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Since I appear to fail epically at differentiating between ENFP and ENTP I started doubting if I am a TP at all yet again. Could I be just really jugged and insensitive Fi?

SCENARIO 1

FOCUS ON YOUR FEELING PROCESS HERE

Your significant other just ended your 2 year relationship quite suddenly and with no apparent explanation. Up until this point you had both been talking about marriage and last week you even went to look at rings together. Now he/she won't even return your phone calls or texts. After talking with his/her family you find out that he/she has just been diagnosed with terminal stage 4 cancer.

- Describe how this scenario would make you feel as well as what sort of influences and motivations lie behind those feelings. Why do you feel the way you do?

- In this scenario what would you honestly say the primary focus of your feelings would be?


I've never been in romantic love I honestly don't know what I'd feel here. I could replace SO with a friend or family member. Still don't know. Something really bad probably. Family wouldn't push me away, they could hide it from me but my parents are shitty liars I'd pick it up and like hell they'd get rid of me this way. Friend. Pushing me away would be likely caused by thinking along the lines of "seeing me dying would hurt her" or "i don't want her to see me like this". So after gauging their reason I would act depending on whether it's a) or b). For a) I'd say that I'd be hurt by their passing regardless and leaving me out would just give me regrets for later which is probably true but would also play on "others before me" mentality. So it would be kind of emotional manipulation but desperate times and all that. For the b) reasoning I suppose I could use the same as a) in addition to saying that I don't care and we should treasure the time we have left regardless of vanity. Whatever I would feel there I'd likely regret it if I left them deal with it alone in the end. People continue live in others' memories - I think I'd want to give them as much of my memory as I could and maybe hopefully lessen the nightmare of their last days.

SCENARIO 2

FOCUS ON YOUR FEELING PROCESS HERE

You are in college and this semester both you and your roommate end up in the same class together. You and your roommate get along fairly well and the living situation works but you aren't particularly close. You both typically do your own thing and are rather indifferent to each other. As the semester progresses you excel and become one of the top students in the class whereas your roommate is struggling significantly to grasp the material. The professor assigns a fairly challenging take home test that is a significant portion of your grade. He/she makes it clear that while it is open book, students are to work alone. Later your roommate comes to you begging for help after struggling with the test most of the weekend. You have already completed the assignment and he/she isn't asking to copy your answers, just to help tutor and mentor them as they struggle to complete the test, so there is no way your professor would ever know. However, this is the first time your room-mate has asked you for help this semester. He/she makes it clear that how they do on this test could mean the difference between passing and failing this class.

- How do you respond to your roommate’s request and why?

- What sort of things in this scenario stand out to you as far as having a strong influence on your decision making and why?

- Describe the flow of your decision making process.


Help them of course. Sure, prof said no helping but unless roommate would get cornered and tattle on me there's no way he'd know. Also even if that would happen I'd find a way to make myself look good in the eyes of prof. Play on altruism I guess. Anyway, having roommate indebted to you is /really/ beneficial. For future favors or maybe as a foundation of a friendship assuming we are still not friends. If they turned out to be too tedious to explain things to I'd find a way to get out of it without making them angry with me since having person you live with dislike you is a bad idea.

SCENARIO 3

FOCUS ON YOUR LOGIC AND THINKING PROCESS HERE

Your boss calls you into his/her office in order to assign you to a new project. He/she gives you a choice between two.

Project 1 is a rather broad, expansive project covering multiple areas of company operations. It has the potential to have a very significant impact on company operations but it would require a collective effort and an extensive amount of group work where you would be logically thinking through the project together with the group of individuals your boss has also assigned to it.

Project 2 has a much more specific and narrow focus and would require a significant amount of in depth individual analysis to work through the problem. You would be working alone and the completion of the project may or may not have much impact on company operations. However, after complete the process and problem you were working on will be streamlined and fundamentally understood.

- Which project appeals to you the most, as it relates to the way you prefer to logically process information? Why?

- What sort of things in this scenario, across either project, stood out to you as having a strong influence on your decision? Why?


Project 1 of course. "Broad, expansive, multiple ares, significant impact, collective effort, logical thinking" that's right up my alley. The only thing about first that looks good in comparison is working alone which I can dig very well too. "Significant amount of in depth individual analysis" sounds tedious. Details. Ew. Also "may or may not have much impact " niiiice. So my work could go wasted and unappreciated. Nope.


SCENARIO 4

FOCUS ON YOUR LOGIC AND THINKING PROCESS HERE

Your college professor has assigned you to a group project with 3 other individuals. All 3 of these individuals have a good strong work ethic and desire to contribute to the overall success of this project. You are at the first meeting of your group and the other members are tossing around valuable ideas as to the nature and direction of this project.

- Describe your behavior in this situation as you process and think about the ideas they are presenting.

- Describe what major influences drive this behavior.


Key is the "desire to contribute to the overall success of this project". Assuming I have it too - listen to their ideas, twist them, throw back, listen more. Something always comes out of this.

If IDGAF about this - pretend to listen, nod and try to make my workload as small as I can.

SCENARIO 5

FOCUS ON THE SOURCES YOU DRAW NON-PHYSICAL ENERGY FROM HERE

It has been a very long week and you feel mentally and emotionally drained, but good news! It is Saturday and you have nothing significant that needs to be done. You FINALLY have some free time to yourself to recharge your batteries and do whatever you want.

- Describe what sort of activities would help you to recharge. What would you enjoy doing after a long week and why?

- What sort of things do you feel you draw non-physical energy from doing?


Sleep, wake up, read and listen to iPod for hours, get out of the bed, take a shower, eat, spend entire day on the Internet, playing games, watching TV shows/movies (usually simultaneously with the games), alt tab into some sites. "Mentally and emotionally drained" means I won't have energy to entertain friends or withstand my family but my INFP bff is very non-taxing to hang around with so I guess I could go out with her but after such week I'd prefer the first option.

SCENARIO 6

FOCUS ON THINKING VS FEELING HERE

You have a meeting with your college career counselor to discuss potential careers that interest you. He/she offers you a list of the following careers and asks you to pick your TOP 3. He/she asks you to take money out of the equation. Imagine all of these careers received equal compensation. Focus instead on where you would truly feel most happy and fulfilled.

Artist, Scientist, Actor, Engineer, Musician, Lawyer, Counselor, Entrepreneur, Teacher, Manager, Psychologist, Computer Programmer / Analyst, Clergy, Child Care, Medical Doctor

- What were your top 3 choices and what aspects of these careers appeal to you?

- Was it difficult or easy to pick only 3 and why?

- Prioritize the aspects of your career choices that influenced your decision, what things mattered most to you, where do you imagine finding the most fulfillment and why?


Scientist, Engineer, Entrepreneur - offer the most possibilities to work with stuff I'm interested in. Hopefully something "broad, expansive, multiple ares, significant impact, collective effort, logical thinking".

