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What I'm wondering is: How much is one's own personality moulded by the way they look?

We're bombarded daily with images telling us what a beautiful person looks like, and a mean person, ugly, kind, weak, etc, so it stands to reason that everyone sees their own face in the mirror and draws a subconscious conclusion about the person they must be. The most obvious is the narcissists who know they look good, but if narcissists exist due to the love of their own reflection, it's damn near obvious that folk must also exist in other ways that mirror their own perception of self.

And so we then need to ask ourselves: How much does our own reflection play a part in personal psychological development, and does this development class as nature or nurture?
 

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What I'm wondering is: How much is one's own personality moulded by the way they look?

We're bombarded daily with images telling us what a beautiful person looks like, and a mean person, ugly, kind, weak, etc, so it stands to reason that everyone sees their own face in the mirror and draws a subconscious conclusion about the person they must be. The most obvious is the narcissists who know they look good, but if narcissists exist due to the love of their own reflection, it's damn near obvious that folk must also exist in other ways that mirror their own perception of self.

And so we then need to ask ourselves: How much does our own reflection play a part in personal psychological development, and does this development class as nature or nurture?
I think extremely few 'handsome' people get their confidence from their own perception. They rely on constant approval, positive feedback from others, 10x more than they do on their own personal judgement. Standards exists 'out there' like you said - and if you don't KNOW THYSELF, all you got for measure is that public opinion, and you'll end up behaving accordingly because they all say so and oh God it must be true.

The problem I think isn't exactly that 'public dependency' exists; it's the proportions:

(1) The degree in which our own judgement depends on Image. Yes, it's almost impossible not to be sensitive to social comment (unless you're an actual narcissists); but if honest and proper introspection tells you you're actually such and such, you better believe it for at least 50%.

(2) This one is more tricky (to explain and apply): proper valuing of that feedback. If you 9 people tell you you're quality X and 1 person tells you you're quality Y - it doesn't necessarily follow that quality X is more true than quality Y. Popular opinion could be wrong, or at least perceive things differently. That 1 person may be the only one who clearly sees. One can radiate kindness - but express it in such a way that doesn't fit the stereotype of a "kind person", only for like-minded people to see. One can brim with intelligence, humor, creativity - but hit a wall about 90% of the time because it's not typically recognized as such. Beauty is another great example: if you're the "niche" kind of person, all you need is the approval of a small, small minority to defend yourself with what you know is 'the truth', against routine rejection. You can fall back on this knowledge that you know for yourself, have sifted out based on a the approval of that small percentage of people that you know have affirmed what must be your 'true self'.
 
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Last night I asked for dreams right before I went to bed, because I hadn't had any in a long time. My wish was granted. I got two clearly distinguishable ones in fact - one before I got up for some water and one after.
Not exactly happy dreams, kind of sinister. Both of them centered about two different female individuals. But I'm actually kind of grateful - and at the same time astonished - that all I had to do for some dreams was ask.
 

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What spiral dynamics color do you think you are in?

It’s an interesting system, but it has also been criticized for having a cult-like following.
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Some of these questions/options were actually really weird.

And yes, Yellow actually jumped out for me when I looked at this first:
https://www.govertvanginkel.nl/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/spiral-dynamic-image-scaled.jpg

A bit surprised I didn't score higher on Orange though, could've placed third.
Realizing now that Yellow + Green + Turquoise, as my first three, kind of make me a weirdo...

What are your results?
 

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Some of these questions/options were actually really weird.

And yes, Yellow actually jumped out for me when I looked at this first:
https://www.govertvanginkel.nl/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/spiral-dynamic-image-scaled.jpg

A bit surprised I didn't score higher on Orange though, could've placed third.
Realizing now that Yellow + Green + Turquoise, as my first three, kind of make me a weirdo...

What are your results?
I found the statements very hard to understand. Like corporate I Ching.

Social networks? Wrong!
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This looks like the only test I saw and it is very short and weirdly worded.

