that are only thinly disguised marketing ploys. The World Health Organization has approved well-balanced vegan diets for all life stages including pregnancy and infancy.

Donald Watson, the person who created the word "veganism" lived to be 95 and until his late 80s seemed a man ten years younger than he chronologically was.

T. Colin Campbell, one of the most outspoken and credible plant- based physicians in America is still practicing medicine and in excellent health and he is 84.

The vast majority of people who live in Blue Zones (people who enjoy longer than average lifespans as a geographical group and who also enjoy better quality of life at those later ages) are either vegan or vegetarian. The only exceptions are those who eat so little meat that we can argue they consume a truly plant-based diet.

Numerous studies also show that vegans generally have a significantly lower risk of any kind of heart disease and certain kinds of cancer.

I also have no idea why you're posting about GMOs (they're not necessary for vegans in fact lots of vegans are anti-gmo), microwaves (what in the actual hell), aspartame and artificial sweeteners (most vegans opt for things like maple syrup , raw sugar, or agave syrup), and ZERO of these things have ANYTHING to do with being vegan or following a plant based diet.

You seem like someone with an axe to grind and a poor grasp of what the word "vegan" even means - it certainly doesn't mean "person who eats GMOs that they heat in the microwave, and enjoy with a side of Diet Coke." You seem to be mistaking a a complex ethical philosophy that factors in animal sentience and the ecological impact of animal agriculture with some 1980s low-fat diet scheme.

Vegans are also able to Omega 3 fatty acids from walnuts, flax, pumpkin seeds, and hemp, as well as algal oil, so that's a non-issue.

As for soy, as long as you eat things like edamame, tempeh, and tofu then there's nothing wrong with it. Far East Asians have been eating soy for 3000 years, and you only need to be careful not to be eating "soy protein isolate" a processed form of soy too often (though it's fine in moderation, like any processed food).

Since you seem to be a fan of YouTube, I'll just leave this playlist of Bite Size Vegan health and nutrition series, she's extremely academic and well-researched, as well as having a polite and "non-offensive" demeanor which is rare.

 

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Veganism would be bad for my emotional health because I wouldn't get to have bacon (I love bacon).
Please tell me you're either a vegan or vegetarian who is being sarcastic because vegans classically recognize three idiotic kindergarten arguments from apparently drunk or otherwise incapacitated meat eaters:

1) Bacon (because massive congestive heart failure is delicious)

2) Lions, tho (Yes I swear I eat raw meat in whole chunks after mowing it down with my bare paws, because "canines")

3) Speaking of Lion King, I also like Elton John (because I had no idea factory farming isn't actually "The Circle of Life.")

Vegans don't even get mad or offended when you say bacon, it's like talking to a tweaker about meth, Like "mmkay."

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While dietary science is rarely clear, it does appear that a vegan diet is not sustainable (not possible to get all or even most of required ingredients). A vegetarian diet can be easily sustainable, and who knows, maybe it's possible to get all through supplements with a vegan diet, but as far as I know, it is not.
 
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As a young-ish "junkfood vegan" I can safely say I DON'T pay attention to the nutritional side of things hahaha! Thanks for sharing your research. I think vegans typically supplement with vitamin pills, fortified foods and the like... some vegans like myself consider eating bivalves (mussels, oysters) to be ethical (they have no brain or capacity to feel pain) and for the health-conscious this is great as they provide many nutrients vegans may lack.

And now ..... introducing ..... the next paragraph! :smilet-digitalpoint:smilewoot: most people I know went plant-based for animal rights and environmental reasons. I have only met a handful of vegans who choose it for nutritional reasons. When you have a passion for those causes, you find a way to make it work. As mentioned, many vegans go on to live long, healthy lives but I do believe that everybody is different, and there may be cases when people really do need the meat of sentient animals for some reason to avoid serious health problems.