For the rest it's just method of exclusion. Artist - I have an appreciation for art but drawing is largely technical to me e.g. I draw if I need to visualize some design or when I draw humans or something living I tend to focus on correct anatomy and whether or not it makes sense. Not very artsy, basically. Actor - I can pretend well but from the looks of it's more than that. I'd rather work with the movie "behind the scenes" crew. Musician - I love music but I've never had a desire to write lyrics and never learnt how to play instruments. Lawyer - TV makes it look all exciting but it's actually all about dealing with papers, details, bureaucracy and unsavory individuals. Counselor - ? is this about politics or social work? Either way I both are meh too much schmoozing or working with others' problems. Teacher - I don't have a patience for explaining things to a people especially if they are slower than me and I hate repeating myself. Psychologist - I mean, I try hard to listen to my friends and family problems and offer help but to do be professionally obligated to listen to constant whining NOPE. Computer Programmer - although I deal with some medium codding, hardware has always been what I loved the most. And Analyst sounds tedious. Whatever it is. Child Care - see "Teacher" and "Shrink". Medical Doctor - medicine always interested me more as a research topic, I wouldn't want to deal with actual sick people. I'm bacteria-phobic for one. And I don't know if I could just see patients as problems all the time I'd feel sorry for them and it's not something I like to deal with.

SCENARIO 7

Click on the image below and pay close attention to the things that jump out to you, objects, thoughts, feelings, impressions, ideas etc. What do you see?



- Describe the main things that stand out to you in this picture.

- Why do you think/feel you focused on those things?

- Describe the strength with which this photo did or did not appeal to you and why?


I'll quote myself from here. http://personalitycafe.com/whats-my...s-s-dominance-image-test-17.html#post16149522

- Describe the very first things that jump out to you in this picture.
1. Guild War 2 map Silverwastes.
2. River canyons on mars.
3. Now that I started actually trying to give a duck, and staring at the details, I wonder what created this, (glacial? river?) where it is (reverse google = Painted Canyon?), why some trees look completely dry and the others are very green. What species are those trees. Are the dry trees are really dry (taking onto account that very green ones are right next to them)? Color of the rock reminds me of some food. Not sure what food. Maybe cookie. Then I googled more and it's a 3D rendering. Meh. Interest slides to zero.

- Why do you think you focused on those things?
1. Because I'm currently playing it. Like right now. In the other window.
2. Because I've read this couple hours ago. Wet Mars: Red Planet Lost Ocean's Worth of Water, New Maps Reveal And that was more interesting than this image.
3. Because it's an image of a desert canyon with barely anything interesting to go by.

- On a scale of 1 to 10 with 10 being highest, how strongly did this photo appeal to you and why/why not?
Maybe like 3. Lighting is nice. Colors are nice too. But nothing I haven't seen before. I only got associations with more interesting stuff = didn't spike my imagination.

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oh god i've read some of the "spirited" responses i have no soul in comparison

[edit2] now that I've exited the game and ate and am less cranky, this makes think about Devonian period. In real life pattern on the rocks is created by deposition of soil during different time periods. The difference in color would indicate presence of various minerals and organics but since it's a 3D rendering it means that artist saw it somewhere. The trees grate me, though. It's either uber green pine-looking ones or dry ones. Placing them so close together raises questions lots of questions that can't be answered for sure since it's a 3D rendering. Could be disease, could be underground water, maybe chemicals, maybe green trees are chocking the dry ones.

As for the fact that it's really realistically looking 3D rendering, I don't like realistic art. Like the kind of ultra-realistic celebrity portrait that Internet is full nowadays - if you have that skill why not to create something that is actually original? This rendering is skilled and realistic but it's nothing new.
Now I mainly think about Devonian and would there be stripes on the rocks. I mean those stripes are influenced by organics too and during that period there was barely any time for organics to crawl out of ocean (including plants). Would the stripes be as pronounced? I don't think they would. Would there be any stripes at all? Not sure but leaning to there would.
 
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You've been helping other people so much on their typing threads and no one has stopped and helped you :/ I'll try to help out when I get done studying, but until then I'll bump in the hopes that some of the typing squad comes and gets started on new type speculations for you.
 
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Your answers seem Ti rather than Fi. I didn't get a dom or aux Fi vibe. All of your answers made logical sense. I didn't get the feeling that you held Fi values.

If someone criticizes you do you take it personally? I believe Fi users tend to take criticism personally because Fi is internal and private.

I remember you posted an ENTP picture in another thread that made me realize I might not be a Fe user. The video below feels a bit Fi to me. If it resonates to you, you might be Fi. If it doesn't you could still be an insensitive Fi but you know how complex personalities are to diagnose.

 

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You've been helping other people so much on their typing threads and no one has stopped and helped you :/ I'll try to help out when I get done studying, but until then I'll bump in the hopes that some of the typing squad comes and gets started on new type speculations for you.
I started thinking that my answers might be so vague and inconsistent and nobody can pick anything. :confused:

If it is ENFP or ENTP, I'd say ENTP. This is just a hunch though.
Aye, ENxP is the question.

Your answers seem Ti rather than Fi. I didn't get a dom or aux Fi vibe. All of your answers made logical sense. I didn't get the feeling that you held Fi values.

If someone criticizes you do you take it personally? I believe Fi users tend to take criticism personally because Fi is internal and private.

I remember you posted an ENTP picture in another thread that made me realize I might not be a Fe user. The video below feels a bit Fi to me. If it resonates to you, you might be Fi. If it doesn't you could still be an insensitive Fi but you know how complex personalities are to diagnose.
If someone criticizes you do you take it personally? I believe Fi users tend to take criticism personally because Fi is internal and private.

Well, I have ESFJ mother and ISTJ dad. In terms of taking criticisms I'm definitely in mother's camp. Of course I like being praised but if I am critisized I tend to take it as something I need to work on/do better next time. Sometimes criticism crushes my desire to do something again - "If my work is unappreciated then what's the point of doing it". That being said, I can't readily remember last time I was criticized. Well, I probably was criticized but forgot it. Or maybe disagreement with my ISFJ friend counts, I kinda laid trash on her logic and she took it personally and said that she felt attacked, and I should've been softer somehow, ugh, I fucked up.

As for video, I tend to not care about lyrics because poetry is hard for me to understand. What I mean is, it tends to be so subjective and personal to the author that I just get lost in the sea of possible interpretations and then I see some interview of the singer and they are like "This song is about my dead hamster, lol". Like Pompeii. It's about actual dead Pompeians talking. How was I supposed to know that? Creepy. Cool. Do I care? Not really. The tune is good.

Subjective and personal unless it's like Lonely Island or Weird Al, lol. Well it's not entirely true. I completely adore this song and it doesn't have a single sentence that isn't some metaphor of something meaningful to the author but I'd like it even if it was on, I don't know, Parsi, which I don't understand, but the song has such excellent melody it's in my personal top 3 all time chart.
 
