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This is a discussion on Do you have a religion or not? within the Type 3 Forum - The Achiever forums, part of the Heart Triad - Types 2,3,4 category; Originally Posted by click HERE I find it hard to be committed to religion because I have a hard time ...

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    Type 3

    Quote Originally Posted by click HERE View Post
    I find it hard to be committed to religion because I have a hard time doing things solemnly for others. For me, it's all about being better than everyone else. I would end up worshipping for my own gain rather than the gains of others.

    Does anyone else have this problem? State your religion and how you connect with it. Thanks!
    You should read the Quran, if only for what I'm about to say about being connected to everything/everyone. I identify strongly with what you say, worshipping for your own gain rather than the gain of others. I think that there are no selfless acts. I also think that Reality is One, so it doesn't really matter anyway. We are all connected and there is no escaping that how we affect others/the world, we are affected.

    My "religion" is the best of the religions. I've read the New Testament, the Quran, the Dhammapada, listened to the Upanishads and the Bhagavad Gita (they're on my reading list, will get to them one day), and read/listened to a number of assorted spiritual teachers across the main religions.

    The etymology of religion is something like one's own obligation or what one feels compelled to do. As stated above, I believe that we are all connected, and so my beneficence toward others can't help but me returned to me. Do I want the return? Yes! And I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I give to gain with one small caveat: I have surrendered the gain. If I get it or dont get it doesn't really matter to me. I have accepted death and the ending of life as I know it. One day, all that I "love" will be gone. I'm already dead, as the great warriors say.

    Another "selfish" part of giving and beneficence is the recognition and the admiration gained from it. People really love a giver. And yet it benefits the recipient and it great role modeling behavior. People want to be like that if they're worth anything.

    Some people really mess up a good thing like religion... "It's Jesus or hell!" "Sinner!" "No fun or pleasure on earth, you must wait for heaven!" ... And they dupe unsuspecting people who, to their detriment don't form their own opinion.

    The New Testament says all the law and prophets hang on, "Love the Lord your God with everything you've got, and love your neighbor as yourself."

    The Quran says, "those who believe and do good deeds will enter paradise and they will have nothing to fear and nothing to regret."

    The Buddha has said, "the righteous are happy here and Hereafter." And "those who think good and pure thoughts will do good and pure things, and they will be happy, and their happiness will *never* leave them [here or Hereafter]."

    The Bhagavad Gita says, "No one who does good deeds will ever come to a bad end, either here or in the world to come. When such people die, they go to other realms where the righteous live."

    Yet, what is a good deed? It is interesting that it is left up to the interpreter, and many differ over what it is. I take that as an invitation to come to my own conclusions.

    "Surrender [to God, Reality, Truth, whatever you want to call it]" is another key concept in the religions I've studied. Hinduism says that good deeds performed for the sake of gain are essentially negated.

    So, I think it's simple:
    1) surrender to God all of your desires (but still strive on toward what you want, just with detachment) & accept Reality as it is
    2) do good deeds & be a benefit to people, to life
    3) have faith in good things to come

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    Seems like the consensus so far is that 3's aren't so religious so sorry if I'm busting anything up.

    I'm a Christian. Questioned religion real hard as a young person but ended up believing in it, though with some changes in the ideals I'd been taught. It's deeply important to me.

    How I connect with it, complicated question. I mean yeah, church & all but church is not that important in my faith even though I go. The most real connections with God/my faith have been when I'm struggling with something. The best thing is when I sort of open myself up emotionally (which feels scary & I don't always do it) to the Mystery I believe is out there that we call God, it's like opening your eyes in a huge dark space and seeing if you see anything & believe it or not I do sometimes. I treasure those times. Sometimes in moments when I'm feeling a sense of worthlessness there's a lot of reassurance in that darkness, even a sense of being held. To me God offers the chance of getting past living for other people's attention, the chance of believing you really are worth something just in yourself, just in being a person. Someone's creation/child that they treasure.

    The other place I've found God is in my work. I'm a writer. It's complicated & maybe this is enough for today. But at moments of greatest inspiration as I write I've found a surprising sense that it isn't only myself at work.

    I do identify with the whole "making religion a competitive arena for being The Best in" pitfall as well though. I did that real hard in Bible college (oh Lord, Bible college... not necessarily a healthy environment esp for someone like me...) and it may have had a lot to do with the faith crisis that came after. Religion is only good for a 3 as a place to escape your ego, not indulge it for damn sure.

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    Type 8w9

    Quote Originally Posted by click HERE View Post
    I find it hard to be committed to religion because I have a hard time doing things solemnly for others. For me, it's all about being better than everyone else. I would end up worshipping for my own gain rather than the gains of others.

    Does anyone else have this problem? State your religion and how you connect with it. Thanks!
    religion in the larger sense, faith, belief systems, spirituality... its been a part of humanity , probably since we became self aware, conscious.

    people typically need something to believe in to keep them going. this mechanism has been used to control people and the mob.

    i dont think religion/faith/spirituality has anything to do with 'doing things solemnly for others'. actually, i find that when the individual is allowed to be the most selfish and ignore all outside voices but their own, they prosper... and if they prosper enough, that wealth is shared by those around them.


     
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