[Sequestrum]

I think so but my opinion probably is not worth crap to anyone except for the very few people who happen to be seeing me as shiny at the time. This is selfish of me though, to want recogntion. I should give selflessly and secretly forever and want not, being happy when someone is nice to me and when I see my results and leave it at that.

Rant over

Getting hold of this critical parent Fi thing and Se aspiration thing is proving to be quite the challenge. Idk maybe this has something to do with being an enneagram heart main and sx, if I am indeed 4w3 sx...

You're opinion is appreciated!

I can understand your frustrations with Fi as well, I have quite a few of my own too. :/

 

[Eric B]

I only emphasized Te because this thread is about Te. I'm pretty sure my dominant function is Ni or Ne, but I don't trust the test to tell me that. Also in terms of directing/informing, my natural inclination is to direct, though I can consciously switch if need be.

Thanks for your response.

Directing and informing are not 100% literal. Accordng to Keirsey, it's about who "defines the relationship" (directing = task-focused = you define the relationship with thers; informing = people-focus = you let the others define the relationship).
It also so happens that Ni preferrers are always directive types, and Ne preferrers are always informative. Ne is "light and airy", while directiveness, you can think of, as more "dry" (and "dry" was Galen's original pole for the humor temperaments).

With some people it clearly stands out, but with you, from what I see, it could go either way (and the Keirseyan temperament has its own "people/task" scale, called "structure/motive", which will affect the behavior as well, so has to be taken into account). But it does appear to be leaning toward directive, and that would suggest NTJ.

 

[JungyesMBTIno]

I suppose the simple answer to this is misconceptions, bias and stereotypes.

Of course there may be some truth in there as well. Jung essentially points out that the extroverted thinking type creates formula's, or systems, based in the truths of objective reality, if someone goes against this formula

The thing is that Te users are all about fairness, they subordinate others as they subordinate themselves, if they are less than perfect then this is a fault within them and not with the formula.

This is actually what a great deal of modern societal systems are based on, the formulations of Te. Especially those that govern law, because the law must apply to all in the same way or else be rendered mute. In other words no one can be above the law or else the law falls apart and so too must society. There are subjectivities here which might make such a statement appear to be wrong, but Jung explains it as being objective evaluations of subjective situations.

Where this becomes a problem is if an unhealthy Te user supresses their feeling too much and it comes out in an unconscious manner. If this happens then we end up with an individual who no longer separates him or herself from the formula, instead he/she becomes the formula, 'my word is law because I say so'.

As Jung writes:

Interestingly many of the traits people often attribute to dominant Fe users who are unhealthy, Jung actually attributes to unhealthy Te users.



Also from the same section:

and



I actually find it fascinating just how different his descriptions of the functional types are from some of the accepted stereotypes on boards like these.

As on as Jung's observations about Te at work are (really! best ever!), I find it interesting from these descriptions which I've never read before that he still doesn't quite "hit" the role of Fi behind Te. He's great at alluding to it, but he can never quite actually describe the true nature of Fi, no matter what. I think it tells me how much of a Ti dom he probably really was (Ti doms don't "get" Fi of all of the functions).

 

[Dark NiTe]

Wouldn't part of the douchebaggery of Te be the idiosyncratic values Fi has? Making them especially clash with Fe users?

 

[ENTJam]

I think so but my opinion probably is not worth crap to anyone except for the very few people who happen to be seeing me as shiny at the time. This is selfish of me though, to want recogntion. I should give selflessly and secretly forever and want not, being happy when someone is nice to me and when I see my results and leave it at that.

You did describe me... ENTJ 1w2 sx/sp here...

 

[googoodoll]

I happen to know one of each, an ESTJ that does fit the profile of Te's intimidation but the ENTJ, it's laughable to call him 'intimidating' (i almost assumed he was an INTJ because of this.) mabye intellectually but that's all and he listens to sappy music yet disses the likes of Bruno Mars calling him 'whiney' yet he listens to his whiniest song ever (secretly mind you) - grenade, so it's really hard to take him seriously...

 

[Swordsman of Mana]

Why does Te have such a bad rap? Most ENTJs and ESTJs I know are extremely caring people who do a lot of helpful things for me. They use Te in a very feeling oriented kind of way and it makes these negative stereotypes about Te doms seem crazy. What's that about?

good question. I quite like Te tbh (after Fi, it's my favorite function)

 

[Bahburah]

Because it's so take charge?

 

[Sixty Nein]

They just view Te as a function that bosses use or some other sort of generic authority figure. It's not exactly wrong but eh. It's also associated with capitalism, so communistic aligned peoples will generally adapt the attitude that it can only be applied to capitalism. This of course is false, considering there are pragmatic reasons one can be a socialist or a communist. IE that taxing the rich would mean so that they don't hoard money and they could use the money to I don't know actually help run the damn country or whatever.