For me the life of an animal is very important and I don't like thinking about ending a sentient animal's life to meet a small nutritional need, especially if I can meet that another way. I would not like to be eaten by an alien simply because my body can provide them some nutrition :spacecraft-1: Maybe it's my bias but I do like to think that as the world gradually comes to terms with the scale of animal suffering in the meat industry, more solutions will naturally arise to meet any health needs.
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Please tell me you're either a vegan or vegetarian who is being sarcastic because vegans classically recognize three idiotic kindergarten arguments from apparently drunk or otherwise incapacitated meat eaters:

1) Bacon (because massive congestive heart failure is delicious)

2) Lions, tho (Yes I swear I eat raw meat in whole chunks after mowing it down with my bare paws, because "canines")

3) Speaking of Lion King, I also like Elton John (because I had no idea factory farming isn't actually "The Circle of Life.")

Vegans don't even get mad or offended when you say bacon, it's like talking to a tweaker about meth, Like "mmkay."

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Whoa, whoa, whoa! I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to offend anyone. I was just trying to make a lighthearted joke. I have no problem with people who choose to be vegetarian or vegan. I'm not personally a vegan or vegetarian, but my joke was intended to be nonjudgmental and focused on myself. I don't care what other people eat, as long as it ain't human meat (boo cannibalism).

And I'll take my chances eating bacon. If it shortens my lifespan, no worries. I don't eat it every day or anything either.

I generally want to be healthy, but to a point. A relative of mine is so health-concious that she sacrifices flavor in her food to the point that it doesn't taste good (or even kinda good). I'd rather die 10 years sooner and enjoy what I eat, staying moderately healthy, then to live to be 100 and eat stuff that seems more like bitter herbal medicine than food. I'm not gonna eat junk, but I believe most things are permissible in moderation.

And to clarify, I like meat, but I'm against the cruel treatment of animals. But if I accidentally hit a deer on the road, I'm not gonna let that perfectly good meat go to waste (I won't bother with a squirrel, rabbit, raccoon, or possum though...I do have my standards haha).
 

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While dietary science is rarely clear, it does appear that a vegan diet is not sustainable (not possible to get all or even most of required ingredients). A vegetarian diet can be easily sustainable, and who knows, maybe it's possible to get all through supplements with a vegan diet, but as far as I know, it is not.
"As far as you know" doesn't mean much of anything. "As far as you know" the Earth may be flat, but that doesn't make the Earth any less round.

Jain culture extends back centuries and these people are considered the first vegan culture that still exists (though others may have existed and blended into either Jain or Buddhist culture).

Since the 1940s, in the West, children have safely been raised vegan. There have been vegans in the 7th Day Adventist Church and in the UK's Vegan Society long before hippies and activists caught on in the 70's and 80s.

There are old people walking around who have been vegan since before they were conceived. The fact that most Westerners maintain willful ignorance about vegan nutrition says a lot about the influence of the meat and dairy industries on your TV soaked brains.

Western children have epidemic obesity, as well as an epidemic of having "middle aged diseases" like heart disease and diabetes now in droves. Meanwhile, people are still very concerned about that one kid in France ten years ago who died because his parents fed him soy milk in infancy instead of breast milk. It's borderline comedy.
 

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Whoa, whoa, whoa! I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to offend anyone. I was just trying to make a lighthearted joke. I have no problem with people who choose to be vegetarian or vegan. I'm not personally a vegan or vegetarian, but my joke was intended to be nonjudgmental and focused on myself. I don't care what other people eat, as long as it ain't human meat (boo cannibalism).

And I'll take my chances eating bacon. If it shortens my lifespan, no worries. I don't eat it every day or anything either.

I generally want to be healthy, but to a point. A relative of mine is so health-concious that she sacrifices flavor in her food to the point that it doesn't taste good (or even kinda good). I'd rather die 10 years sooner and enjoy what I eat, staying moderately healthy, then to live to be 100 and eat stuff that seems more like bitter herbal medicine than food. I'm not gonna eat junk, but I believe most things are permissible in moderation.

