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I've found myself recently for the first time as a "boss" in an official capacity. Where I'm not just supervising an employee for other managers but in charge of hiring, supporting, disciplining, and (hopefully not) firing.

How are you as a boss? Does your natural ENFP quirkiness and playfulness come out? Or do you have a professional persona that manifests? Maybe the responsibility makes your tougher, colder, or keep a professional distance?

Interested in those of you who are/were managers and how you acted to your employees. Maybe some areas you wished you could have been different or better?
 

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I've found myself recently for the first time as a "boss" in an official capacity. Where I'm not just supervising an employee for other managers but in charge of hiring, supporting, disciplining, and (hopefully not) firing.

How are you as a boss? Does your natural ENFP quirkiness and playfulness come out? Or do you have a professional persona that manifests? Maybe the responsibility makes your tougher, colder, or keep a professional distance?

Interested in those of you who are/were managers and how you acted to your employees. Maybe some areas you wished you could have been different or better?
I fell in love with them and they fell in love with me as a result they were happy to do the things needed and I was happy to be there for them. It was a temporary position and a lovely group. It was too exhausting for me I would not be able to keep this up as a long term thing. Extroversion helps here I imagine.
 

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I fell in love with them and they fell in love with me as a result they were happy to do the things needed and I was happy to be there for them. It was a temporary position and a lovely group. It was too exhausting for me I would not be able to keep this up as a long term thing. Extroversion helps here I imagine.
I believe Extroversion is the main score on the (E/I) (N/T) (F/T) (P/J) scale that most benefits people in general in everyday life. To be extroverted is celebrated in many countries. Culture puts pressure on people to be extroverted and it does help. I have many introverted friends and have traditionally only dated introverted women and I see how in the public sphere they can get visibly nervous, uncomfortable, or drained. I feel bad for introverts.
 

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I believe Extroversion is the main score on the (E/I) (N/T) (F/T) (P/J) scale that most benefits people in general in everyday life. To be extroverted is celebrated in many countries. Culture puts pressure on people to be extroverted and it does help. I have many introverted friends and have traditionally only dated introverted women and I see how in the public sphere they can get visibly nervous, uncomfortable, or drained. I feel bad for introverts.
We have it easier in other ways - such as living in a cave would be far more easier for an introverted person:) Or having to live in an Arctic base for four months with no company and many other situations live throws at you on daily basis:)
 

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We have it easier in other ways - such as living in a cave would be far more easier for an introverted person:) Or having to live in an Arctic base for four months with no company and many other situations live throws at you on daily basis:)
Any (potential) joking aside, that's legitimately a great point.

You INFJs are also outstanding at "doorslamming" me when I attempt to date you ;-)
 

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First - congrats! :) It's not coming to be easy but definitely interesting and challenging for you :)

I'm not working as "boss" but do lead projects if there is anything bigger on the table. In past I've been team lead too.

What I've noticed, some natural abilities do help here which I'm using (and which most likely apply for you too as much as I know about you :)

* enthusiasm and keeping peoples morale high even in tough situations - even got compliment about that in my current very tough project which will complete soon.

* playfulness and throwing in jokes. One girl in the project team said that it's good to be member of my team as everything seems so easygoing even if the situation is tense - no blaming each other, no focus on bad things.

* it's quite easy to organize tasks and share them to people. Bonus: you don't have to deal with all boring details of the project by yourself - remember it's still inferior Si :p One guy even said I can assign even "bad tasks" which nobody wouldn't want to do (but somebody just has to) so that people would in overall still feel rather positive about that.

* Fi+Te makes me somewhat cold/tough person when needed so when situation requires it, I have no problem to be "emotionally cold" and isolate myself from what external world expects us to feel - this is sometimes good for solutions in not so good situations. Same Fi+Te has no issues to apply a slight pressure to other people when needed. Though, in overall I always prefer diplomacy when possible. This Fi+Te part was more rough/harsh in the past but now much more "refined" and I can quite easily mask it so that it looks like diplomacy.

* Ne of course :) You will almost not need to prepare much for tougher situations, meetings etc as when you start talking, it's more and more fluent like some higher force just puts right words in your mouth :) It often relaxes people. I always knew this "mode" existed but in my twenties didn't yet know how to conciously "summon" it :)

* knowing differences of people so that you can organize suitable work for suitable people - ie for "big picture thinkers" you assign vague bigger tasks which have much space to think about solutions while detail-oriented person can be much better than yourself in monotonous repetitive tasks which could kill yourself :) I think some knowledge about MBTI helps a lot in such types of work as you just need to know what makes people different and makes it easier for you to adjust things according to that.

Our downside is details (but those types of work sometimes just require dealing with them) and I somewhat suffered from that when I was younger - I never liked to create detailed or strict plans as it felt just pain in the ass. And project isn't called project for no reason - it always has vagueness so that why to create detailed plan when it changes often anyways, right :) This aspect though improves with age and experience so now it's not a big deal for me any more. And I started to realize at some point that plans could be useful as not every other person can see that big picture goal immediately - some people just need those details to complete their work.