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Ti/Fe! If a Fi user did a creative work that was unappreciated but yet they enjoyed doing it I think they would still continue to do it. :laughing: From reading everything you wrote I'm leaning towards ENTP.
Well, tbh it's not the most deciding factor since I keep with Jung stuff despite basically all of my friends being err, unsporting-to-hostile towards my typing thing. But getting negative feedback or worse brushed off definitely puts a dent on my motivation. I'm more of an optimist, though so I often keep up just hoping that at some point somebody would appreciate and share my enthusiasm. I do hella enjoy when something I actually put a work into gets me a patted.

The reason I doubt my type often is because I strongly doubt my ability to be objective towards myself. When it come to this system, I mainly evaluate myself via my relationship to the world and others. For example, after a few months of watching myself act & communicate with society I was shocked to find out that the reason people often delegate their requests via my mother or my best friend is because they are apparently genuinely afraid of me. That I would chew on them if they asked themselves or something along the lines of it. And it's a huge shocker to me because I didn't think I come off this aggressive and unapproachable. At all. I help people. I like helping people, especially when it's something I am good at (refer to: liking getting my head patted), why would people think I'd chew on them? I'm excited each time I'm asked to solve some vague computer system issue or just help setting something up. But alas, I'm scary, apparently. So this put a dumper on my confidence when it comes to assessing myself.
 

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I think appreciation is more of a deciding factor what I'm "arting" (than any intellectual pursuit) since, as I said, it's not very personal for me. I tend to focus on impact that it would make. It's more about sharing part for me not about about self-expression. I do graphics design, the most fun part of it for me is coming up with the way to attract target audience and satisfy client at the same time. Actually "arting" is a bit of tedious and I tend to rush to my deadlines because I put it off for long. I am happy when the result hits the marks I set on hitting.

Crap the more I write it the less it looks like I use Fi or have anything resembling a soul. =_=
 

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You have a soul. Just not an Fi type of soul :p

I would elaborate but I'm on Tapatalk... In short I definitely think you at least use Ti and Fe. Earlier I was going to point out how ridiculously Ti/Fe you were, but for now just take my word for it - what you've said so far strikes me as incredibly Ti/Fe.
 

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Since I appear to fail epically at differentiating between ENFP and ENTP I started doubting if I am a TP at all yet again. Could I be just really jugged and insensitive Fi?

SCENARIO 1

FOCUS ON YOUR FEELING PROCESS HERE

Your significant other just ended your 2 year relationship quite suddenly and with no apparent explanation. Up until this point you had both been talking about marriage and last week you even went to look at rings together. Now he/she won't even return your phone calls or texts. After talking with his/her family you find out that he/she has just been diagnosed with terminal stage 4 cancer.

- Describe how this scenario would make you feel as well as what sort of influences and motivations lie behind those feelings. Why do you feel the way you do?

- In this scenario what would you honestly say the primary focus of your feelings would be?


I've never been in romantic love I honestly don't know what I'd feel here. I could replace SO with a friend or family member. Still don't know. Something really bad probably. Family wouldn't push me away, they could hide it from me but my parents are shitty liars I'd pick it up and like hell they'd get rid of me this way. Friend. Pushing me away would be likely caused by thinking along the lines of "seeing me dying would hurt her" or "i don't want her to see me like this". So after gauging their reason I would act depending on whether it's a) or b). For a) I'd say that I'd be hurt by their passing regardless and leaving me out would just give me regrets for later which is probably true but would also play on "others before me" mentality. So it would be kind of emotional manipulation but desperate times and all that. For the b) reasoning I suppose I could use the same as a) in addition to saying that I don't care and we should treasure the time we have left regardless of vanity. Whatever I would feel there I'd likely regret it if I left them deal with it alone in the end. People continue live in others' memories - I think I'd want to give them as much of my memory as I could and maybe hopefully lessen the nightmare of their last days.

SCENARIO 2

FOCUS ON YOUR FEELING PROCESS HERE

You are in college and this semester both you and your roommate end up in the same class together. You and your roommate get along fairly well and the living situation works but you aren't particularly close. You both typically do your own thing and are rather indifferent to each other. As the semester progresses you excel and become one of the top students in the class whereas your roommate is struggling significantly to grasp the material. The professor assigns a fairly challenging take home test that is a significant portion of your grade. He/she makes it clear that while it is open book, students are to work alone. Later your roommate comes to you begging for help after struggling with the test most of the weekend. You have already completed the assignment and he/she isn't asking to copy your answers, just to help tutor and mentor them as they struggle to complete the test, so there is no way your professor would ever know. However, this is the first time your room-mate has asked you for help this semester. He/she makes it clear that how they do on this test could mean the difference between passing and failing this class.

- How do you respond to your roommate’s request and why?

- What sort of things in this scenario stand out to you as far as having a strong influence on your decision making and why?

- Describe the flow of your decision making process.


Help them of course. Sure, prof said no helping but unless roommate would get cornered and tattle on me there's no way he'd know. Also even if that would happen I'd find a way to make myself look good in the eyes of prof. Play on altruism I guess. Anyway, having roommate indebted to you is /really/ beneficial. For future favors or maybe as a foundation of a friendship assuming we are still not friends. If they turned out to be too tedious to explain things to I'd find a way to get out of it without making them angry with me since having person you live with dislike you is a bad idea.

SCENARIO 3

FOCUS ON YOUR LOGIC AND THINKING PROCESS HERE

Your boss calls you into his/her office in order to assign you to a new project. He/she gives you a choice between two.

Project 1 is a rather broad, expansive project covering multiple areas of company operations. It has the potential to have a very significant impact on company operations but it would require a collective effort and an extensive amount of group work where you would be logically thinking through the project together with the group of individuals your boss has also assigned to it.

Project 2 has a much more specific and narrow focus and would require a significant amount of in depth individual analysis to work through the problem. You would be working alone and the completion of the project may or may not have much impact on company operations. However, after complete the process and problem you were working on will be streamlined and fundamentally understood.

- Which project appeals to you the most, as it relates to the way you prefer to logically process information? Why?

- What sort of things in this scenario, across either project, stood out to you as having a strong influence on your decision? Why?


Project 1 of course. "Broad, expansive, multiple ares, significant impact, collective effort, logical thinking" that's right up my alley. The only thing about first that looks good in comparison is working alone which I can dig very well too. "Significant amount of in depth individual analysis" sounds tedious. Details. Ew. Also "may or may not have much impact " niiiice. So my work could go wasted and unappreciated. Nope.


SCENARIO 4

FOCUS ON YOUR LOGIC AND THINKING PROCESS HERE

Your college professor has assigned you to a group project with 3 other individuals. All 3 of these individuals have a good strong work ethic and desire to contribute to the overall success of this project. You are at the first meeting of your group and the other members are tossing around valuable ideas as to the nature and direction of this project.

- Describe your behavior in this situation as you process and think about the ideas they are presenting.

