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This type description comes from Your Key to Sports Success (12th Edition, 2006) by Jonathan Niednagel. An updated edition is expected to be released later this year, and if you would like to know more about Jonathan Niednagel's Brain Typing system you can purchase the book from his web site, BrainTypes.com - Understanding for the new millenium.

BEIR / ISTP "Athlete"
artful with machines, tools, and hands; seeks action and excitement; superb tactician—seizing the moment; athletic, competitive, witty but usually not wordy; street smart; ever-thinking; can be intense with deep convictions; adaptive; fine motor skilled

Most athletes, if they knew the brain's functioning and then could choose a Brain Type, would choose ISTP. This Type is found in action oriented, coordinated, artistic people. They are masters with tools, no matter what kind - scalpel, chisel, brush, or baseball bat - no matter what size, tiny instrument or vast machine. When using instruments that require the use of the hands, the ISTP is a true artisan.
Putting the development of verbal skills on hold, ISTP children prefer activities requiring skill and strategy. They are risk takers, seemingly fearless as youngsters. On top of a jungle gym, out on a diving board, or in front of a pitcher, the courageous ISTP amazes peers and parents with his or her bravado.
Thriving on excitement and fast moving adventure, ISTPs usually appear quiet and reserved. It may take some years before anyone other than their parents can understand their mumbling. Not often conversationalists or communicators, they nevertheless win friends, limiting themselves to a few close ones. They tend to be generous, fraternal, and optimistic yet sometimes strongly resistant to authority; they love their freedom. At school, they generally apply themselves no more than necessary or as much as Mom and Dad insist, preferring to save their energy for another time.
Planning for the future does not appeal to ISTPs. They tend to plunge into matters, wanting to waste no time.
ISTPs are inquisitive and exploratory. They want to know "why," preferring a logical explanation. They will take things apart to investigate their inner workings. Fact gathering helps them learn many details about their interests.
If ISTPs learn submission and self control, they can fit into society well. If not, ISTPs can find themselves behind bars, losing the freedom they value so highly. ISTPs are capable of excelling in numerous vocations. No Sensing (S) type has greater academic potential. The female ISTP may be seen as a tomboy if she follows her natural inclinations.
ISTPs are realistic, independent, and spontaneous. They often need to improve communication with co-workers and loved ones, and stay on track with a course of action. Self expression will prevent them from "stuffing" frustrations to the boiling point.
ISTPs provide us some of the most thrilling ball games, the most daredevil exploits, some of the best art. ISTPs express life with color and adaptability.

Young ISTPs

Coaching youth teams for the past decade, I have been able to view closely the fledgling traits of all 16 Brain Types. ISTPs are often not the top sport type or athlete when young. Unless they are coached properly from an early age, awkwardness, uncertainty, and recklessness can characterize their performance in the formative years.
As Introverted, right-brained Thinkers, ISTPs often become fixed on thinking issues. This translates into freezing in the middle of an important play. A Little League shortstop catching a grounder with runners on base and then not knowing where to throw the ball is a good example. This normally happens because the inexperienced ISTP thinks before Sensing or seeing the play develop. Yet in the next inning, he or she is liable to get an extra base hit and make a spectacular catch, gaining restitution for previous error.
When you coach young ISTPs, your words often go unheard. ISTPs spend their thoughts picturing something in their minds rather than translating instructions into meaning. They learn best by doing, loving to get dirty and performing some daredevilry in the process. Do not expect them to answer your questions in a lengthy, articulate fashion as would an ENTJ or ENTP. ISTPs are laconic and generally answer in an inaudible mumble. They do their talking by performing boldly on the field.
Once the ISTP gets the "hang of it," he or she has the beginnings of a great athlete. Practice no longer becomes practice; it becomes necessary and fun. In fact, ISTPs often practice longer and harder than any other type. Former basketball great Bill Walton (ISTP) recalled his playing days:
Bill Walton said:
As a player, I would spend all my time working at it, not knowing it was work because it was so much fun.
My files are full of ISTP athletes and their tireless practice habits. Hours can seem like minutes when they get involved in the practice of their sport. All Types have phenomenal abilities to concentrate; their areas of interest differ, however. The ISTP is best at sports concentration.

