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0. Is there anything that may affect the way you answer the questions? For example, a stressful time, mental illness, medications, special life circumstances? Other useful information includes sex, age, and current state of mind.

Male 32. Only special thing going on that probably won’t impact this is that I should be working so feeling a bit guilty.

A few other things. I don’t want to be too leading, but for various reasons I believe I am one of the following: intp, entp, infp, infj. I am open to others, but would be surprised.

I have been learning about the functions. I do not think that I have Se in my top 3 functions. I took an Si vs. Se test and got Si over Se for every question.

Originally I thought I had Ni, but I have come to believe that perhaps Ne-Ti or Ti-Ne could replicate the speculative deductiveness of Ni.

I would guess I have the Ti-Fe axis rather than the Te-Fi. I am completely unsure of the order here though.

I have a lot of the problems of the stereotypical ENTP. Bouncing around from idea to idea. Big picture thinker…try to be logical but can never quite get closure, etc.

I am much more interested in philosophy, psychology, the social sciences then I am the hard sciences with the exception of physics. I don’t have the math skills to understand everything that is going on but I am very much enthralled by gravity, quantum mechanics, theory of everything talk, are we living in a simulation, etc.

When I take the tests I almost always get INFP. I am open to this possibility. I will just say the whole individualism/self-expression everyone be true to yourself thing is not something that really encapsulates my values.

1. Click on this link: Flickr: Explore! Look at the random photo for about 30 seconds. Copy and paste it here, and write about your impression of it.

The first thing I noticed was that both sides of the cave look like a man’s profile. One on the left reminds me of Vladimir Lenin (probably because of the pointy beard). One on the left isn’t as well defined but reminds me of a fat man with a moustache (Hitchcock or Taft)

My second thought is that this is a place I would love to be. I’m attracted to green outdoor rustic settings (as long as it looks like the temp is moderate). Forests, green mountiains, etc. It looks like it might be in Scotland or Ireland given the look of the vegetation and ruggedness of the landscape. I‘ve never been to either of those places but would really like to as I like travel and particularly travel to Europe.

I finally noticed the man in the bottomish right who looks happy. He must be glad he made it to that spot. I guess that should be inspirational or I should be happy for him, etc…meh. If I were there I probably wouldn’t be raising my arms in triumph but just trying to remember it all/soak it all in.
That’s about it but super appealing picture.

2. You are with a group of people in a car, heading to a different town to see your favourite band/artist/musician. Suddenly, the car breaks down for an unknown reason in the middle of nowhere. What are your initial thoughts? What are your outward reactions?

We’re going to see the Avett Brothers. Awesome! ... My initial thoughts are that I am now somewhat worried we won’t make it. Also if the reason the car broke down is not obvious then I am not going to be the one to figure out what that problem is. I have worked on a few cars/tractors in my day but usually with someone else and have an awful memory as it relates to mechanical things and how-to.

My inward reaction would be bummed out a bit, but I wouldn’t be outwardly upset. In fact I wouldn’t be that inwardly upset either. I usually just roll with the punches on this type of deal. Later I’d be checking the setlist to see what I miss. The Avett Brothers have a very deep catalog if I miss something that they rarely play live, I’d be more upset about the situation. They better not play November Blue!

3. You somehow make it to the concert. The driver wants to go to the afterparty that was announced (and assure you they won't drink so they can drive back later). How do you feel about this party? What do you do?

Don’t like it. Don’t wanna go. Hate socializing with strangers. Hate small talk. I very much worry about and care what others (especially new acquaintances and relative strangers) are thinking about me and trying to make sure I come off as confident/competent (I know, sad)

Only redeeming aspect is that we can talk about the awesomeness of the Avett Bros and I can wax poetic about how Scott Avett is a Top 5 all time songwriter. Doubt I will feel comfortable enough to do that though (yeah, more sad)

Also, I am thinking I will probably be annoyed because most the other fans will be talking about “Ain’t No Man” (although I do realize that taste is subjective…but c’mon) and how good looking the brothers are and those are the absolute two worst reasons to be an Avett Bros fan.

Not really worried about the driver’s sobriety. If he/she drinks, I’ll make sure I don’t. Not much of a drinker anyway.

4. On the drive back, your friends are talking. A friend makes a claim that clashes with your current beliefs. What is your inward reaction? What do you outwardly say?

I can be somewhat reactive and pretty argumentative so I will likely speak up. I will be nice about it because I don’t want there to be any anger involved (on either side) and I will want the person to still like me/ think I’m cool or whatever… but after demonstrating to that person how I definitely understand their point of view (I usually do) I will tell the person why they are wrong and why I think what I think.