- Describe what major influences drive this behavior.


Key is the "desire to contribute to the overall success of this project". Assuming I have it too - listen to their ideas, twist them, throw back, listen more. Something always comes out of this.

If IDGAF about this - pretend to listen, nod and try to make my workload as small as I can.

SCENARIO 5

FOCUS ON THE SOURCES YOU DRAW NON-PHYSICAL ENERGY FROM HERE

It has been a very long week and you feel mentally and emotionally drained, but good news! It is Saturday and you have nothing significant that needs to be done. You FINALLY have some free time to yourself to recharge your batteries and do whatever you want.

- Describe what sort of activities would help you to recharge. What would you enjoy doing after a long week and why?

- What sort of things do you feel you draw non-physical energy from doing?


Sleep, wake up, read and listen to iPod for hours, get out of the bed, take a shower, eat, spend entire day on the Internet, playing games, watching TV shows/movies (usually simultaneously with the games), alt tab into some sites. "Mentally and emotionally drained" means I won't have energy to entertain friends or withstand my family but my INFP bff is very non-taxing to hang around with so I guess I could go out with her but after such week I'd prefer the first option.

SCENARIO 6

FOCUS ON THINKING VS FEELING HERE

You have a meeting with your college career counselor to discuss potential careers that interest you. He/she offers you a list of the following careers and asks you to pick your TOP 3. He/she asks you to take money out of the equation. Imagine all of these careers received equal compensation. Focus instead on where you would truly feel most happy and fulfilled.

Artist, Scientist, Actor, Engineer, Musician, Lawyer, Counselor, Entrepreneur, Teacher, Manager, Psychologist, Computer Programmer / Analyst, Clergy, Child Care, Medical Doctor

- What were your top 3 choices and what aspects of these careers appeal to you?

- Was it difficult or easy to pick only 3 and why?

- Prioritize the aspects of your career choices that influenced your decision, what things mattered most to you, where do you imagine finding the most fulfillment and why?


Scientist, Engineer, Entrepreneur - offer the most possibilities to work with stuff I'm interested in. Hopefully something "broad, expansive, multiple ares, significant impact, collective effort, logical thinking".

For the rest it's just method of exclusion. Artist - I have an appreciation for art but drawing is largely technical to me e.g. I draw if I need to visualize some design or when I draw humans or something living I tend to focus on correct anatomy and whether or not it makes sense. Not very artsy, basically. Actor - I can pretend well but from the looks of it's more than that. I'd rather work with the movie "behind the scenes" crew. Musician - I love music but I've never had a desire to write lyrics and never learnt how to play instruments. Lawyer - TV makes it look all exciting but it's actually all about dealing with papers, details, bureaucracy and unsavory individuals. Counselor - ? is this about politics or social work? Either way I both are meh too much schmoozing or working with others' problems. Teacher - I don't have a patience for explaining things to a people especially if they are slower than me and I hate repeating myself. Psychologist - I mean, I try hard to listen to my friends and family problems and offer help but to do be professionally obligated to listen to constant whining NOPE. Computer Programmer - although I deal with some medium codding, hardware has always been what I loved the most. And Analyst sounds tedious. Whatever it is. Child Care - see "Teacher" and "Shrink". Medical Doctor - medicine always interested me more as a research topic, I wouldn't want to deal with actual sick people. I'm bacteria-phobic for one. And I don't know if I could just see patients as problems all the time I'd feel sorry for them and it's not something I like to deal with.

SCENARIO 7

Click on the image below and pay close attention to the things that jump out to you, objects, thoughts, feelings, impressions, ideas etc. What do you see?



- Describe the main things that stand out to you in this picture.

- Why do you think/feel you focused on those things?

- Describe the strength with which this photo did or did not appeal to you and why?


I'll quote myself from here. http://personalitycafe.com/whats-my...s-s-dominance-image-test-17.html#post16149522



Now I mainly think about Devonian and would there be stripes on the rocks. I mean those stripes are influenced by organics too and during that period there was barely any time for organics to crawl out of ocean (including plants). Would the stripes be as pronounced? I don't think they would. Would there be any stripes at all? Not sure but leaning to there would.


The way you answered Scenario 1 actually reminds me of how I would answer that question myself, and I am an Fe type myself.
ENFPs have auxiliary Fi and they wouldn't have much difficulty knowing their primary focus of feelings. I noticed that all Fi types usually have a good understanding of their feelings, even INTJs with tertiary Fi also seemed to have a good knowledge of themselves. Scenario 2 could be Fe or Fi. Scenario 3 sounds like Ne. Ni types aren't very good at brainstorming in groups, and they also aren't very good at brainstorming ideas on the spot, for Ni types, their ideas usually come to them through "aha moments".
The way you answered Scenario 6 also sounds something like what an ENTP would answer. You seem more interested in ideas rather than people. ENFPs with Fi would often be interested in humans and psychology for the most part, but unlike xNFJs who prefer to focus on society as a whole, ENFPs with Fi would focus on helping people individually. They have an interest in people as individuals.
I remembered reading from somewhere that most psychologists and counselors are mostly made up of ENFPs because they have a great interest in people. And Scenario 7 sounds very N, probably leaning toward Ne because you seemed to focus a lot on ideas
and possibilities rather than symbolism. And I was reading your other post on here and even your way of handling criticism is very Ti based LOL. As an Fe-Ti type, I view criticisms the same way too. I use criticisms to improve on myself. My objective is slightly different from yours though since my Fe is in a higher function stack, I would often use criticisms to improve on myself because I want to fit into society better and I want to appear more likeable in people's eyes. The Fe in me makes me overly-fixate on how others view me at times and I might end up hating myself if other people hate me. But I can definitely identify with what you said about using criticisms to improve on yourself. Criticisms is an opportunity to improve on oneself. Instead of wasting time brooding
over criticisms, why not use those criticisms to fix myself and make myself a better person instead? I have some Fi dom/aux friends and their thinking style is very different from mine, they usually tend to take criticisms very personally. If you try to criticize them, they will immediately snap at you and flung back a bunch of criticisms onto you. Hell hath no fury like an Fi scorned! :tongue:

ENTP sounds right. I'd also like to show you this video, this guy in the video here is a great example of an ENTP, and you might find yourself identifying a lot with his thinking style:




He is only 13 years old when he did the first video btw. He is so passionate about his ideas that he often has this tendency to ramble on about his ideas non-stop, he often share his ideas and upload his videos on youtube. He also has a huge love of debate and he isn't afraid to debate on controversial topics. There are many times when he actually ended up offending people due to his tendency to debate on controversial topics all the time. For example, he recently uploaded a video about himself cursing at the government in my country, like how the government swallowed people's money and uses the money for their own advantage. He not only bashes on the government, he also bashed on Christians and the bible etc.
If you are an ENTP, I think you will be able to identify with this as well. That strong need to debate on controversial topics, saying things that people are afraid to say just for the sake of stirring up debates.
If an ENFP ever get into debates, they would avoid controversial topics due to their Fi. The Fi in them often have this tendency to attach their personal identity to controversial topics in debates, and they often have difficulty not taking such debates personally, unlike ENTPs who are able to detach their personal identity from such debates. Let's say if an ENFP is a vegetarian, and you started debating with the ENFP and saying how people have the rights to eat animals etc, the ENFP with Fi would start taking it very personally and start getting their feelings hurt over this. ENTPs on the other hand would be able to detach their feelings in this situation and debate from an objective perspective.
And this is also a post written by him about his school life, just look at his writing style, he is so focused on the precision of words that he uses to express his thoughts etc, very Ti of him to focus on such things in his writing.


