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Hello! :)
Unfortunately, I've posted this in the INFJ section first, only to then realize there's a special part dedicated to solving MBTI problems. Oops. So, I'll post it here.

It's been more than two months since I've taken my first MBTI test and I got INFP as a result. However, when I tried to know more about my personality type, I stumbled upon a website which spoke about the signs to "know you're an INFP", but others spotted that these were signs for INFJs. I felt quite near to the things said in that website, though, and thus near the INFJ's type as well, even after I read about INFJs, so my trust issues began. My doubts were amplified when both my best friend and my mother typed me as more of an INFJ... I know for sure that my enneagram type is 4w5, but whose type, it's still an elusive information to me.

1. I try to be both truthful and tactful. If someone asks me to say something I don't feel, I'm likely to think "Why on Earth should I say that?!" (edit: also trying to understand people's motives, mostly without succeeding) and I'll categorically refuse. However, if someone asks me "Am I bad at (that)?" I tend to soften up the truth by saying "No, don't think that way," or "I'm bad at it too." Unless I'm talking to my dearest ones. Then I want to be entirely honest, even if they don't always take it well.
2. I feel a need to be with people, to connect with them. At the same time, though, I want to stay true to myself. I prefer to be alone than to be with willingly ignorant and obtuse human beings, or to show my sweet and caring side and risk being hurt.
3. I'm likely to know someone's personality and way of thinking in a few minutes since the first meeting. Even though I don't know everything about them and their life, I can get an hunch of what their true self is behind the mask of appearance.
4. I often see people as mean and willing to do bad acts without regretting it, so I may be reticent to open up to most. However, thinking about it, I try to see the positive aspects in them too. Like, once I encountered a pathological liar; yet, I still wanted to believe he had something good inside. Even the meaner people I know, I know they're mean, but I try to see also good points in their personalities.
5. If there's someone who's a special snowflake, I feel an innate sense of protection towards them and I want to shield them from the ugliness of the world. I may describe them as "rays of sunshine".
6. If someone talks badly about another person, I may not intervene to preserve the peace.
7. I sometimes think other people (but mostly my closest ones) should be like this or that, should do this or that, and I get annoyed when they don't do/be what they're supposed to do/be. However, I value individuality and I look for someone who has his/her act together and can be perfectly indipendent.
8. The same attitude I give to strangers: if someone can't compare to my mental image of "The friend", I'll likely not become friends with them because I don't want to spend energies uselessly and don't want to get hurt. However, if someone shows interest in me, I'll talk to them even if I don't feel like they can be trusted.
9. I am insecure. I don't want to be a burden to people and oftentimes I won't talk to others because I believe I'm not clever/nice/good at small talks enough.
10. Speaking of the latter. Small talks. I can listen to people rantle, but I can't find anything useful to say. As if my mind went utterly blank. I know they're simple topics, but I don't know why, I just can't seem to figure out how they work.
11. I'm always tired. And lazy. My mind is in a constant haze, especially when I'm at home. Always there, buzzing in the background, waiting for me with thoughts to analyze and scenarios to imagine.
12. I daydream a lot. Especially when I ain't enjoying the reality outside of my mind. Or when I want to speak to/know someone. If I want to hang out with someone, I'm most likely to think about it and to imagine how would it be than to act upon it.
13. When I talk, oftentimes I say things so incomprehensible to others that they ask me if I'm on drugs, even if in my mind they make perfect sense.
14. I hate when people can't seem to use logic. Like, I've just told you, why can't you put the information I told you with your database of informations? I usually roll my eyes at such displays.
15. I see into the future. I don't predict things logically, I litterally see: when I'm dreaming, or when I'm awake, it may happen that I get images of situations that will surely happen, with all the baggage of the context and the situation, how I'm feeling and what I'm thinking in the future.
16. People has told me my entire life that I seem older than my age.
17. I can get hunches. Always in the way of feelings. For instance, when a teacher asks me a question I don't know the answer to, I sometimes formulate that question in my mind and I receive the correct answer, even if I have no clue where it's coming from. I like to joke and say it's the Universe's act, but the truth is I don't know.
18. I'm a procrastinator, but I strive for perfection. I want nothing less than the best. Also because I fear otherwise I won't get a good grade. This brings me to fulltime anxious studying a few days before the deadline. And I won't get satisfied until I know everything of everything. And even then I may not be fully satisfied.
19. I see through images. I can't understand things unless I see them in my mind. Thus, rational facts without images backup seem incomprehensible to me.
20. I tend to suppress my emotions. I don't want to feel the bad ones and I've got a hard time letting myself go and enjoy the positive ones, so I just create this shield which protects me from feelings, makes me feel numb. I can only seem to bring myself to tears, and, even if I feel better once I've cried, I still feel ashamed because I did and, no, I know, that's not good. Once or twice I've experienced others' pain too, but I try not to feel emotions AT ALL, so, yeah. Not so many times.
21. People say I'm mean, when I'm actually just being cynic and realistic.
22. I can spend days caught up in my own mind only to then realize my presence's been missing in my relationships with my friends; or I can talk only once or twice a day with the few friends I have, and that's okay by me. I may do it, but I need to know I've got someone to return to, or I'll feel utterly demotivated and worthless.