5. What would you do if you actually saw/experienced something that clashes with your previous beliefs, experiences, and habits?

Depends on what it was. I would try to understand it if it was important.

If it wasn’t important (eating ketchup on a hotdog or something) I would just make fun of the person. Hopefully he/she would see that I didn’t really care about the thing.

If it was something that was a more important (for instance veganism or gun rights or how Islam treats women or why Catholics venerate Mary, etc.), I would try to listen to other’s viewpoint and evaluate whether there is anything to what they say and whether I am wrong for thinking it is ok to kill and eat animals, etc. In general I do not take a tribalistic view towards others. I have too many experiences with good people of all stripes to do so.

6. What are some of your most important values? How did you come about determining them? How can they change?

I am a Christian. I was raised in the evangelical tradition though have since steered away from some of the dogma concerning things like the infallibility of scripture, the idea of your eternal destiny being decided about one emotional experience/decision, and eternal conscious torment, etc. I’m also horribly appalled/embarrassed by the reflexive embracing of Trump etc. But beliefs-wise, I am still mostly in that camp. I am a creedal-Christian. I still think Jesus is very important and I get most of my values by looking at how he lived and what he said. (I believe the basics of what the 4 gospels say about Jesus are true.)

The main message I get from Jesus in terms of how we should live (which was his main point after all) is that human beings are to love each other sacrificially. I have thought a lot about the problem of evil/pain and how these things can be if God is love/good. I have come to the tentative conclusion that a good explanation is that God values self-sacrificial love more than he hates the bad things that can happen to humans and the bad things that we can do to one another, then that’s why he created a world that was prone to so many problems.

If bad things couldn’t happen in this world, then there would be no places for self-sacrificial love to shine through. I mean he subjected his own son to the worst of the world because he thought there was something that he could do that was much more valuable than his son’s present happiness/comfort. I suspect that he expects that we not think our own lives are too important then that we are not willing to sacrifice them for others.

As long as this law of love is what people are striving for, I tend to be pretty pragmatic on a lot of other things. If love is our aim then most things will fall into place.

7. a) What about your personality most distinguishes you from everyone else? b) If you could change one thing about you personality, what would it be? Why?

I’m pretty smart. I was valedictorian in HS. I made in the 97th percentile on the GRE and 99th on the GMAT. I am good with logic and deduction. I have a PhD (although I will say that my test scores suggest that I am a little smarter than I actually think I am). I am good at spotting a hole in an argument. I like to argue as long as everyone is in a good mood about it.

I tend to be open and see issues from all sides. I tend to be slow to form a judgement. (not trying to lead you all down a road here, but I am pretty sure that I am moreso this than most people)

I am very competitive in areas where I think I can/should excel. I like games that reward logic/efficiency (Chess, Risk, Spades) and tend to care a lot about winning. In areas where I’m not so good. Anything that involves striking a ball –and I do like sports (golf, tennis, baseball, softball), I’m not so competitive. I guess my will to win has been beaten out of me in those things : )

b.) I have several. In fact they are what is motivating me (other than curiosity) to do this. In order of how much I care about them.

1. Social awkwardness and anxiety around people who I am not close to. I hate meeting new people. I hate making small talk with relative strangers. I get shy and self-concious. I just have a hard time making light cheery conversation. I am bad at eye-contact when I am the one that is talking. I have some trouble pulling words out of my head in the right order at times, and I know I look uncomfortable as all get out. I am way too hung up on what others think of me. It’s just … a problem.

2. I am unfocused. I have a hard time staying on task at work and efficiently getting my work done. I tend to be very undisciplined. I do usually get things done on time but quality suffers somewhat from what it could have been.

3. I am relatively bad at controlling negative emotions. I am irritable. I get nervous too easily. I am not even-keeled at all.

4. My memory is awful. I do not note or remember the details of life. I have replied to the same email to the same person in the span of 3 minutes. I often circle the block to make sure I put the garage door down. I am about 50/50.

5. I am highly unorganized. My work space is messy. If it weren’t for my sensing wife (yes, I think I’m N) then my home would be a mess. I am forever losing/ misplacing things.
(before anyone asks about ADHD, yes, I have been diagnosed with it but all of the medicine –even the non-stimulants-- keeps me awake at night, which ultimately worsens my symptoms.)

8. How do you treat hunches or gut feelings? In what situations are they most often triggered?

They are not all that common first of all!

