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Intuitively, I'd say I behave more like an INTJ, but 4 in 5 MBTI tests I take, give INTP as a result.

As for external points of view, both, my family and my boyfriend are certain the INTJ type description fits me best.

I think I'm too structured and too opinionated to be an INTP, but why would all the tests suggest INTP? There has to be a reason.

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Enneagram: 8w7, Tritype: 854 sxsp

Jungian Cognitive Function quiz results:

http://i.imgur.com/mdwRlQl.png

Probably not a right way to analyse this, but notice how the sum of the scores of the 4 main functions of each MBTI type gives a significantly higher number for INTJ than for INTP (TiNeSiFe vs. NiTeFiSe)

Link for anyone interested: cognitivequiz.com

Also, excuse my English, not a native English speaker.
 

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Intuitively, I'd say I behave more like an INTJ, but 4 in 5 MBTI tests I take, give INTP as a result.

As for external points of view, both, my family and my boyfriend are certain the INTJ type description fits me best.

I think I'm too structured and too opinionated to be an INTP, but why would all the tests suggest INTP? There has to be a reason.

Additional info:

Enneagram: 8w7, Tritype: 854 sxsp

Jungian Cognitive Function quiz results:

http://i.imgur.com/mdwRlQl.png

Probably not a right way to analyse this, but notice how the sum of the scores of the 4 main functions of each MBTI type gives a significantly higher number for INTJ than for INTP (TiNeSiFe vs. NiTeFiSe)

Link for anyone interested: cognitivequiz.com

Also, excuse my English, not a native English speaker.
I suspect you're more likely INTJ than INTP simply in your presentation style. As an INTP, I get INTJ about 4/5 times, including EVERY time I take a test based on the dichotomies (J vs P).

The reason is that the questions used for J vs P tend not to reflect Ne vs Ni but Se vs Si. So we get tons of questions like, "do you go to the same restaurants or would you prefer trying something new?" and many INTJs choose the Se answer (which is also the P answer) of trying something new and lots of INTPs choose the Si answer (the J answer) of the same restaurant. INFs also are commonly mistyped for this same reason.

If you want more complete feedback, answer one of the questionnaires at the top of this forum (Entropic's or Jinsei's are my favorites). As a Ti-user, there's only so much I can glean from test results.
 

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Thank you for your reply.
The reason is that the questions used for J vs P tend not to reflect Ne vs Ni but Se vs Si. So we get tons of questions like, "do you go to the same restaurants or would you prefer trying something new?" and many INTJs choose the Se answer (which is also the P answer) of trying something new and lots of INTPs choose the Si answer (the J answer) of the same restaurant. INFs also are commonly mistyped for this same reason.
Haven't thought about it that way, could be possible.
If you want more complete feedback, answer one of the questionnaires at the top of this forum (Entropic's or Jinsei's are my favorites). As a Ti-user, there's only so much I can glean from test results.
Here's Entropic's one:

1. Is there anything that may affect the way you answer the questions? For example, a stressful time, mental illness, medications, special life circumstances? Other useful information includes sex, age, and current state of mind.

I tend to overanalyse questions, and sometimes give more weight to my behavior in particular situations instead of the big picture. Also, when I'm stressed (this isn't unusual, I study a Master's degree in a highly competitive University, so it's really hard to feel special or accomplished), I tend to become scattered, and lose interest in being the organized person I usually am when things are calm. For example, I like being punctual, and care greatly about my physical appearance (I exercise a lot, eat healthy, and invest considerable money in clothes/beauty products), but when I'm overloaded with homework and exams, I can easily arrive to class 10-20 minutes late, sometimes without taking a bath, and I obviously don't make my weekly To-Do lists, which I enjoy ticking off when I'm not so pressured.

2. Study these two images here and here. Which one do you prefer and why? How would you describe it?

The beach, but my preference is subjective. Of all the places, beaches are where I feel happiest.

I like the dark colors of the picture, and the fact that there aren't any people present. If I was there, I'd feel lucky to have this view for myself, without any noise but the sound of the sea.

3. Please describe yourself as a person if you were to introduce yourself to someone else like in a cover letter. What kind of person are you and why?

Intense, reactive, goal-oriented, stubborn and introspective.

I like things my way, and I'll invest a lot of time trying to get the other person to understand why I'm right when I perceive that person isn't being objective. When I want something, I usually end up getting it one way or another.

When I'm calm, I'm usually a quiet person who enjoys reading books or playing videogames.