INTRODUCTION

Alas, it’s nearing the end of my journey in Zhonghua Secondary School. How I have changed considerably after these 4 years. With all the humility in the world, I think my experience, comparable to others, was very much more unique, because I am for better or worse, a completely unique individual, void of any established social construct that dear close-minded conservatives hold so sweetly to their hearts. And when such a person is placed in a not-so-unique setting, oh the things that happen.And oh! So sweet, now students have been tasked as a celebration to our graduation, to share our thoughts and experiences in our dear Secondary School. Oh how I relish at the opportunity.

PART 1: SOCIAL LIFE

Because I was so different, and was interested in talking about things that most people would shy away from, and was completely bored by what people normally talked about, there was this alienation from everyone for majority of my school years. It’s not that I only had a few friends, that isn’t a problem at all, it’s that I had absolutely no friends and had no one to talk, much less have a connection with.

Admittedly, it was also because of my own personal flaws, that contributed to my alienation. I was not a person who was capable of empathy, and was short of the capability to say things that made people feel good. However I think after acknowledging these problems, I’ve managed to effectively subdue them after knowing how detrimental they could be to myself, and I think from there it did open more gateways for me to form close relationships with friends, which currently I’m still trying to forge. But even with that, I’ll never associate myself with big groups of people for a long time and consider myself popular, and that’s good because I never wanted that. There is this novelty of having friends that can be maintained from Secondary School, but of course the most important thing in such relationships is it’s genuine nature.

I detested how most of my peers valued popularity. It seemed like one’s social life was considered better based on one’s popularity, so much so that I heard that there was even a tier-system which ranked peers on how popular they were, where many people in lower tiers should try to get to the top. Majority of my peers valued that, but I think I always knew that that being popular was never the ideal way. Which is why I felt, and I think still feel that the worst part in me making Youtube videos is the stupid people who come up to me and say ‘HI AMOS!’ like 5 times a week, now you might think that being famous and having people shout your name and hyperventilate to you would make you feel good, that’s actually the worst thing of being an artist. It’s terribly annoying and ironically none of them actually respect you or your work, and I don’t think necessarily that an artist should be a celebrity.

Anyways, I recalled trying to hang out with what is considered the supposedly ‘cool’ people, with cliques that reach the dozens and then feeling so empty afterwards, even more empty than when I was alone with no one to talk to.

Many don’t realize, but popular people and people in huge cliques don’t engage in any communication that actually forges a relationship. They talk a lot about where to take pictures, where to go, academic results and the weather, but they don’t talk about the really good stuff like feelings, plans for the future and hopes. At least…. Not nearly as much as I wanted. And how can you, when the most effective communication is between 2 people, and you’re surrounded by so many people you barely know about other than the information presented on their facebook profiles. It’s ironic how one can have so many people to go out with, but still feel so lonely. What’s magical is that although I was alone most of the time, I don’t think I ever felt lonely.

One should not have friends because they want to seem more popular, not lonely and have someone to hang out with in idle places in the holiday and post a constant barrage of Instagram pics to tell everyone that they’re popular, and then go back to school thinking that they possess an aura that they’re better than anyone who didn’t go out to as many places that they did with their ‘friends’. They value this really superficial form of’ friendship’ that thankfully for them, they can share with many others, but not me. So with that, I am not going to force myself to hang out with people I don’t like, was never interested in, just because they hold a popularity status that would make you more respected in the eyes of people as superficial as you, but because I genuinely like, and am interested in, and have a connection with that person. That’s what I held with most of the the time, and because I valued that aspect of a friendship much more than anyone else I knew, I was alienated because I never wanted a relationship that was insincere. However, that was the way that fortunately, or unfortunately, was the most honest, and I think at least for me, the most happy with.

PART 2: TEACHERS

I was very shocked and rather disappointed by the teachers in our school. Lessons were taught by mindless drones with remotely no zest or any conceivable passion. In my experience, specifically, Chemistry, literature and E maths. The turmoil and mundanity that I and I’m sure my peers feel, radiates from our class. It sickens me that about a-fifth of my life was spent in a class with these people. None of them advocate thinking outside of the box and expressing new and innovative ideas, just rote-learning and memorisation, which is why neither the teachers nor the students are interested in anything taught in class, it is neither stimulating nor satisfying to learn. Furthermore, the teachers seemed to work better as students, than teachers. They seem to know the material needed to study, but they don’t know how they managed to acquire that material, which is why there were many times when I was simply baffled by how horrible and ineffective some of the advice given by teachers were for students desperate to try to find a correct way to study.

I was absolutely traumatized when my Chemistry Teacher claimed, with a seeming air of unabashed wisdom that ‘copying was memorising’. I think of the dozens of students with every subsequent batch that joins her, and is plagued and misled by this archaic notion, used by primitive Chinese folks centuries ago to memorize ancient poems characterized by sexism and racism, and I weep . One time I even felt that I needed to openly rebel against the E maths teacher in class, so that I could retain a decent E maths mark, never have I seen a string of Maths exercises so repetitive and useless provided by a teacher, and I cry for anyone who thought that it was efficient to spend 7 hours doing 120 quadratic equations, and then wondering why they didn’t score well. When my mark for E maths was reduced from 90 to 80 in CA2, because I postponed studying for E maths due to me progressively losing zest in learning E maths and putting off learning the new chapters and reviewing the syllables 2 days before the exam, my dear E maths teacher said something along the lines of ‘maybe you wouldn’t have done so bad if you did my work’.No , that was the reason why I didn’t do even worse.

Most of my academic achievement is attributed to learning outside of class by myself, in the comfort of my room Which is very ironic considering the titular reputation of school as an ‘educational institution’, you would expect it to be more responsible in educating you in the syllables than yourself, especially since you spend so much more time there in a day. I’m very sure that the ex-students that come back to visit the teachers do so not because they were good teachers, but because they might have been good people, who were nice, social and funny. But were they effective as educators, who made learning fun and managed to involve the students in thinking and the acquisition of knowledge? No.

They also seemed to lack an understanding of what impression I was trying to portray to them. The most common thing I hear from teachers is that I’m not ‘mindful of my words’ because whatever I say always comes out as condescending and insulting to them. However, I think my fellow teachers misunderstood the point, those words were so obviously meant to be insulting. So in that regard, I am actually very mindful of my words.