Intense, Tough, Competitive
Don Mattingly also personified the intensely competitive ISTP when the cleats are laced up.
Former Yankee pitcher Bob Tewksbury said:
Check Donnie's eyes during a game. They're right out of a horror movie. He yells at opposing players. He paces in the dugout. I've never seen anyone compete with that kind of passion.
Don Mattingly said:
I don't actually dislike any opposing players, but I hate them when I play against them. Especially pitchers. You have to hate the guy. You have to get your mind into a sort of rage.
ISTPs often play the Dr. Jekyll, Mr. Hyde routine like few other Types. When they get serious physically, watch out. Just ask a few of the guys who have tried to fight Mike Tyson in the ring.
Don Mattingly's ISTP competitiveness was told by his brother:
Michael Mattingly said:
It doesn't matter if it's Wiffle Ball or chess, Don hates losing. I taught him to play chess when he was five. I wasn't bad for a ten year old, but he kept playing and playing until he could beat me. He simply refuses to lose.
The ISTP is not the only Brain Type who can have these traits. They will, however, possess them more strongly than any other Type in athletics. An ISTP's upbringing and present environment will play a major role in how pronounced these traits become.
ISTPs are intense competitors at whatever they value in life. Some control their outward emotions while some do not. An under control ISTP has been All Pro NBA guard, Mark Price. In April of 1990, however, Price was ejected supposedly for the first time in his life. Mark, who lists the Rev. Billy Graham as his idol, insisted he didn't swear at the referee. Even Chicago's Michael Jordan, playing for the opposite, said the worst language he ever got was "Bull." Aside from puns, ISTPs have the ability to remain cool, calm, and collected. (Coaching, however, can be a real test of control for the ISTP.)
Contrast Price's court demeanor to that of former NBA hoopster Scott Skiles in college. After ISTP Skiles led his Michigan State team to an upset over the Georgetown Hoyas, Skip Bayless of the Dallas Times Herald wrote of Skiles:
Skip Bayless said:
He did something I thought I'd never witness. He intimidated the pressing, breaking, taunting Hoyas. He simply took over . . . and even backed down 6-8, 240-pound Jonathan Edwards, who made the mistake of saying something to Skiles. Skiles answered by pointing at and cursing Edwards and ripping a jumper from maybe 30 feet.
Like Larry Bird, Skiles can be a jerk. A punk. A bully. A beer drinkin' blue collar redneck who won't take nothin' off nobody. He doesn't care if you're black or blue, he'll beat your butt in basketball.
ISTPs, by and large, are the most dependable athletes under pressure, owing to their superior physical and mental skills.
Manager Sparky Anderson once told what it was like to take ISTP pitcher Jack Morris out of a game:
Sparky Anderson said:
Jack used to break blood vessels in my hand when I'd go out to get the ball.
Fun-Seeking, Risk-Taking

Golfer Chris Patton was a hit at the 1990 Masters. The 6-foot-1, 300-pound Clemson student qualified for Augusta National by winning the 1989 US Amateur Championship. Patton played four days of superior golf and amazed the gallery with his ability to maneuver his corpulent ISTP frame. He told the press a story that would appear a tad risky to most Brain Types. It seems that he and his buddies would hold "range wars," in which they face off and exchange 4-iron shots from 100 feet (33 1/3 yards)!
Chris Patton said:
Aw, it's easy to get out of the way unless they start hooking.
I don't know what Patton's friends are like (although I'll bet a few are other SP risk takers), but I sure wouldn't want a 300 lb. ISTP hitting 4-irons at me!
Not all ISTPs are this venturesome, but be careful if you ever put a challenge to one; the ISTP might take you up on it.

Varied Personalities

We have just looked at a number of factors that are directly attributed to the unique functioning of the ISTP brain. Their brains are especially adept at controlling fine motor movements. ISTPs share similar cerebral activities in that they: are gifted at delving deeply into matters, perceiving them in a factual and practical way, evaluating them logically and synthetically; and preferring to remain flexible in their outer world while more structured in their inner world.
Let's not forget, however, that ISTPs, as well as all other Types, can have many different personality styles within their respective Brain Type. Culture and environment play a major role in developing one's personality.
Many good ISTP athletes are seen as aloof, confident, as private persons who are not very sociable, withholding smiles unless with close friends. Conversely, other ISTPs demonstrate more outgoing personas.

