I also seem to have the ENTP public persona. I suppose this is because when I force myself to be extroverted (like for a new social situation, a meeting etc.) I can send my Ne into overdrive to come off as charming and move things along at a brisk pace as well, while underneath there's still my calculating Ti, and my very well-developed Te. I imagine this is much the same for ENTPs as well except they do it naturally and without the draining effect it has on m energy reserves. I have mis-typed as an ENTP before.On topic : I often seem very ENTPish in public too.
Very useful behaviour that keeps people at the right distance, seduced but not able to get too close.
I am very conscious of my environnement ; not in a "Se" way though, more the paranoid awareness.
(like for spotting bugs on a wall or someone looking at you).
I do the same thing. lol Plus, many times I will pick an object up and immediately assess whether or not I could harm someone else with it. I have no idea why I do this, maybe self-defense mechanism. *picks up paperweight* "You could kill someone with this!" >_>I seem to have the "paranoid" environment-consciousness as well. I won't be pointing out things like "wow, look at that car, it's got such a nice color" or "the wind feels so good on my face" a lot, but I will notice things such as m spatial relation to objects and people, cars, the behavior of people around me, security cameras...I also unconsciously "map" out everywhere I go.
This is interesting. I also have a very well-developed Te, on par with if not slightly higher than my Ti, with Ne and Ni in second place. It's pretty confusing when I try to type myself, to say the least. Te=Ti>Ne>Ni=Si>Fe=Se>Fi is me, it seems -- pretty damn similar, ey?I also seem to have the ENTP public persona. I suppose this is because when I force myself to be extroverted (like for a new social situation, a meeting etc.) I can send my Ne into overdrive to come off as charming and move things along at a brisk pace as well, while underneath there's still my calculating Ti, and my very well-developed Te. I imagine this is much the same for ENTPs as well except they do it naturally and without the draining effect it has on m energy reserves. I have mis-typed as an ENTP before.
I seem to have the "paranoid" environment-consciousness as well. I won't be pointing out things like "wow, look at that car, it's got such a nice color" or "the wind feels so good on my face" a lot, but I will notice things such as m spatial relation to objects and people, cars, the behavior of people around me, security cameras...I also unconsciously "map" out everywhere I go. I'll often describe the security setup and potential security holes to my friends when we go places. I remember that when I was 14 I found a hole in the security at an art museum which allowed people to bypass security/payment/ticket check entirely. I told the person at the help desk and the next time I came back they'd fixed it.
Usually I'm very laid-back about scheduling, however when something is of significant importance, complexity, or involves enough logistics, I become a taskmaster of scheduling and planning, and become very forceful about it. Situations that get me like this are going on a day trip with friends, going to the airport etc. It may be somewhat hypocritical, as most of the time I'm "whatever" about plans and schedules, but I get annoyed when others' inability to plan efficiently and follow their plans interferes with a goal. I don't enjoy such scheduling or do it naturally (or often for that matter), but I suppose that I have trained myself to do as such when it really counts.
In a similar vein I have a tendency to be a leader in a similar way to an INTJ. I don't necessarily naturally crave leadership, and if someone who is competent is in charge I'm content to let them handle things, but more often than not, the leaders aren't up to my standards of competence, so I step in and take over. I would prefer it if everyone was competent and independent enough to not need a leader/be a follower, but it seems that in reality this is rarely the case, so I somewhat reluctantly step in for the sake of a good outcome. I also can't stand being dominated, so in some situations I compete for leadership just to avoid being dominated by someone whom I see as either my equal or inferior in competence.
As many others in the thread have said, I'm a big fan of the arts, especially music. I get be moved to a state of powerful emotion by art, though I never let it take over my actions or decision-making. I can rationalize the emotions away very quickly if need be.
In short, I'm a very INTJ-like INTP with an ENTP public persona who can turn into an ENTJ in very specific situations.
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I didn't think of it at the time, but I also have the center-of-attention thing going on. I'm thinking "Damnit! I know what I'm talking about and you would benefit from listening, so pay attention!" :tongue:This is interesting. I also have a very well-developed Te, on par with if not slightly higher than my Ti, with Ne and Ni in second place. It's pretty confusing when I try to type myself, to say the least. Te=Ti>Ne>Ni=Si>Fe=Se>Fi is me, it seems -- pretty damn similar, ey?
Your summary pretty much fits me, too, although my awareness of the environment depends very heavily on whether I'm alone or not. If I am, I map everything, plan everything etc.; if I'm not, I usually pay little attention. I suppose my mind is too busy using its functions on the thoughts involved in the conversation rather than surroundings.
Some things you wrote fit me to a tee: I act like an ENTP (mistyping evident in signature) but with energy drain and not nearly as aggressively as some of my ENTP friends. I take charge when I have to.
I also like to be efficient and improve myself all the time, something that is more of an INTJ trait, apparently. I like planning; a general outline and plan help me relax; then I just let my intuition loose. I also share your interest in music, classical music in my case.
I don't find security flaws, though, so maybe we were not cloned by an evil scientist after all.
Apart from what you've said, here are some more traits that are not very INTP-like:
I was a very affectionate child, and I still am affectionate (though I don't show it) which conflicts with INTP child descriptions.
I like being the centre of attention if I know what I'm talking about.
I have a huge collection of teddy bears and walk around wearing nothing but bio-degradable underpants. OK, that one's a lie :crazy:
I'm not sure what I am, but I'm veering towards XNTP with planning skills. But my ultra-high Te always makes me unsure.
Hmm, I wonder. I have only one very close Ne-dominant friend (ENTP), and when I'm with him, I suppose I do use Ne strongly (without as much of a drain); but then again, I do that with most of my friends. My ISTP friend is probably the most reserved of my friends, but I enjoy making jokes with him and talking about technology -- I don't really slip into reserved & quiet mode.An interesting note about the ENTP public persona is that I often go into Ne-overdrive when I'm around other Ns with whom I'm very comfortable, namely very close friends. I was with a trio of friends earlier today, for example, with two other NTs and an NF (probably an INFP). Around most people, even other friends, unless I have to go into ENTP mode (for the advantage, it's a tool), I'm relatively quiet and reserved, but with the right mix of people I just go into a very Ne-dominated, ENTP-like mode. It still drains me, just much more slowly. Do you do this as well?
is spot on :laughing: , and so is:I'm thinking "Damnit! I know what I'm talking about and you would benefit from listening, so pay attention!"
Also non-INTP, I think, is: I have a bit of an ambiguous relationship with academic success: On the one hand, I was keen to prove my intelligence to myself and others and did very well (I mostly just love learning, but I did care about exams, too); on the other, I am often very aware that society is just a human construct and that achievement really means little. Preparing for and excelling at school seems to be more common among INTJs; Te, perhaps?I'm still not sure which I am, so I've given up on typing myself until I have more information and/or have gained a better understanding of those elusive differences between Ni and Ne.
^^^In short, I'm a very INTJ-like INTP with an ENTP public persona who can turn into an ENTJ in very specific situations.
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