PART 3: CCAS

My experience in co-curricular activities was in the Drama Club, and I absolutely hated it. This is a club where it was quite clearly evident that the teachers are not concerned with it’s welfare, although they are supposedly ‘in-charge’, where the venue can’t even be specified for majority of rehearsals, and even worst, when the situation is obviously not handled properly, the teacher hides it and doesn’t make any of the mishandling known to any of the students mindlessly following the teacher, wondering when rehearsal will start. And when one expresses contempt at how poorly managed the whole situation is, the Teacher doesn’t apologize for it or takes responsibility, but instead says, ‘you’re not cooperating with the drama club. Show respect to the teacher’.

Rehearsals were characterized by sheer repetition, plagued by runs of the same performance over and over again without any feedback, specifically during my SYF rehearsal. And when feedback was given by the trainers, it was obvious that they were inexperienced and were ineffective in providing useful and good advice to improve one’s performance. I might not be adept in skills on acting and drama, but I am adept at spotting someone who is unsure of themselves. We constantly changed trainers supposedly because of a lack of funding, causing the quality of the trainers to become progressively worst, to the point that the drama club has disintegrated to being coached by the teachers who were not specifically trained in that area, and the seniors who delude themselves with the knowledge that they knew something because they were leaders. The club doesn’t participate in any competitions anymore, but only churns out performances about twice a year on school events, with an act that is devoid of any dramatic or acting skills, that is reminiscent of a classroom skit. Because of the lack of proper guidance and platforms to perform well and improve, one gets demotivated to perform their role well because even if they did, would they necessarily be acknowledged for it? Not in their opinion. We laze off, eventually gaining the reputation that we are a ‘slack CCA’ among the other CCAs, which the teachers and student leaders vehemently object to, but we are. And then we wonder, ‘why did we get silver for SYF? WE WORKED SO HARD!’ Believe me, you neither worked hard, nor well.

I think personally, the worst part of my experience in the Drama Club was the student leaders, specifically the ones who were a year older than me. There was this black president, who literally darkened the mood with her presence, she was senseless, illogical and had this air of arrogance that unfortunately unlike me, was not validated by intelligence. She was oblivious to how inadequate her knowledge of drama was and always made herself seem like she knew her stuff, but we always knew she was full of bull. When she was voted for president, I literally thought a holocaust would happen to the drama club, which it did! I cannot count how many black jokes I have made ever since we were ‘graced’ by her reign. And the coincidence that many of the subsequent presidents and vice presidents who were elected all constantly sucked up to her, introduced a surplus of whore jokes as well. She made me racist all over again.

Then there was this really fat vice-president, who I remembered kicked me out of a whole drama session because I vented my frustrations on how unorganized our preparation was during an NDP performance. He always seemed to be struggling to give advice that made sense, as much as he did in standing . Who single-handedly ruined our SYF performance with his final monologue(But really we should really blame the trainer for the casting decision). Who demanded respect and did so with the argument that ‘ I AM YOUR SENIOR’. He made an impression with his pompousness, stupidity and the need to gain respect from his juniors, which was virtually impossible for him to receive and was so painful when he tried to demand it. Such negative attributes plagued my experience in the club, where the only thing more obtrusive was his size.

PART 4: AN AVENUE THAT FOSTERS CREATIVE THINKING

New and creative ideas are meant to be controversial, and people who portray these ideas are controversial, but they are also influential. Lincoln was never popular when he tried to abolish slavery, and Gandhi went to jail and was shot for advocating independence to Indians. But they were great people, people who removed what was accepted as right but was so innately wrong in the world, and abolished them, making it better for more people in our world to live for all coming time. Modern issues such as the inane nature of religion, LGBT rights, whether or not one can use what is supposedly vulgar language, and the meat-headed need to abolish porn, all have definitive solutions based on logic, and with many avenues presented in an educational system, these solutions will be presented in one humorous form or another, especially by several youths studying in an educational institution, capable of being very influential in the future. Talking about these solutions should be advocated and discussion based on these issues should be encouraged and condoned.

Admittedly there will be people who are rebellious but are completely ridiculous and dumb, who advocate something controversial that makes hardly any shred of sense or has any evidence to support it. Distincting those 2 types should be dictated not by rules, but by logic. Such people should not be derided upon because they are controversial, supposedly shamed their family and pissed off a great deal of people, they should be derided upon because what they are saying is stupid.

However obviously, rules are valued more than discourse. When I wrote my email as ‘[email protected]’ when you had to write a PERSONAL email address in a piece of situational writing, and was penalized for it not because it had some form of negative impact on anyone, or did not adhere to the rules of writing a PERSONAL address, but because ‘it is against the rules’ to write something ‘vulgar’. It is evident that the discipline in the school is more concerned about punishing the student than talking to the student about ideas and what he thinks, and generalizes every student who watches pornography and says vulgar language as sinful and unruly. Think of all the people in the world who do those 2 things, who are successful and influential (George Carlin, Bill Maher, Tj Kirk) and then you see the huge amount of lost potential in cultivating great people. The school and its employees collectively try to rid of controversy, sees thinking of issues that are deemed sensitive to the public and sticks a knife to its back.

The ability to speak about these types of issues is the soul of creativity, art and expression. You disagree with it, fine, but don’t even have the gall to portray yourself like you welcome and encourage such people. Don’t hold an assembly talk and say that you respect what Nelson Mandela stood for, when you really don’t.

PART 5: SWEET MEMORIES

So in my experience of being the rebellious, iconoclastic individual that I am. The most terrifying thing, much more than detentions, suspension or caning, was the vice principal, the vice-principal with an arrogance as big as his size, where when many principals and vice-principals were changed constantly, he stayed…. oh god he stayed… I have never seen someone so close-minded, pompous and repetitive in my whole life. I am absolutely awestruck at how one is able to convey the same sentence in the long span of 40 minutes, without any awareness that he has said the word ‘values’ more than 20 times. A student would feel threatened and intimidated in such sessions if it weren’t for the fact that he is overcomed with boredom. Praise whoever enlightened our dear vice principal on his horrendous oratorical skills, so that future batches would never be ‘graced’ by his presence during festivities held in the School hall. Many of my other peers, I heard whom were unfortunately plagued with bad results and had to meet him, were simply flabbergasted by how one human can dissolve to such a degree, with a pompous attitude and his ‘salt and water’ metaphor. How does one possess that level of monotony? If such a person is able to hold a position of power, then as history has stated, another Great Depression will befall us.