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Each color essentially represents a different sort of worldview.

At the most primal level, people are concerned only with their own survival and themselves like animals.

Basically most people living in developed countries are between Blue and Green with the mixing and what not.

Blue might be considered theocratic and conservative in nature. One characteristic is nationalism, focusing on one’s own civilization for survival, one’s own religion, etc.

Orange is much like the mainstream capitalist society portrayed by media. It’s all about winning, getting ahead, improving one’s own lot in life. More focus on rationalism and science.

Green is more like a collectiveness thing. Now we have more conscious of the needs of others. We realize that life isn’t all about money. It’s about caring for others. This is somewhat like what a socialist type person or politically correct person would fall into.

But you can imagine most people you know fall into those three.

Yellow is supposed to be the first step into “second-tier” thinking. It’s about systems-thinking, learning about the universe.
  • Overarching view of living systems
  • View life as a chaotic organism in which change is a constant and in which insecurity is an acceptable way of living
  • Integrative structures and evolutionary streams
  • The need to develop natural living environments that support human evolution in a step-by-step and phased way
  • Integration of head, heart and gut feeling
  • Focused on both process and content
  • Moves freely in different value systems
  • Change is a constant: it’s emergent and about long-term thinking
  • “Acupunctural interventions”; small actions with a big impact
  • Personal freedom without harming others or nature
  • Thinks and acts from an inner-directed core
Then there is Turquoise. Which is kind of going beyond yellow. Understanding the universe as a giant organism of interdependent parts.

Basically, you become increasingly woke as you approach Turquoise. On the other end of the spectrum you basically have no worldview other than my only goal is to survive.

Yeah, to say one is yellow or turquoise is kind of a statement because it means you are woke. The examples of people in turquoise are only Gurus, life teachers and so on. Yellow may be scientists, philosophers and of course could be anyone.

This is supposedly based on several decades of research. But I’m pretty sure it is also hijacked by new agers who inject their own nonsense into it.

It’s definitely an interesting question to ask yourself though. That is, what fundamentally is the world? To people from different colors, the answers of others are absurd.

To a Blue person, they may be a nationalist and believe that “Globalism” is a threat to traditions and culture. While a Green person may want to knock down borders and support people with healthcare.

Orange fundamentally sees the world as a giant rat race of markets and winning.

It’s interesting because at different points in your life, you may have been attached more to different ones, but you’ve definitely heard them before.

The wise life teacher may convince you that life is fundamentally not about making money. But alternatively, there are people who firmly believe material success is the reality. Any attempt to say otherwise is kind of like appeasing losers so they can feel like they fit in without competing.

So none of these colors are meant to be better than others. It’s almost like MBTI in theory, could be used for stereotyping and what not.

But nonetheless, still interesting to ask yourself that question because you’ve probably encountered different answers to it.

It’s pretty clear that some people seem to only think about some brand of politics, that’s just how their worldview is. On the other hand, some people avoid it. Looking at all these things you can a picture into different people and their world views.

The link I shared contains more descriptions, which are what I think are New-Ager like because of some weird solar talk.
 

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So none of these colors are meant to be better than others. It’s almost like MBTI in theory, could be used for stereotyping and what not.
I'm pretty sure there is some (if not pretty significant) correlation with IQ - perhaps with a personal twist to it, depending on goals, values, political orientation, etc.

They seem more like different layers of Truth to me, where turquoise ultimately has it down to the core of things.
 

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I guess most Intp's are gonna get yellow and/or turquoise but i find pretty dangerous to link that theory and political / religious tendencies ... the reality is alot more complex but reading about concepts as collective individualism xD ( turquoise) ... that sounds alot like the concept of liberty which U.s. expanded to the world ( thanks for that ) but almost any type can adapt and you can have turquoise people talking non-sense and not even knowing the concept of liberty ( me included xD ) .

Romantic definitions of funtions or perspectives to view/ analize the world just created a fictional segmentation .
Correlation with IQ ...maybe , There is not doubt that most Intps are above average in that regard but as other users said above ... the twist is actually what we are.