And to clarify, I like meat, but I'm against the cruel treatment of animals. But if I accidentally hit a deer on the road, I'm not gonna let that perfectly good meat go to waste (I won't bother with a squirrel, rabbit, raccoon, or possum though...I do have my standards haha).
Pigs are equal or more intelligent than dogs. Does that pass your standards or nah?

I didn't become vegan for health reasons, but I know it's perfectly safe. There were poorly informed people in the 70s and early 80s who became vegan for ethical reasons without understanding nutrition and some of them are alive and well, and some did extreme things like "raw" and developed nerve damage - however, it was due to their ignorance, their counterparts who are old and wise are the ones who experimented on themselves and gave us the vast stores of knowledge we have on nutrition today.

I have been vegan for almost 4 years and my doctor says my bloodwork shows the health of a person half my age (someone of about 17) ....I have never had a deficiency, and I know people who have been vegan much longer than myself that actually overcame diet-related health problems with a balanced vegan diet.

Every single nutrient can be obtained naturally and easily in almost any culture in the world (with the exception of the poorest people in developing countries and the "street homeless" living in 7-11 lined concrete jungles) with a balanced vegan diet. There are vegans in India, in Israel, in France, in the UK and America. The only supplement a well-nourished vegan has to take is B12.

But allow me to let you in on a little secret about B12 - the vast majority of cobalt mining is being spent on cattle and hog stocks, not on vegans or vegetarians. Yes, your "meat" was given a B12 supplement too - this is a soil nutrient problem due to poor agricultural practices, not a "vegan problem." B12 is being fed to livestock, and Westerners all walking around smug like "I don't take any supplements." Actually, Chad and Debbie, you do.

Animal agriculture is also equally as damaging to climate change as fossil fuels...as well as to the environment in terms of water/air pollution, land waste, and deforestation. Vegans are actually usually extremely educated or bright people, with a few soft-hearted, irrational outliers these days. We're the next phase of social evolution.
 
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As a young-ish "junkfood vegan" I can safely say I DON'T pay attention to the nutritional side of things hahaha! Thanks for sharing your research. I think vegans typically supplement with vitamin pills, fortified foods and the like... some vegans like myself consider eating bivalves (mussels, oysters) to be ethical (they have no brain or capacity to feel pain) and for the health-conscious this is great as they provide many nutrients vegans may lack.

And now ..... introducing ..... the next paragraph! :smilet-digitalpoint:smilewoot: most people I know went plant-based for animal rights and environmental reasons. I have only met a handful of vegans who choose it for nutritional reasons. When you have a passion for those causes, you find a way to make it work. As mentioned, many vegans go on to live long, healthy lives but I do believe that everybody is different, and there may be cases when people really do need the meat of sentient animals for some reason to avoid serious health problems.

For me the life of an animal is very important and I don't like thinking about ending a sentient animal's life to meet a small nutritional need, especially if I can meet that another way. I would not like to be eaten by an alien simply because my body can provide them some nutrition :spacecraft-1: Maybe it's my bias but I do like to think that as the world gradually comes to terms with the scale of animal suffering in the meat industry, more solutions will naturally arise to meet any health needs.
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There's no evidence that anyone, anywhere "needs" to eat meat. There are people living in scenarios where they are so poor in terms of calories or are live without B12 supplements they may need to drink milk or eat cheese (this is especially helpful for the homeless in an industrialized culture with a surplus of dairy, or for people living in a developing country where their family may have a few goats or a cow to help them survive)...white people saying they "need" meat because their ancestors are from Poland are just people making excuses for their lazy, self-absorbed life choices. They might as well say they need to eat for their blood type, that's about how much scientific merit there is to a person in a first world country with supermarkets and abundances of food saying they "need" flesh to live. We're all well over 99 percent related. I have never read any health articles claiming meat is vital to curing genetic diseases like Tay-Sachs.