Then of course I recall the incident which I think had some form of deep, psychological impact on me. The time where I was compelled to read out the most insincere, hypocritical ‘apology’ out loud to my fellow peers, that was written by teachers, for a video that should be more abhorred for its stupidity than for its supposed racism, that was absolutely non-existent. I witnessed firsthand, things that were completely beyond my level of comprehension at that time, that was completely beyond my preconceptions of how a school worked,where rules of an official institution was dictated by the unreliable stupidity of the public, and where punishment was dictated not by logic, or by an understanding of a scenario, but because, a book says so. That ‘apology’ given two years ago, and the subsequent deletion of my first Youtube account was not a sign that I knew my ‘mistakes’ and wanted to ‘change for the better’, it was a sign that other people effectively made me say so. Never have I felt so much anger, unjust, and indignation for how things are, how people are and how it affected me and probably many others too. Before that I was passive, soft-spoken and enjoyed the supposed goodness of the world. Never again would I be the same.

Looking back in hindsight, bravo for that.

PART 6: DISCIPLINE

The school genuinely feels that maturity is dictated by one’s age, it has access to long pants that look strikingly good and is extremely comfortable, and yet one doesn’t grant a student those pants until they reach secondary 3 and 4. The pants become a sign of authority, power and a supposed wisdom above those who are younger. Age doesn’t make maturity, maturity makes maturity. Even as a junior I saw my fellow ‘seniors’ engaging in fights and tailoring one’s uniform so it would be virtually impossible to button it. I’m pretty sure I was more mature than them.

Also, when you are placed in an institution where every student is obligated to respect the teacher, and if any defiance is seen (Whether substantiated or not), one gets punished, students do not learn to genuinely respect someone based on their qualities and attributes, but through authority, based on age and the fear of being punished. We create an atmosphere where respect is demanded rather than gained. Has any teacher ever asked, is that the kind of respect that they want and value?

On a weekly basis, we see the loud Ex-Discipline master with his booming voice, that is heard across the whole school. Was this in the display in our recent open house? Because this is really one of the classic sights in our school. Using a loud voice shows that one has valued ordering people to obey instead of enlightening them on why they should follow some established rules. The offenders who were afflicted with our Ex-discipline master’s admonishment, from what I heard still repeat their offences. And of course that isn’t surprising, how do they know why what they are doing is wrong when one is more focused in punishing them, than educating them. It is shame how one values handing out punishments instead of helping a student distinct right from wrong, however based on my observations, they’re not sure of that themselves, restricted to a rule book that is primarily archaic.

But undoubtedly, the discipline committee did it’s job as it’s titular title suggests, it advocated discipline, which is following without question, without discussion and without intellgence. Truly in the name of democracy. Of course, we as a country values such disciplined people, who would follow any person in a position of power who are supposedly more intelligent in making decisions for them. We have a top-notch army with a plethora of equipment (Which is not used and is overspent on), a string of teachers and educators working to nurture students (With whom I have mentioned will never touch anything controversial with an 8-inch pole, in fears of losing their job, therefore hindering thinking and creativity) and thousands of office workers, who work tirelessly every week for the economic benefits of our country (Leading to us being one of the richest but unhappiest country in the world, how ironic isn’t it?)

Therefore with such a flawed disciplinary system in place, it creates an environment where understanding and discussion is not valued, And in turn, it reduces one’s willingness to indulge in creative endeavors like art. And then we wonder why is the arts scene in Singapore so weak and why aren’t Singaporeans creative and innovative people? This pervades the school atmosphere, which scorns the creative, the thinkers and intellectually adept, in favor of cultivating followers, brainless, dogs.

OVERALL

Of course in the long-term hopes of every students, we undergo all of this for the allure of gaining good results. A joy that is non-existent, or at least ephemeral. One gains as much joy from that as catching a ball with one hand, or finally unloosing one’s bowels and taking a very satisfying ****. And for that, we rot our brains in school, voiding ourselves from the ability to think, interacting with people we don’t necessarily like, and spending decades learning things we don’t necessarily want or need. No no, never again.

All of that to gain a piece of paper, that minimally guarantees a job of stability, a job where one follows a daily routine and gets a monthly salary, and a job, in my opinion, of sheer boredom and unhappiness. And they with the piece of paper, claiming that they have faired better in their lives, compared to fellow hawkers and construction workers. But I retort, at least they didn’t spend up to 10 years in a place they didn’t like, filling their brains with knowledge they never wanted. Some people say it’s a life they want, not for me. Some people they say it is worth going to school for over 10 years for such a life, no it isn’t.

CONCLUSIVELY

I’m so glad that the organisers of this prom opened up this avenue for all us graduands to share our final views on our 4 years of school life, and does not restrict it to only positive pandering and allows for more antithetical negative ones too (I hope).

Without the ‘undying’ help of the teachers and the people of authority, and their vicious punishment of me, I would not have gained a greater insight on the implications of the decisions that I made, and on the supposedly democratic, supposedly open-minded, completely conservative, archaic atmosphere of school. And fortunately (or unfortunately in your case), unlike many others, it did not stop me from, but heightened my passion to reveal and logically condemn the flawed established social structures that you advocate. I could make a whole career out of it.

I’ve learnt a lot. But it’s kind of like a starving child in Africa who has been hunted by wild animals daily. It’s quite miserable, but you sort of learn survival skills that you can’t learn anywhere else. But would I want to return to such a scenario? No.

Ultimately, these 4 years of experience in school, at least in my opinion, ****ing sucked.
 

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If you really had no soul you wouldn't worry about it. :)

On the surface, your answers are very ENTP. but Fi can seem T depending on the person's personal values. For example: an ENFP that believes the morally right thing to do is to make reasoned, logical decisions, or if it values learning and intellectual activity. Does this resonate with you?
 
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I have some Fi dom/aux friends and their thinking style is very different from mine, they usually tend to take criticisms very personally. If you try to criticize them, they will immediately snap at you and flung back a bunch of criticisms onto you. Hell hath no fury like an Fi scorned!
Hah, yeah that's my dad. My INFP friend hides everything but dad broods like he means it. Drives me and mother insane espeically taking into the account that critisism is more often towards methods/ideas and not the person/personal attack.

ENTP sounds right. I'd also like to show you this video, this guy in the video here is a great example of an ENTP, and you might find yourself identifying a lot with his thinking style:
I have a bit of a hard time getting my type by relating since I often can't be sure if I just like someone or relate to them. Or both. Well that and I relate to many things in others. Or I just empathize with them without actually having anything in common. Ugh. Doesn't work for me well. I get his methods of explaining, thought. I also can relate to being in the culture that speaks dialects.

He is only 13 years old when he did the first video btw. He is so passionate about his ideas that he often has this tendency to ramble on about his ideas non-stop, he often share his ideas and upload his videos on youtube. He also has a huge love of debate and he isn't afraid to debate on controversial topics. There are many times when he actually ended up offending people due to his tendency to debate on controversial topics all the time. For example, he recently uploaded a video about himself cursing at the government in my country, like how the government swallowed people's money and uses the money for their own advantage. He not only bashes on the government, he also bashed on Christians and the bible etc.
If you are an ENTP, I think you will be able to identify with this as well. That strong need to debate on controversial topics, saying things that people are afraid to say just for the sake of stirring up debates.
God, I love debating. But debating for me means that other person participates too. If it becomes "I can see that you are defensive now and probably feel like I am attacking you" it just loses fun for me. It becomes one-sided fight and angry shouting in making.