Masters of Deception

Deception often connotes a negative or bad image. Deception, however, is not always wrong - particularly in sports. Picture in your mind a running back juking by the linebacker, the batter faking a bunt, but at the last second, squaring around to swing away. Or the point guard looking to pass one way but dishing off the other.
ISTPs are masters of logical deception. They often feign one move, only to set up their opponents for a different tack. Often the difference between winning and losing comes from deception. One thing you can count on if you are ever competing against ISTPs in sports, they'll try to outfox you with split second timing.
Whether you engage an ISTP in war, boxing, basketball, badminton, or tiddlywinks, you had better be on your guard. They come with the mind and body to beat you.

Superstitious

ISTP athletes are often known for their superstitions, which can be debilitating to their play and perspective on life. They must realize their superior physical and mental skills do not need the burden of groundless notions.

Principled

As Introverted dominant Thinkers, ISTPs place a high value on logic, right and wrong, and principles. Though they can have difficulty in areas of self-discipline, ISTPs are known for taking self-sacrificing positions. If they believe in something strongly, they are one of the first to lay down their lives for a cause.
When former baseball and Boston Red Sox great Ted Williams was closing out his career in the 1960s, he had his worst season at the plate, hitting under .300 for the first time. His $125,000 salary was baseball's highest at the time. The Red Sox sent him a contract for the next season, matching the previous year's. When ISTP Williams got it, he sent it back with a note stating that he wouldn't sign it until they gave him the full pay cut allowed! He felt undeserving of the $125,000. Williams ended up cutting his own salary by 25 percent and in the following and final season of his outstanding career, he raised his batting average 62 points to .316. When ISTPs believe strongly in a principle, they are unwavering.

Vocationally

ISTPs are capable of pursuing many careers. Direction and success depend upon their self discipline and studying habits early in life. If they apply themselves academically, they can make straight A's through school (ISTP Gen. Schwarzkopf finished in the top 10 percent of his graduating class at West Point, measuring an IQ of 170.) ISTPs are often surgeons when they choose the medical profession.
ISTPs are highly adept at financial trading and investing (stock brokers, investment analysis, and so forth). Their risk taking, adaptable, logical minds serve them well in this capacity. I know a retired ISTP physician who has probably made more money in his stock investments than in his entire medical practice.
If ISTPs choose not to apply themselves academically, their career choices become much more limited. They can appear ignorant and illiterate, and lack the self discipline necessary to stay consistnely with a job. And, if they are not careful, their drive for expediency can land them in trouble with the law.

Type Tips

Despite their inherent superstar potential, ISTPs must devote many hours of practice to developing their athletic skills.
ISTPs will perform at their best when they keep their aggression and intensity under control. They must remember these assets can become counter productive if not kept in balance. ISTPs must make sure not to overuse their Thinking function. Excessive logical introspection will cause ISTPs to lose their fluidity and adaptability in sports.
The greatest assistance parents and coaches can provide ISTPs is mental and emotional. A calming influence in their lives will yield tremendous dividends. Teach sportsmanship to your ISTPs, not winning at all costs.

POPULAR CAREER CHOICES:
Construction, mechanics, machine operation, racing, aviation, surgery, sculpting, securities trading, finance, law enforcement, criminal investigation. ISTPs are the masters of tools and machines.
 

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ISTPs are RIGHT brained thinkers?
Certainly not me, I'm an ISTP and I think with my LEFT brain. Most men do. RIGHT brained stuff is for women.
Where did you get that information? I'm an ISTP and I think with my right brain - does that mean I think like a woman?

Feeling preferences tend to be associated with female gender roles and Thinking preferences tend to be associated with male gender roles, but the idea that the Left brain is associated with Thinking and the Right brain is associated with Feeling is outdated - scientific research has shown that logic and emotions are present in both hemispheres.
 