Our bodies are actually poorly designed for digesting meat, carnivores have stomach acid that is much lower in pH and a shorter digestive tract. We can technically survive by eating other animals, just like we can technically survive off of Oreos and Sour Patch Kids, it doesn't mean it's necessary for our survival or an ideal part of our diet.


I can pretty much guarantee you that more people on low-carb, high protein diets will be hospitalized in their lifetimes than vegans. Current research mainly points to plant-based diets being safe, as long as they're balanced, and points to high-protein diets causing more health problems in the long term. People who push low-carb in the media have heart attacks all of the time - meanwhile every plant-based doctor I know is fine.

Do some research on T. Colin Campbell, Dr. Neil Barnard, Michael Greger, John McDougall, and Milton Mills.
 
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"As far as you know" doesn't mean much of anything. "As far as you know" the Earth may be flat, but that doesn't make the Earth any less round.

Jain culture extends back centuries and these people are considered the first vegan culture that still exists (though others may have existed and blended into either Jain or Buddhist culture).

Since the 1940s, in the West, children have safely been raised vegan. There have been vegans in the 7th Day Adventist Church and in the UK's Vegan Society long before hippies and activists caught on in the 70's and 80s.

There are old people walking around who have been vegan since before they were conceived. The fact that most Westerners maintain willful ignorance about vegan nutrition says a lot about the influence of the meat and dairy industries on your TV soaked brains.

Western children have epidemic obesity, as well as an epidemic of having "middle aged diseases" like heart disease and diabetes now in droves. Meanwhile, people are still very concerned about that one kid in France ten years ago who died because his parents fed him soy milk in infancy instead of breast milk. It's borderline comedy.
Vegan diets are dangerous for growing children and pregnant women--that much I do know. I'm not entirely sure if it's possible to get all necessary nutrients as a grown adult, but I do know that it would be difficult. If you want to/need to do a vegan diet for whatever reason, I trust you're able to responsibly make that decision yourself and have done your research. I didn't intent to criticize your decision to be vegan, rather I merely meant to voice my doubts as an outsider about it.
 

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Whoa, whoa, whoa! I'm sorry, I wasn't trying to offend anyone. I was just trying to make a lighthearted joke. I have no problem with people who choose to be vegetarian or vegan. I'm not personally a vegan or vegetarian, but my joke was intended to be nonjudgmental and focused on myself. I don't care what other people eat, as long as it ain't human meat (boo cannibalism).

And I'll take my chances eating bacon. If it shortens my lifespan, no worries. I don't eat it every day or anything either.

I generally want to be healthy, but to a point. A relative of mine is so health-concious that she sacrifices flavor in her food to the point that it doesn't taste good (or even kinda good). I'd rather die 10 years sooner and enjoy what I eat, staying moderately healthy, then to live to be 100 and eat stuff that seems more like bitter herbal medicine than food. I'm not gonna eat junk, but I believe most things are permissible in moderation.

And to clarify, I like meat, but I'm against the cruel treatment of animals. But if I accidentally hit a deer on the road, I'm not gonna let that perfectly good meat go to waste (I won't bother with a squirrel, rabbit, raccoon, or possum though...I do have my standards haha).
Most 'Real Food' (minimal to no processing) is bitter to the palate of a lot of people. Perhaps even the majority of Americans, as it's a fact that the majority of food to be found in a grocery has added sugars.

When one purges their palate of artificial sweets by consuming absolutely none of it for a while, everything else and even the fake sweets begin to taste better. A soda is nearly nauseatingly sweet and simple salad base has a sweet tinge to it, one now able to taste the ever so subtle glucose resulting from the greens' photosynthesis.

Not that I'm vegan or even vegetarian. Rather, your relative enjoys the food she does because she actually does really enjoy its taste - and it's likely that you're simply not accustomed to something so pure.
 