If an ENFP ever get into debates, they would avoid controversial topics due to their Fi. The Fi in them often have this tendency to attach their personal identity to controversial topics in debates, and they often have difficulty not taking such debates personally, unlike ENTPs who are able to detach their personal identity from such debates. Let's say if an ENFP is a vegetarian, and you started debating with the ENFP and saying how people have the rights to eat animals etc, the ENFP with Fi would start taking it very personally and start getting their feelings hurt over this. ENTPs on the other hand would be able to detach their feelings in this situation and debate from an objective perspective.
Ugh, that happens often. I feel like I can't communicate that "I am not attacking you as person but just the idea or theory of yours" properly. Which leads to the scenario above which kills the point of the "debate" for me.

 
Anyways, I recalled trying to hang out with what is considered the supposedly ‘cool’ people, with cliques that reach the dozens and then feeling so empty afterwards, even more empty than when I was alone with no one to talk to.

Many don’t realize, but popular people and people in huge cliques don’t engage in any communication that actually forges a relationship. They talk a lot about where to take pictures, where to go, academic results and the weather, but they don’t talk about the really good stuff like feelings, plans for the future and hopes. At least…. Not nearly as much as I wanted. And how can you, when the most effective communication is between 2 people, and you’re surrounded by so many people you barely know about other than the information presented on their facebook profiles. It’s ironic how one can have so many people to go out with, but still feel so lonely. What’s magical is that although I was alone most of the time, I don’t think I ever felt lonely.
Wow, that's my late mid school experience. I stopped talking about stuff exciting for me (especially since around that time nerdy/geeky stuff became uncool for your age) and tried to fit with cool kids too but it left me so empty I just regressed into bad girl delinquent in the high school. I did ended up with 2 good friends - INFP and ENFJ stuck with me.

One time I even felt that I needed to openly rebel against the E maths teacher in class, so that I could retain a decent E maths mark, never have I seen a string of Maths exercises so repetitive and useless provided by a teacher, and I cry for anyone who thought that it was efficient to spend 7 hours doing 120 quadratic equations, and then wondering why they didn’t score well. When my mark for E maths was reduced from 90 to 80 in CA2, because I postponed studying for E maths due to me progressively losing zest in learning E maths and putting off learning the new chapters and reviewing the syllables 2 days before the exam, my dear E maths teacher said something along the lines of ‘maybe you wouldn’t have done so bad if you did my work’.No , that was the reason why I didn’t do even worse.
Holy crap, this is the reason I lost any drive for math.

Most of my academic achievement is attributed to learning outside of class by myself, in the comfort of my room Which is very ironic considering the titular reputation of school as an ‘educational institution’, you would expect it to be more responsible in educating you in the syllables than yourself, especially since you spend so much more time there in a day. I’m very sure that the ex-students that come back to visit the teachers do so not because they were good teachers, but because they might have been good people, who were nice, social and funny. But were they effective as educators, who made learning fun and managed to involve the students in thinking and the acquisition of knowledge? No.
Same.

The most common thing I hear from teachers is that I’m not ‘mindful of my words’ because whatever I say always comes out as condescending and insulting to them. However, I think my fellow teachers misunderstood the point, those words were so obviously meant to be insulting. So in that regard, I am actually very mindful of my words.
Oh, yeah. I was reprimanded for this a lot.

Never been in the club because I've expected something like this out of it aka I could do better on my own.

I get the censorship school-wise. Don't think this is much of type, more of a value thinking or something. I've always had a foul mouth thought. Now I have a wonderful ability to curse on English when nobody gets exactly what I'm saying.

Also, when you are placed in an institution where every student is obligated to respect the teacher, and if any defiance is seen (Whether substantiated or not), one gets punished, students do not learn to genuinely respect someone based on their qualities and attributes, but through authority, based on age and the fear of being punished. We create an atmosphere where respect is demanded rather than gained. Has any teacher ever asked, is that the kind of respect that they want and value?
Yup.

His school sounds more militant than mine. We had no uniforms, thank God for that. And I avoided "must be present" big events.

That's sounds like a shitty shcool exp. I had home problems and health problems in addition to that and started developing anxiety and phobias then. He looks like he will pull through without being fucked up too bad. You go lil ENTP friend.
 
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For example: an ENFP that believes the morally right thing to do is to make reasoned, logical decisions, or if it values learning and intellectual activity. Does this resonate with you?
I define my morality as situational. I can't really say I have strong stance on things, I need to get situation, examine it then derive to conclusion. I don't think that my decision in the end is the most objective or the best one. Especially since I often make decision based on selfish motivation (e.g. wanting something out of the situation for myself) or looking for how it would affect my family and friends rather than trying to be just. Generally speaking I dislike dealing with ethic dilemmas and tend to ask help from people whose judgement on the matter I trust. I get asked in return too and of course I answer but I always try to present my reasoning behind it and note that I am not 100% set or certain on this. Though the later one might be the result of a few times I've fucked up badly and pushed for my judgement on people-related issues that backfired real bad, hah. I have tendency to cut people away from my life and I am very protective towards my family and close friends whom I elevate to the "family" status. So if my close ones have some non-fremily people related problem I instantly take their sides and advice on cutting problematic individuals out of their lives. Which goes against my "all problems can be solved if you try enough time" philosophy but somehow with people it's like this. Anyway, advising this is a bad idea since after all it's their feelings that are on the stake but my instinct goes "protect family, screw others".

Also I can't say that I make a point out of valuing learning. It's just a thing that happens to me. Does it make sense? I've never really um defined my self-worth by knowledge especially since I am often actually content by knowing surface and/or "random" parts of the "puzzle" and just pushing off that into my own la-la land. I don't feel a need to get an exhaustive knowledge. I want to know more but not necessary deeper. Quantity over quality and all that. Yey, shallow me. Anyway building something/trying to make a sense out of bits and pieces is more interesting than just knowing. If there was a device that could just upload knowledge into your brain I'd hesitate. Well, I guess I'd get the basic most boring parts of any field uploaded right away but things more deeper or complex are too much of a fruit to just know. Don't like rushing the process of getting to know, basically. Tantric learning.

It's like I get pieces--->makes a wobbly network--->something doesn't make sense--->ask google read--->more pieces--->stick it into the network--->...stale...--->need more--->abandon the ship--->make a new ship--->ship has holes--->look for more pieces--->ships is sinking--->make it into a plane--->scrap the plane--->build a spaceship--->so on

^I live for this.
 

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I'm running in circles. This looks like Ti even to me. God I love my new avatar. Just like me - loves to wash things, lives in the almost literal dumpster. A trash baby.
 
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