4. What kind of person would you LIKE to be? Why? What kind of person would you NOT want to be? Why?

I'd like to be less reactive, and more empathetic. I've hurt some important people in my life, including my family and my boyfriend because of my behavior and my lack of empathy. I want to understand better the feelings of the people who are important in my life.

5. Do you think there are any differences to how you described yourself and how people actually perceive you? How do you think others would describe you? If there are any discrepancies between these two that are you are aware of; do you know why exactly that is?

People perceive me as cold, but I'm not. I do have feelings, I just get them from different sources than most people (such as music, ideas, movies some would call pretentious, quotes, etc).

6. What in life do you find to be of importance? Why? If you are unsure you can always take the Value Test and post the results here. Do note that it helps if you narrow it down to 20 or ideally 10 values as suggested at stage 2.

Results:

1. Strength (11 votes)
2. Freedom (10 votes)
3. Depth (10 votes)
4. Intelligence (9 votes)
5. Loyalty (9 votes)
6. Willfulness (8 votes)
7. Resilience (8 votes)
8. Success (7 votes)
9. Congruency (6 votes)
10. Self-control (6 votes)

7. How do you react to new situations in your life? Can you describe an event in your life where you were in an unknown situation? How did you deal with it?

It really depends, can't think of any example right now.

8. Please describe yourself when you are in a stressful situation. How do you act and why? Real life experiences are welcome.

If I know a stressful situation is coming, I plan ahead, and when the time comes, my planning helps me to control my actions. If a stressful situation is spontaneous, my reactions usually are really stupid, it's if like I lost half of my IQ.

9. Please describe yourself when you are in an enjoyable situation. How do you act and why? Real life experiences are welcome.

I'm calm, and reserved. I try to enjoy the moment "in my head".

10. Describe your relationship to socialization. How do you perceive one-on-one interaction? How do you perceive group interaction?

I'm an introvert, but I taught myself to be more extroverted. I still get really nervous when I have to give a presentation, though, but I control this by careful planning of what am I going to say, wear, etc.

11. Describe your relationship to society. What are the elements of it you hold important or unimportant (e.g. social norms, values, customs, traditions)? How do you see people as a whole?

A friend once told me: "do a lot of favors and ask for a lot of favors". Society provides us with shortcuts to get what we want. We all need each other. Social norms are a downsize, but you can always ignore some of them, or pretend to respect them. It's not that hard.

12. Describe your relationship to authority. How do you perceive authority? What does it mean to you, and how do you deal with it?

Doesn't mean anything to me. I have my own set of moral principles, and I behave accordingly, but if I need to break a law or a rule in order to achieve something, I do it, and feel no regrets. The only thing that has stopped me sometimes is the possibility of getting caught.

13. Describe your relationship to order and chaos. What do order and chaos mean to you? How do they manifest in your daily life?

I like chaos in my head (when I don't need to use it for something productive), and order in my daily life.

Chaos in my head: ideas and feelings.
Order in my daily life: having a schedule, making plans, etc.

14. What is it that you fear in life? Why? How does this fear manifest to you both in how you think and how you act?

Fear of weakness. I think there are no situations in life that are impossible to get over, one just has to be strong enough.

15. What is it that you desire in life? What do you strive to achieve? Why? Where do you think these drives and desires stem from or are inspired by?

My desires are pretty simple: I want to finish my Master, work for 2 years, do a PhD, buy a house, and have a lot of money to do whatever I want, and not depend on anyone.

16. a) What activities energize you most? b) What activities drain you most? Why?

Energize: Understanding something new, learning, having new ideas, thinking and having conversations about the nature of the human being, philosophy, winning, meeting interesting people, people who "feel" the same way I do (example: people who get the same undescribable emotions from a specific movie or song as me).

Drain: Social activity with people who are loud, interrupt, and are inconguent in their thinking. In this kind of situations, I can be very rude.

17. Why do you want to know your type? What type do you think you are? Why this/these type(s)? Is there a type that appeals to you, to your self-perception, that you would like to be? Why? If you know your enneagram, please post this here. If you have done any online function tests such as the Keys2Cognition, it helps if you post these results here as well.

I want to know my type because I think it can help me to understand myself better.

There isn't any type that "I would like" to be, that's pretty lame.

Enneagram: 854, 8w7, sxsp

18. Finally, is there something else you find to be of importance you want to add about yourself you think might be of relevance when helping to type you?

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You're definitely a Te and Ni user. INTJ>INTP for sure.

Also, when I'm stressed (this isn't unusual, I study a Master's degree in a highly competitive University, so it's really hard to feel special or accomplished), I tend to become scattered, and lose interest in being the organized person I usually am when things are calm.
is very much inferior Se.
 
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