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Jain culture extends back centuries and these people are considered the first vegan culture that still exists (though others may have existed and blended into either Jain or Buddhist culture).
Most Jains practice lacto-vegetarianism, not veganism. This ensures they still get calcium and animal fat which contains assorted vitamins and minerals.

Didn't bother to watch the flaky clips but the reference to soy being a problem, even though studies have debunked the weird conventional wisdumb that it 'feminizes' males, points to serious bias from the OP.

IMO, the problem with vegetarianism and veganism would be people who don't understand how to be healthy vegetarians and vegans because they can't be bothered to learn about the human body and its nutritional needs. That said, I'm not convinced that everyone has the genetic ecosystem to handle it.
 

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Vegan diets are dangerous for growing children and pregnant women--that much I do know. I'm not entirely sure if it's possible to get all necessary nutrients as a grown adult, but I do know that it would be difficult. If you want to/need to do a vegan diet for whatever reason, I trust you're able to responsibly make that decision yourself and have done your research. I didn't intent to criticize your decision to be vegan, rather I merely meant to voice my doubts as an outsider about it.
I'm so thrilled you're such an expert! Where did you get your degree in nutrition. Yee-Haw Bob's South Carolina School of Hog Farming? Or are you the more refined sort, someone from SoCal who saw Paleo on the television?

Unfortunately for you, brighter minds and more prestigious organizations educate about and validate plant-based diets. The World Health Organization approves vegan diets for growing children and pregnant women, so you don't know anything.

Have you ever dreamed of going to an Ivy League school? Because now you can afford to get your head out of your ass at prestigious Cornell University for less than $1300!

Plant-Based Nutrition Certificate program:

https://www.ecornell.com/certificates/plant-based-nutrition/plant-based-nutrition/
 

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Most Jains practice lacto-vegetarianism, not veganism. This ensures they still get calcium and animal fat which contains assorted vitamins and minerals.

Didn't bother to watch the flaky clips but the reference to soy being a problem, even though studies have debunked the weird conventional wisdumb that it 'feminizes' males, points to serious bias from the OP.

IMO, the problem with vegetarianism and veganism would be people who don't understand how to be healthy vegetarians and vegans because they can't be bothered to learn about the human body and its nutritional needs. That said, I'm not convinced that everyone has the genetic ecosystem to handle it.
Actually strict vegetarianism and what essentially amounts to being vegan appears both in Jain culture and in ancient China in Buddhist and Taoist traditions, though Jainism is millions of years old, probably the world's oldest, still running, organized religion, so it's easier just to say "Jains." Besides, although many modern Jains in India are lacto-vegetarians, Jains who move to the West have such a serious problem with the way dairy is procured here (because in Jainism cows must be cared for and loved, be allowed to give their milk to their calves, live out a normal healthy life, and not be murdered for meat or leather) that most Jains who leave India become what we now call "vegans." But something has existed in their culture from ancient times that wasn't called "veganism" that is essentially veganism (actually stricter, because they also won't consume fermented foods and root veggies in some cases).

Historically speaking, veganism makes an appearance in Israeli/Jewish culture too, because in the Creation story, Adam and Eve are obviously vegan. The world vegan was coined in the English speaking world in 1944, but India had an organization similar to the Vegan Society beginning in the 1920s, and we really can't take credit as Westerners for inventing the idea (and it's a bad idea to do so anyway, because it deludes present-day Westerners into the idea that there's something horribly unnatural and painfully difficult about veganism that never existed before 1980 - I've actually encountered idiots who didn't think vegans existed until the 21st century).

So that's where I was going with that, I concede your point, but maintain my own, with explanation.

Yes, the biggest hurdle to vegan nutrition is culture and education. For example if someone doesn't know how to feed themselves properly then of course they'll starve or have deficiencies. The barriers to that though have nothing to do with the wholesomeness of plant-based diets in and of themselves. We also have a hard time teaching children from Arkansas evolution, and adults from Alabama about climate change, but that doesn't make those concepts any less valid. Veganism is similar.
 
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