Sorry for the long list, by the way.
And for my English, it's not my native language ;_;
 

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Describe how you deal with stress. Not what you feel about stressful situations, but what actions you undertake or what actions you feel like doing in order to survive stress. Let's say:

- you just had a big emotional fight with your friend or relative. What's the first thing you feel like doing after the fight finished?
- you sat an exam, you left the classroom, you suddenly realized that you've done the main task wrong, and this will likely lead to you getting a failing grade. What's the first thing you feel like doing after the realization struck you?
- you came to work and you boss told you that unless you finish a very important report by the end of the day, you will be fired. But you know that the report cannot be finished just by your own effort, as it needs contribution from many members in the office, some of whom you've never even known or talked to. What would be your first reaction?
- there's a zombie apocalypse. You joined a group of 10 survivors. One of them is a very strong male with a loud voice, who's extremely sure of himself, and is very stubborn. The group automatically chooses to treat him as a leader. You do the same. After a few days of surviving and cooperating, your group approaches a house that seems abandoned. The leader-guy orders everyone to enter the house to search for supplies. But you have a strong feeling that entering this particular house is dangerous, and might get everyone killed. You express your worries, but the leader brushes them off as pointless nonsense, and still orders the whole group to enter. However, you still very strongly feel that his decision is wrong. What do you do?

Even though some of these scenarios are hypothetical, it is best if you try to remember similar situations from your life, and how you felt you wanted to behave in response to them, or how you actually did behave.
 

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I get INFJ vibes.

Quick and lazy insight into what you may be. Socionics Type Assistant TURBO

Seeing into the future via symbols and pictures. "Absorbing" emotions and knowing if someone has a social mask on. Attempts to suppress emotions because you pick them up from others too much and the emotional turbulence is stressful. Having standards for what people should do. Strong Ni/Fe vibes.
 

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Hi! :) Sorry for not replying before; yesterday I wasn't at home all day.
So, the answers...

Describe how you deal with stress. Not what you feel about stressful situations, but what actions you undertake or what actions you feel like doing in order to survive stress. Let's say:

- you just had a big emotional fight with your friend or relative. What's the first thing you feel like doing after the fight finished?

Curl in on myself, once in my room, strictly alone, trying to quiet my hurt feelings down. Not giving in to the tears because of fear of feeling weak.


- you sat an exam, you left the classroom, you suddenly realized that you've done the main task wrong, and this will likely lead to you getting a failing grade. What's the first thing you feel like doing after the realization struck you?

Try to calm myself down, acknowledging my disappointment but not letting it cloud my thoughts. Then try to rationalise, pinpoint the exact grade I may have had, think about the reason why I didn't do well. Possibly find a way to right the failing grade up next time.


- you came to work and you boss told you that unless you finish a very important report by the end of the day, you will be fired. But you know that the report cannot be finished just by your own effort, as it needs contribution from many members in the office, some of whom you've never even known or talked to. What would be your first reaction?

I close off. I usually doubt I'm enough *this or that* in social situations, I fear others' rejection. So, I would feel very insecure. Probably, I'd think "Is it really to be done with so much people?"


- there's a zombie apocalypse. You joined a group of 10 survivors. One of them is a very strong male with a loud voice, who's extremely sure of himself, and is very stubborn. The group automatically chooses to treat him as a leader. You do the same. After a few days of surviving and cooperating, your group approaches a house that seems abandoned. The leader-guy orders everyone to enter the house to search for supplies. But you have a strong feeling that entering this particular house is dangerous, and might get everyone killed. You express your worries, but the leader brushes them off as pointless nonsense, and still orders the whole group to enter. However, you still very strongly feel that his decision is wrong. What do you do?

I hesitate, but then follow his orders even though I don't feel like it and stick to the group.
 

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Hi! :) Sorry for not replying before; yesterday I wasn't at home all day.
So, the answers...

Curl in on myself, once in my room, strictly alone, trying to quiet my hurt feelings down. Not giving in to the tears because of fear of feeling weak.

Try to calm myself down, acknowledging my disappointment but not letting it cloud my thoughts. Then try to rationalise, pinpoint the exact grade I may have had, think about the reason why I didn't do well. Possibly find a way to right the failing grade up next time.

I close off. I usually doubt I'm enough *this or that* in social situations, I fear others' rejection. So, I would feel very insecure. Probably, I'd think "Is it really to be done with so much people?"

I hesitate, but then follow his orders even though I don't feel like it and stick to the group.
Sounds more like INFP to me. If I understand INFJs correctly, then partially due to their Ni/Se axis, they would be the ones very likely to take a stand or punch someone in the face if stressed. The inferior Se takes a dominant position during stressful situations, hence they will be compelled to engage in intense physical activities or pleasures to calm down, and to courageous communication with people, even with strangers (even if they're deeply introverted 99% of the time).