About your question if you have "proffesional persona" for that - nope, it's just who I am :) As you see, much of that above are just average ENFP traits and thinking patterns. One more advice: I don't know if that's your struggle at all but in past I sometimes made a mistake that I grabbed too much on my own shoulders - definitely do share more responsibilities with other people but communicate it clearly that now this is THEIR responsibility :)

"You're hot and you're cold" - words from Katy Perry song if I remember them correctly :)
 

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Just adding a little bit - those things above probably wouldn't work very well in absolutely every area of job as for example in assembly lines, simple jobs without much knowledge needed etc people are quite different and might need different approach. For example one of my relatives leads production in furniture producement factory and says that nope, those people come to work only because they have to and not because they want to :) So they wouldn't even move themselves unless somebody controls them. But as I know your area of job is approx similar to mine, our natural abilities suit well there :)
 

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First, congrats! You will do great!

It might not be really the same, but I do now spearhead a project and responsible with planning, recruiting and running papers. Everything, really. And some other things that I'm sort of a boss. What I noticed are:

1. Enthusiasm and quirkiness motivate people.

Enthusiasm and passion are contagious, you can't have enough. One of the best way to jointing different people is not to be what they wish to see (serious leader, kind and forgiving whatever) but be yourself, be passionate. It will guide people to you, right people.

2. Be as harsh as you are kind.

Leaders are harsh position. You are trusted by people to make the decision, the final decision. You might be quirky or kind or enthusiastic, but when you have to be harsh be like a storm. You must make tough call, tactical decision, without any regret. If you have to pull sword and fire employees, so be it. Reward with kindness and punish with ruthlessness.

3. Be decisive.

It's one of our Achilles heel. As Ne-dom, we tend to see both side of argument and that makes us question our decisions on daily basis. We need to tone this down. It's fine that you can't arrive at decision quickly, take time and ruminate only announced decision when it's really the final one. In the meeting and conference, you have every right to sit and ruminate on choices. People will understand and wait for your call.

4. Our natural ability to see through people, use it.

Sometimes, it's inevitable that our employees or teammates are turning against each other, or turn against us. It's our ability to 'know' where to put people and how to shift them to where every you want. It's a good skill. Another thing is our unpredictability will help making everything much more alive and everyone wonders "what he will do next".

5. Never lose sight of who you are.

Nothing to be said here, it's self explanatory.
 

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Strengths:
1. Clear vision for growth and development
2. Excellent problem solving
3. Training and instilling passion-- well beyond what is expected. This is the part that people were blown away by.
4. Monitoring what is going on with lightning precision (now whether I told anyone that I knew exactly what they were up to was another story).

Weaknesses
1. Communicating anything negative
Communicating the vision was difficult too. How do you give a picture of what is possible to others who can't Ne? This was something to really work on. How to do things when things are so intuitive for me is difficult too. As long as I wrote things down in Si steps for others it was okay.
2. Instilling fear of punishment-- it's hard to not just want to instill a feeling of being equal with everyone.
3. Continuous paper-work. I could and did... but ...ugh.
4. Delegating-- in fact I was working almost 3 different job descriptions. Before I left I had to train others on all of this and they actually felt honored by it when I did hand it off. It was a ton of work to train them, but they were ready at that point when they hadn't been before. Honestly, I might have just not delegated it because I knew trying to communicate what I wanted was so difficult.

I also think Si peeps don't learn well from example. I was always trying to do that with their customer service. Instead, I think you have to discuss it and write it down. I know more about Si learning style now. It's really only Ne that feels like it can go ahead and do what it sees. Ne says "I can do this, right?" while we are already doing it. Si and Ni both want to feel like they know what is wanted before they go ahead and Si wants to see their mentor's face while they try it and are doing it. It's the MBTI neuroscience stuff that backs me up in what I'm saying here.

I'm kind of glad I'm not a manager anymore, although I really liked running systems and gathering demographic data and improving things and starting programs and it is very special to me that I made a positive impact in an area I am so passionate about for many people. I didn't like knowing the crap that people were doing (also the good stuff!) but I didn't like knowing the crap and not feeling like I could communicate that I knew about their crap. It made me angry a lot with nothing that I was wiling to really do about it more than what I already was a lot of the time. Also, a lot of your decisions get conjectured about and wrong assumptions of course are made and that's really annoying too. The simple "That's what's best for the company, our clients, and YOU." never was really thought about.... there's always some hidden personal angle, right? I was and am absolutely passionate about that program and what we were doing.
Anyway, that was all annoying. A lot would depend on your employees. I sure did enjoy making it a good place for my clients, the employees and working with great upper management there. If your upper management sucks, being in lower management will suck, btw, imo. because then you don't have the support to move forward with good things and you have to support a lot of lame ideas.
 
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