But when they occur they are triggered in situations where I have a lot of data and/or past experiences. About once a year—if I have been following the sport closely-- there is a ballgame where I will know what the outcome will be even if the other team is favored or the game is considered a tossup. It will not be for clearly articulable reasons. I will just be able to sense the trajectory of things, etc. I think it comes from a lot of experience in following sports. (That is similar things have lined up the same way in the past, I have observed it.) I am not above wagering on it. The problem is that I have an addictive personality and so when I have a lesser hunch, I might still be willing to bet on the game, and those hunches are pretty 50/50 (or worse). So I have to impose a lot of self-discipline and stay away from such gambling for the most part.

I also have some hunches about people (even people I haven’t met) that turn out to be right. My wife is much more social than I am and she meets people through work or in the neighborhood and tells me about them (conversations etc.) I usually form a pretty accurate opinion of them before my wife does just from what she tells me. She recently took a new job at a Real estate company and has been telling me about the owner. She was a big fan of his and told me about his/the company’s values and just lots of the things that they said at the meetings.

After she told me several anecdotes I began to realize that the guy was just greedy and trying to indoctrinate everyone into the moneymaking (at most costs just like many other businesses) culture of the company. She argued with me. Said how would I know if I wasn’t there. Talked about how she respected him etc. I told her I was probably wrong… however, I was right as she now sees.

9. a) What activities energize you most? b) What activities drain you most? Why?

a) Social situations where I know people, they know me, and I can be myself. I find that if there is ever a group experience that is multi-day, I tend to get comfortable and less guarded and can really be myself and joke with and bond with people. If I am with my friends or family, I am one of the most talkative ones. Aside from being in love (which is also social I guess but pretty much everybody enjoys that as long as it’s not unrequited), my happiest times in life are primarily social in nature.

b) Around strangers I clam up. Most social situations including at my work (I am a college professor and most of our work is in solitude), range between light to moderate dread. Anything that requires idle chit chat. I am awful at this. I know that I look and sound awful and that people are judging the heck out of me for being a dork. I also have a very hard time putting on a happy face in such situations, and I realize that a good mood is called for. I definitely have some social anxiety problems.

The problem is that it kind of feeds itself, my lack of confidence produces weak social interactions which reinforces that I am not good at them which further lowers my confidence.

10. What do you repress about your outward behavior or internal thought process when around others? Why?

Not sure what this means. Is repression conscious or unconscious? I am certainly a different person around different groups of people. However, I do not do so purposefully. For the most part what you see is what you get, but the environment I am in affects me more than most people. I am kind of an easy person to read. I tend to be expressive. I am not consciously repressing anything, but I can’t always be myself.

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Apologies if you have already started reading. I have edited the post several times in ways that I am sure will make it easier to read.

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My guess is INFP, your writing suggests you have a warm personality, are compassionate to others. You think things through. The being able to predict sporting outcomes = strong Ni. Validating others' viewpoints as much as your own = strong Fi. I think your Fe is just as strong as Fi but not consciously employed, more of a background thing. Same with Ni. The weak memory is probably a side effect of strong Ni. As for sensing, it seems to be subordinated to logic. In other words, you're thinking things through and then seeking sensory data to confirm or deny these thoughts, to come to a clearer understanding. A sensing type would simply experience sensations and then, secondly, determine what they mean.

I would also suggest looking into INFJ.

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My guess is INFP, your writing suggests you have a warm personality, are compassionate to others. You think things through. The being able to predict sporting outcomes = strong Ni. Validating others' viewpoints as much as your own = strong Fi. I think your Fe is just as strong as Fi but not consciously employed, more of a background thing. Same with Ni. The weak memory is probably a side effect of strong Ni. As for sensing, it seems to be subordinated to logic. In other words, you're thinking things through and then seeking sensory data to confirm or deny these thoughts, to come to a clearer understanding. A sensing type would simply experience sensations and then, secondly, determine what they mean.

I would also suggest looking into INFJ.
Thank you! And thank you so much for wading through my ramblings! I think I am going to go back and cut it back a bit. I also just realized that I forgot to past the picture in. When I copied from the word document, it didn't paste, so I'll add that.

I guess I need to learn to better differentiate Fi and Fe. I was just listening to a video about this very topic. I am very sensitive to what others want (at least I feel like I am that way more than others) and that makes me think Fe. But after listening to the video, I may need to adjust this.

As I mentioned in the post, I don't really jive with the need to be authentic. Like I never have understood people who dress to express themselves/get attention (w/o having some other point in mind like finding similar minded folks OR expressing a point of view that will inspire/persuade others).
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