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Where did you get that information? I'm an ISTP and I think with my right brain - does that mean I think like a woman?

Feeling preferences tend to be associated with female gender roles and Thinking preferences tend to be associated with male gender roles, but the idea that the Left brain is associated with Thinking and the Right brain is associated with Feeling is outdated - scientific research has shown that logic and emotions are present in both hemispheres.

I realize that we use both sides of our brains, just that one side is better at some things than the other side.
Lateralization of the brain is generally accepted.
Most people are either right or left handed, showing hemispherical dominance.
Although 95% of right-handed people have left-hemisphere dominance for language, only 18.8% left-handed people have right-hemisphere dominance for language function.

Injury/trauma to one side of the brain can affect certain abilities and or change behavior, personality.

People with right prefrontal lesions have impaired foresight.

A person missing the left hemisphere of their brain will be blind in their right visual field.

The left parietal lobe is involved in sequential and logical-spatial abilities and appears to assist us in performing calculations.

So, I’m pretty sure the brain takes sides and I always thought that I was left brained. Am I wrong?

Well enough of that. Care to update me with some new research?

I recently read three good “Brain” publications.

"This Is Your Brain On Music" by Daniel Levitin

"Your Brain: A User’s Guide" by TIME Inc.

"THE BRAIN" by Discover Magazine.

 

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I realize that we use both sides of our brains, just that one side is better at some things than the other side.
Lateralization of the brain is generally accepted.
Most people are either right or left handed, showing hemispherical dominance.
Although 95% of right-handed people have left-hemisphere dominance for language, only 18.8% left-handed people have right-hemisphere dominance for language function.

Injury/trauma to one side of the brain can affect certain abilities and or change behavior, personality.

People with right prefrontal lesions have impaired foresight.

A person missing the left hemisphere of their brain will be blind in their right visual field.

The left parietal lobe is involved in sequential and logical-spatial abilities and appears to assist us in performing calculations.

So, I’m pretty sure the brain takes sides and I always thought that I was left brained. Am I wrong?

Well enough of that. Care to update me with some new research?

I recently read three good “Brain” publications.

"This Is Your Brain On Music" by Daniel Levitin

"Your Brain: A User’s Guide" by TIME Inc.

"THE BRAIN" by Discover Magazine.

OK, that sounds much better-informed than your previous post (statements like "RIGHT brained stuff is for women" sound like baseless generalizations). I'll admit that associating Left-brain dominance with "J" and Right-brain dominance with "P" (as Niednagel does) is not scientifically validated. But while language and sequential logic is associated with the left brain, holistic and visually-oriented functions are associated with the right brain, and Niednagel argues that "Ps" tend to fare better with the latter.
 

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Originally Posted by Sparky Anderson
Jack used to break blood vessels in my hand when I'd go out to get the ball.

That's the ¨from now on this is mine if you touch it you'll be dead¨ attitude. i have noticed this from my brother when me and him were playing soccer. i told him all the time just chill out this isn't worlds ending :laughing:
 

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Left brain=logic, right=creativity. Don't confuse the hemispheres. Anyway great advice, I am a high-school ISTP who is hoping to get on the tennis team (ambitious, right?). The description is very accurate of how we behave as athletes. I could do the same practice routine for hours if I didnt collapse in exhaustion.
 

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This article has a severe case ISTP syndrome. ISTP syndrome= All athletes are ISTP or Best athletes are ISTP. This article says 'most athletes would choose the ISTP brain type'. This is simply not true. There has been a lack of all time great ISTPs in history.Lebron James a SJ and he is better than Michael Jordon(ISTP). Tom Brady tested ENFP is the greatest NFL player. Michael Sumacher by most websites ISTJ is the greatest F1 racer. Rodger Federer by most websites is ENTP is the greatest Tennis player. Babe ruth most website say he is ENTP and is the greatest baseball player. Bruce lee is a ISTP but he is just actor not a real fighter. He would get beaten up by gracies who did ji jutsu and had great influence on the start of MMA. In fighting Mohammad Ali the greatest boxer is a Extrovert and is ESTP. Anderson Silva the greatest MMA fighter is ESFP.
 
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