My problem with most personality theories is not about how you start but instead how can you reach your maximun potential. The starting point can be whatever really...
 

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I'm pretty sure there is some (if not pretty significant) correlation with IQ - perhaps with a personal twist to it, depending on goals, values, political orientation, etc.

They seem more like different layers of Truth to me, where turquoise ultimately has it down to the core of things.
It may seem so, but then there’s also crazy nonsense.

Say you are Orange, and view world rationally, truth is in logic and science. The Turquoise stuff is nonsense. That is like woke people saying that “Why is there something rather than nothing? Well actually there is nothing. That’s the true profound answer.” But will be completely unexplained in basic terms and won’t make a whole lot of sense. Basically any metaphysical statement like that probably don’t make sense.
 

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I got tired of looking at CNN news as they are all anti-Trump. I got that. So hearing of FOX news, I looked for and found it. They are all pro-Trump. This is ridiculous. Neither answers to the other. That has me not wanting to watch either.
 

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I got tired of looking at CNN news as they are all anti-Trump. I got that. So hearing of FOX news, I looked for and found it. They are all pro-Trump. This is ridiculous. Neither answers to the other. That has me not wanting to watch either.
yeah for sure ... I'm not american and i'm afraid to talk about Trump in a internet forum but if i just use the actual facts , there is nobody in the free world who criticize the political institutions , the military ideology , the communist ideology , less taxes , less goverment , fight againts China , ect [ He knows more about economy by far ].... as Trump ( He is an Entj , you can fight me if you want )

I actually listen to almost every speech from him [ The only politician which made that ], for me there is not doubt why he is the president of U.s. , Nobody of your shitty politicians can even compare to him ( I guess that's why the Republican Party changed its mindset and some smart Democrats are moving )

Using the facts he already should have two nobel peace prizes , nobody did what he did.

But yeah... from my perspective Fox isn't pro Trump they are just looking the facts .Cnn is a joke ... we just should listen to the leak audios from his owners .

Actually there is one point in which he believed before he was president and right now he never said it but overall he is an anti-politicians .
 

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Actually there is one point in which he believed before he was president and right now he never said it but overall he is an anti-politicians .
I don't know what "politician" means unless it means the establishment people who are in power. Trump is a politician in power and he pushes hard on what he wants, defying the establishment rules. Pushing hard may get things done, but doesn't mean those done things are all good for society. Pushing personal tastes over broad democratic wishes are not necessarily a good thing.

Pushing establishment power wishes, pushing my personal wishes, and pushing broadly different wishes of the mass populace are all different things.
 

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I found a website with a baby yoda lamp and decided to buy the lamp and a regular yoda lamp. Then I found a stormtrooper helmet and bought that as well.

Then I found avatar stuff, bought an airbender keychain since I already have an earthbender necklace. I also bought an appa and momo stuffed animal for added effect.

Then I wanted to buy robes online. So I went on amazon and found this hooded cloak type thing. Decided to buy that because it is supposedly extremely comfortable.

As an person afflicted by advertising, I’ve seen so much movies and TV including people who wear these loose garments and I never get to wear them myself. It is now my turn.
 

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I took off all my clothes except for my briefs and shoes and went down to the pond to feed the fish. Not many came but at least I got a little sun. Then I carried 15 5 gallon buckets of chips down there leaving 3 buckets behind for the next trip.
 

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Was that a random walk or was he pushed? And what was that vocalization? I tried to take notes and couldn't.
 

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When I live in the same place for a few months (or more) and begin to figure out a routine and acquire the basics I need to live there, etc., I start to go crazy. I find myself obsessing about trivialities such as matching towels, or stocking up on supplies.

Maybe other people consider this the good life (getting nice stuff and so on), but I always regard it as a sign that I've been there too long and it's time to move on.

Any other INTPs relate? Any theories re our function stack?
 
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