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Seriously, if a guy is hot and/or I like him, then of course I want him to do those things to me sometimes, but if a guy just wants to do those things to me, it's for his own selfish reasons. He's not being GIVING. It's creepy, it's like a guy walking up to me and saying "Can I have a bite of your candy bar?"

No, creepy guy, get away from my candy.
 

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Seriously, if a guy is hot and/or I like him, then of course I want him to do those things to me sometimes, but if a guy just wants to do those things to me, it's for his own selfish reasons. He's not being GIVING. It's creepy, it's like a guy walking up to me and saying "Can I have a bite of your candy bar?"

No, creepy guy, get away from my candy.
Ok.... I will agree with you, but only because I think that truly selfless acts are extremely rare. Everyone really only does something to get something in return....even if that something is in the form of good karma...

However, from the standpoint of being a man that likes nothing better in life than to make a woman scream in ecstasy by going down on her, I can almost certainly say that you're crazy (ha ha.. lighthearted post) and your metaphor makes no sense.

Your "candy bar" is there for your pleasure... not mine. My pleasure comes from you yelling at the top of your lungs for me not to stop, clenching every muscle in your body and squeezing my head between your legs so hard that I can't breathe.....yes, it makes me hard as chinese math, so I guess, by your definition, it is somewhat selfish because I do receive pleasure from it. However my pleasure comes from giving you pleasure. Not because I get to "share in the eating of your candy bar (orgasm)"
 

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Ok.... I will agree with you, but only because I think that truly selfless acts are extremely rare. Everyone really only does something to get something in return....even if that something is in the form of good karma...

However, from the standpoint of being a man that likes nothing better in life than to make a woman scream in ecstasy by going down on her, I can almost certainly say that you're crazy (ha ha.. lighthearted post) and your metaphor makes no sense.
No, I'm not crazy. I don't want some slobbery fat old guy going down on me because it boosts his ego to think of me screaming in ecstasy because of him.

I see it as a power trip, and a cheap way of trying to sleaze your way into an "in" with a woman who you know isn't attracted to you, or doesn't love you.

Being a "ladies man" isn't called that for no reason at all; the term actually originally referred to someone who was good at seducing women, not just a man who slept around, but someone who claimed he enjoyed giving women pleasure, etc. so forth.

It's an ego trip. It's not sexy for me to think about a man doing that to me if I'm not attracted to him.

I'm not like a guy, or I should say like SOME guys; I think some guys live in this porn world where they don't care who gives them a blow job, and they're thrilled that any woman claims she wants to suck their dick.

I'm asserting that this isn't an automatic turn on for me, and I'm sure other women will agree, though some might like the idea, I doubt they're the majority.

Your "candy bar" is there for your pleasure... not mine. My pleasure comes from you yelling at the top of your lungs for me not to stop, clenching every muscle in your body and squeezing my head between your legs so hard that I can't breathe.....yes, it makes me hard as chinese math, so I guess, by your definition, it is somewhat selfish because I do receive pleasure from it. However my pleasure comes from giving you pleasure. Not because I get to "share in the eating of your candy bar (orgasm)"
Your pleasure comes from going down on a girl you think is hot and getting an ego boost from thinking you're the one getting the hot girl off; the smell of her pheromones and so forth probably also have something to do with why it makes you hard.

I am unimpressed with your essay.
 

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Before I had a child (and breastfed), my nipples were incredibly sensitive. So I loved guys playing with my boobs, and I still think that nipples are funny.

Being obsessed with breasts seems pretty stupid to me, though. Milk ducts and fat deposits? Really? I don't buy into the evo-psych excuses, since breast size has nothing to do with fertility or milk-production capabilities. And I don't understand the insistence that it's simply biological, especially when the cultural bias is so noticeable (e.g., American and Western European men). So there's a large social/psychological component to the breast obsession ... why not just be honest about it?

But I admit that I lose respect for men who are controlled by something so silly, and I don't like that women are valued (or devalued) based on those two lumps.

I agree and disagree. Breasts are the single most visible (usually) defining difference between girls and women and men and women, (outside of genitalia itself). The sight of them may, subconsciously, confirm the subject of desire is female and, therefor, fertile.

I am certainly not controlled by them. In my more immature days, I was more drawn to women with larger breasts...now, I notice much less the size and more whether they at least exist on the woman of interest. They are also an area that typically causes arousal for women which makes them even more desirable to men. I find them attractive, in all shapes and sizes, but, I am certainly not obsessed. And, when a women wears tops that are obviously designed to "put her BREASTS OUT THERE", I find it unattractive now. That wasn't the case in my early 20's but, I just find it...tacky, I guess.

Fact is though...big breasts, small breasts....doesn't matter. It comes down to personality combined with physical attraction. Both are necessary to remain attracted to an SO...Be it sexual or emotional attraction. I don't think most mature men are as obsessed as women may think.

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Well now I feel weird for not having an obsession with breasts...they do have aesthetic value, but I'm not sure it warrants obsession necessarily. I do find it unfortunate that most women I have encountered get little to no stimulation via breast (or maybe I'm just doing it wrong).

I think their existence makes a clothed female's body look more attractive, but I'll be perfectly honest and say I am not super obsessed with how they look naked. But that may branch from what I consider rationally beautiful and what I preceive as sexually beautiful. Sexually, boobs and vagina are considered the top tier in terms of appearance internally (or should be). Rationally....they just look weird. I find modern architecture a bit more appealing (in a non-sexual way of course...now that would be weird).
 