I honestly contrived of an issue with it because I thought they were overly empirical, and unable to bind or change but I was actually griping about some sort of wankery of a different kind.

 

[LostFavor]

Why is Te the douche bag function?

Because people are conflating brain processes with surface traits that get developed through factors such as upbringing, environment, and genes.

i.e. I used to know a really fucked ESTJ (only ESTJ I've known), so now I have this stupid entry in my brain that says, "ESTJs are fucked individuals," even though I know it's nonsense.

People with similar experiences to my own don't notice the non-fucked ESTJs and like types as often, cause they're looking for fucked individuals, not healthy people with that personality type; they're looking for stereotypes (yay confirmation bias).

 

[Grandmaster Yoda]

Because people don't like extroverted judging functions.
Te=douchebag
Fe=sheep
I think people should learn to appreciate what each has to offer instead instilling their own opinion over it.

 

[surgery]

Before learning about the MBTI/Jungian theory, I sort of…felt the influence of Te in the world, whether it was from an ETJ themselves or just part of the culture/environment (school, work, etc). I had to reflect a lot on "the meaning of life" and think deeply about why people have to act so rigidly. To me, the "fact" that Te exists or that these qualities exist means something about reality. So, in order to be a good/ethical person, it's seem mandatory that I accept the validity of Extraverted Thinking. Like, you can't get rid of it, even though it's unpleasant. Idk…but awareness of Te caused sort of an existential crisis in me…when I had to sort of internalize/accept that the world can't really operate on principle of kindness, or love or compassion. And I know people hate when INFPs are stereotyped as "lovey-dovey" idealist, but my early life experience was really like that.

Now, after all that reflection and my knowledge of type, I've been able to except this concept of Te (in many different…manifestations) as an essential and inseparable part of the human conditions. I have more patience/respect for it in others, even though Te types still make me rather uncomfortable.

Like I said, I'm an INFP, but today I actually sort of yelled at someone at work She was just standing around annoying another co-worker as I was all like, "Could you maybe do something productive?" It came out of my mouth without me even thinking about. Then again, is this really inferior Te, or is just me getting angry? Later, I ended up actually cursing at her when she kept questioning my judgment about a very small task…Like she was just being intentionally annoying even though there was a long line of customers who needed attending to. Before I knew it I dropped the F-bomb on her :x I shocked myself and her, but it actually got the job done. She immediately went and did as I asked.

So, it seems like the only times I "use" Te are when I'm really angry or when I am in pain or afraid of something. When I need to defend a belief or thought position that I am actually deeply insecure about, then I can feel myself becoming very dogmatic and argumentative But, then again, maybe that's not Te because it doesn't relate to efficiency, just "correctness." It feels like a very harsh judgment about how something is supposed to be, but at the same time it comes from a very personal place.

 

[KraChZiMan]

Why does Te have such a bad rap? Most ENTJs and ESTJs I know are extremely caring people who do a lot of helpful things for me. They use Te in a very feeling oriented kind of way and it makes these negative stereotypes about Te doms seem crazy. What's that about?

Please do not mind the people who give bad rep, or naive definitions for certain cognitive functions. These people do not deserve to breathe the same air with the rest of the people who attempt to view cognitive functions from a more objective perspective and should choke to death on their giant ignorance, when it comes to psychology.

 

[Pelopra]

"caring" and "direct/blunt" are not mutually exclusive features.
often the direct bluntness of a Te-user is a manifestation of their caring. yeah, in work they might be calling you on your BS for the company's sake. but in a friendship, they can be doing it for your sake. (or even not in a friendship, the point is, Te can lose patience with someone harming themselves in part out of caring. http://www.radiolab.org/story/lu-vs-soo/ continues to be an excellent contrast in Te vs Fe)

actually, i realized this in a different, non-mbti context.
there are people who are very kind, but not nice.
tender, loving, and a bit abrasive.
Will take care of you, but not specifically your feelings...

retrospectively, they were/are all TeFi types... (not that all TeFi types are like what I just described, however.)

 

[Valtire]

ESFJ: We can't tell him because it will hurt his feelings.
INTJ: We must tell him because otherwise it will humiliate him later!

These two are caring for the same person in two very different ways.

 

[Eric B]

Yes, and the first way is a more direct (preferred and extraverted) way, and the second way is a more universalistic (introverted) less upfront (nonpreferred) way.

That's why Te types may seem to care less than F types, but it can't be generalized into them never caring.