The INxJ responses I expected to those questions were:
- emotional fight: go outside to take a walk or jog, or indulge in physical pleasures
- exam problem: go straight up confront the teacher about the problem, or go outside to take a walk or jog, or indulge in physical pleasures
- office report: after some lingering and stressing, pick up report papers and approach every person in the office and ask him to contribute (even if your knees are shaking)
- zombie apocalypse house: start an emotionally or intellectually infused fight with the leader of the group, be stubborn to the end.
 

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Sounds more like INFP to me. If I understand INFJs correctly, then partially due to their Ni/Se axis, they would be the ones very likely to take a stand or punch someone in the face if stressed. The inferior Se takes a dominant position during stressful situations, hence they will be compelled to engage in intense physical activities or pleasures to calm down, and to courageous communication with people, even with strangers (even if they're deeply introverted 99% of the time).

The INxJ responses I expected to those questions were:
- emotional fight: go outside to take a walk or jog, or indulge in physical pleasures
- exam problem: go straight up confront the teacher about the problem, or go outside to take a walk or jog, or indulge in physical pleasures
- office report: after some lingering and stressing, pick up report papers and approach every person in the office and ask him to contribute (even if your knees are shaking)
- zombie apocalypse house: start an emotionally or intellectually infused fight with the leader of the group, be stubborn to the end.
- exam problem: I answered that way because I thought myself to be in class after realizing it, so I couldn't stand up, otherwise I would have answered "Get out of the room". Anyway, I guess I wasn't clear: "Try to calm myself down", not only because of disappointment, (even though that's the only thing I explained, I now see) but because I would feel restless in the legs, due to my desire to at least stand up.
- office report: That's the thing I would do after stressing. Because, yes, I'd see it as the only way to get out of the situation: to approach everyone in the same way you described. Only it wouldn't be my *first reaction*.
- zombie apocalypse house: Do you think it's more INFP to avoid conflict? Not trying to argue here, at all. Just trying to understand...
 

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- exam problem: I answered that way because I thought myself to be in class after realizing it, so I couldn't stand up, otherwise I would have answered "Get out of the room". Anyway, I guess I wasn't clear: "Try to calm myself down", not only because of disappointment, (even though that's the only thing I explained, I now see) but because I would feel restless in the legs, due to my desire to at least stand up.
- office report: That's the thing I would do after stressing. Because, yes, I'd see it as the only way to get out of the situation: to approach everyone in the same way you described. Only it wouldn't be my *first reaction*.
- zombie apocalypse house: Do you think it's more INFP to avoid conflict? Not trying to argue here, at all. Just trying to understand...
If we go by dichotomy, then it's more P to avoid conflict, because J's would be far more stubborn. J is the creator and enforcer of order, so J's by default should appear more authoritarian than P's.

If we go by functions, INFJ has inferior Se and INFP has inferior Te. Even though I can imagine these two functions reacting in somewhat similar ways, the inferior Se would still be far more action and activity oriented during stress. In my understanding the whole Ni/Se axis (as seen in all xNxJ types) has certain megalomania tendencies, although triggered under different conditions. Hence why it's common to find NJ types in leadership positions in different spheres of life. They tend to be subconsciously drawn towards exercising control over the external world.

But I'm not saying this is what determines your type, that's just how I see things, I'm as much of an amateur as you are in these fields. I guess I could suggest you looking into how inferior functions work: The Principles of Cognitive Function Theory @MBTI-notes - Type Theory
 

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To be honest, I get more INFP traits here than I do INFJ on the account of Fi being more visible than Fe. It seems within the first sentences although you seem to see the rationality behind lying and tact, you deem personal integrity as being a more valuable trait and this kind of thinking can be affiliated with the Fi-Te stack of weighing pros and cons according to your own values.

Your second point also mentions wanting to belong but here's the thing, you seem to see it as having a cost which again impacts your values. Whereas, Fe might see it as being bothersome, but not effecting them enough because they aren't weighing it against anything. I hope Im making sense right now. Its like this- I just interact, but I can compromise out of the fact that I'll still do what Ill do and they can just accept that. Because Fe is a judging and objective function, it detaches.

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I often see people as mean and willing to do bad acts without regretting it, so I may be reticent to open up to most. However, thinking about it, I try to see the positive aspects in them too.
Is again a result of your own introspection it seems. Youve used a judging function to come to a conclusion about how to dictate your own actions when it comes to interacting with the world (Fi-Te over Fe-Ti).

The second part is to show your use of Ne.
 

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@Mez

Is your signature meant to be sarcastic or do you actually think that? :/
 

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If you're an INFJ, you will know it. I think the concept goes that, if you can't decide between INFJ or INFP, then you're an INFP.

From what you've written, you have a strong sense of Fi. If you still can't decide by what everyone has replied, and wondering if it's true to your authentic self, then Yes, you are an INFP.
 
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