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Side note on nipples: genetically speaking, the female is the "default" body type and the male is a "modified" version for sexual reproduction... short answer: men have nipples because women have nipples, and there's no biological benefit in going through the trouble of getting rid of them. Whereas there's tremendous benefit in redesigning the clitoris/vagina/ovaries into a penis/testicles/etc.

Second side note: all guys have a "seam" where their vagina would have been if they were a girl. It's pretty easy to spot.

Oh, and boobs. I have fairly large ones, and not so much in the way of nerve endings. If he enjoys them, I like that. They can handle some rough fooling around, even...
 

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Side note on nipples: genetically speaking, the female is the "default" body type and the male is a "modified" version for sexual reproduction... short answer: men have nipples because women have nipples, and there's no biological benefit in going through the trouble of getting rid of them. Whereas there's tremendous benefit in redesigning the clitoris/vagina/ovaries into a penis/testicles/etc.

Second side note: all guys have a "seam" where their vagina would have been if they were a girl. It's pretty easy to spot.
Taking all the fun out of it.
 

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I am more interested by what I haven't got than what I have. My "willie" obsession lasted those few years of puberty, and it led me to find everything about women, their shape, mind, eyes, boobs...really the "whole package," absolutely fascinating.

A woman's breasts are sort of a bonus in my mind. They may grab my attention, but in order to keep it, she had better have something else going on.
 
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Mine are disproportionally large and given that I have to lug them around all day, every day, it's nice when someone I love appreciates them. I don't get much out of sucking, biting etc. I much prefer having them kissed and jiggled a bit.

Attention from non-intimates can be hit or miss. I don't mind when they're noticed, but can't stand when people comment to try to embarrass me or when people I don't know start talking all sexual.
 

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I'd react negatively to a man who had an obsession with a body part in general.
:unsure: But, but, but... Brains are just so... Fascinating. :tongue:



[EDIT] Okay, I must confess... I've been accused of having an obsession with spleens. They are just so much fun to talk about. Someone will be like "Hey bro, are you alright?", and if someone replies "I'm experiencing spleenal hemorrhaging!", you can't help but giggle a bit.
Oh yeah, and I also make kidney jokes..
 

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Mine are disproportionally large and given that I have to lug them around all day, every day, it's nice when someone I love appreciates them.
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Right, because while I'm down there there's nothing else I could be looking at... :tongue:
I would hope you were more focused on enjoying yourself, not comparing and contrasting our anatomies.
 

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I agree and disagree. Breasts are the single most visible (usually) defining difference between girls and women and men and women, (outside of genitalia itself). The sight of them may, subconsciously, confirm the subject of desire is female and, therefor, fertile.

I am certainly not controlled by them. In my more immature days, I was more drawn to women with larger breasts...now, I notice much less the size and more whether they at least exist on the woman of interest. They are also an area that typically causes arousal for women which makes them even more desirable to men. I find them attractive, in all shapes and sizes, but, I am certainly not obsessed. And, when a women wears tops that are obviously designed to "put her BREASTS OUT THERE", I find it unattractive now. That wasn't the case in my early 20's but, I just find it...tacky, I guess.

Fact is though...big breasts, small breasts....doesn't matter. It comes down to personality combined with physical attraction. Both are necessary to remain attracted to an SO...Be it sexual or emotional attraction. I don't think most mature men are as obsessed as women may think.

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The redheaded actress from madmen - she wears very low-cut tops because they are more flattering with her naturally large breasts. Basically, if you have a triple-d or whatever she is (thats my guess from photos), covering it all completely up is going to make you look like you weigh 10-15 lbs more than you do. Leaving the cleavage uncovered makes everything look more balanced and you can see whats going on there, that its breast and not just a big lump of body. I don't think they do it to be provocative necessarily, and I understand what you're saying about not being as drawn to it now that you aren't a 20 yr old anymore. I mean when you have seen breasts or whatever body part for so long, it loses its mystical appeal.

I think that very point ties into why sexuality is so immature in this culture. Theres this mystification/demysticifation issue, where we live in a culture first founded on weird puritan ethics, and then out of all the repression, people go nuts about sexuality and want to beat it down from the sacred, making it completely profane. If you look at cultures where naked bodies aren't seen as these naughty things, you don't see everyone losing control when a breast is flashed. Its.. so what. To take that even further, in tribes where everyone goes topless, seeing the female's breasts themselves don't actually cause sexual arousal in the tribesmen. Breast-fetish is a fetish like any other -- it isn't merely some biological trigger to make a woody pop up, its learned.

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From what I've heard, men who haven't been breastfed tend to be more into boobs. My experiences align with this. Whether or not it's really true, I've no idea, but it's fun to think about.

I don't mind a guy being into my chest. It's flattering, but when he only stares at / talks to my chest, I get annoyed. I've a face and a personality, too -__-;
 

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I am pretty sure women are more obsessed with their breasts than men are..
Men are too busy busy being obsessed over their willies.
Yeah...I've lost count of the number of straight guys I've talked to who like sucking men off, but otherwise aren't attracted to them at all...

I might be the odd one out here, but genitals in general I find weird. They actually turn me off somewhat (ironically...)

Some woman once made a post that made me spew on my monitor.... I think she said something along the lines of "Male nipples.... what the fuck are they [used] for?"
Hey, they have a use - they feel great when your partner nibbles on them. :wink: It feels more powerful than most of my orgasms to be honest, but that might be because I'm circumcized...

I also have to second (or third, or fourth, or whatever) the base of the neck (especially for the recieving partner :wink:)
 
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