[Enneagram Type 3] Do you have a religion or not?

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  1. #1
    Type 3w4

    Do you have a religion or not?

    I find it hard to be committed to religion because I have a hard time doing things solemnly for others. For me, it's all about being better than everyone else. I would end up worshipping for my own gain rather than the gains of others.

    Does anyone else have this problem? State your religion and how you connect with it. Thanks!



  2. #2
    Type 3w2

    You choose to believe in it if you need an external motivation and guidance to do good or actually do something in life. To push you further. To help you be a better human, or a more productive being.

    I never cared about the religion. I don't need it. I have myself, and friends.

    Why do you think you need it?

  3. #3
    Type 3w4

    Quote Originally Posted by Apple Pine View Post
    You choose to believe in it if you need an external motivation and guidance to do good or actually do something in life. To push you further. To help you be a better human, or a more productive being.

    I never cared about the religion. I don't need it. I have myself, and friends.

    Why do you think you need it?
    You may have gotten the wrong idea. I enjoy your curiosity, however, so I appreciate you asking. I never thought I needed religion, but I grew up in a religious household, so I've always wondered why I'm the only one in my family who doesn't connect. I recently wondered if the enneagram had anything do to with people and their decisions of faith, so now I'm collecting data for myself based on the results I receive. Therefore, I thank you.

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  5. #4
    Unknown

    I don't find religion necessary. I also can't fathom personally connecting to it.

  6. #5
    Type 3w4

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaune Valjaune View Post
    I don't find religion necessary. I also can't fathom personally connecting to it.
    Really? Then, do you believe that there is any connection at all as to why people may join or remain in religious groups?

  7. #6
    Type 3w2

    Quote Originally Posted by click HERE View Post
    You may have gotten the wrong idea. I enjoy your curiosity, however, so I appreciate you asking. I never thought I needed religion, but I grew up in a religious household, so I've always wondered why I'm the only one in my family who doesn't connect. I recently wondered if the enneagram had anything do to with people and their decisions of faith, so now I'm collecting data for myself based on the results I receive. Therefore, I thank you.
    While growing, you found better, more reliable ways, structures you used to answer certain questions and solve problems. Religion was not good enough for you, or something made you not to believe it, or stay away from it (perhaps some people you disliked a lot were religious or something like that).

    Does not have much to do with enneagram. I mean, you could find some correlations I guess, but they would be very weak.

    Consider this example. Why does, let's say Joshua, want to become a programmer? Perhaps he wants to belong to that group of programmers, as he likes them and wants to be one of them?
    Similar with religion. If you see cool people in religious environment, you will likely become religious.

  8. #7
    Type 3w4

    Quote Originally Posted by Apple Pine View Post
    While growing, you found better, more reliable ways, structures you used to answer certain questions and solve problems. Religion was not good enough for you, or something made you not to believe it, or stay away from it (perhaps some people you disliked a lot were religious or something like that).

    Does not have much to do with enneagram. I mean, you could find some correlations I guess, but they would be very weak.

    Consider this example. Why does, let's say Joshua, want to become a programmer? Perhaps he wants to belong to that group of programmers, as he likes them and wants to be one of them?
    Similar with religion. If you see cool people in religious environment, you will likely become religious.
    I can agree with you to an extent. However, some people do not join up on the bandwagon just because cool people are doing it, I feel. It never crossed my mind thinking that someone would not join a religion just because a few people they don't like are doing it. I guess it can hold some truth, but I doubt that would be any major reason for the majority of people. Your idea may work for buying certain items, but I feel as if religion is not a product to be bought, but rather, a mindset to have.

    I always thought that people joined a religion for a reason other than fitting in or being like others around them, but everyone must have their own reasons, I guess. I would have thought it to be something more than what you have put it to be, however. I mean, don't people find religion to seek their better selves and achieve salvation, forgiving themselves and others to become the best person they can be?

    At the beginning of your reply, about finding the better structure that works for me, I see the most truth behind that. This is what led me to wonder if religion had anything to do with the Enneagram. Since people are all built differently, I wondered about the structure of life they made for themselves and if it is based on the way they are built a.k.a. the enneagram or MBTI.

  9. #8
    Type 3w2

    Quote Originally Posted by click HERE View Post
    I can agree with you to an extent. However, some people do not join up on the bandwagon just because cool people are doing it, I feel. It never crossed my mind thinking that someone would not join a religion just because a few people they don't like are doing it. I guess it can hold some truth, but I doubt that would be any major reason for the majority of people. Your idea may work for buying certain items, but I feel as if religion is not a product to be bought, but rather, a mindset to have.

    I always thought that people joined a religion for a reason other than fitting in or being like others around them, but everyone must have their own reasons, I guess. I would have thought it to be something more than what you have put it to be, however. I mean, don't people find religion to seek their better selves and achieve salvation, forgiving themselves and others to become the best person they can be?

    At the beginning of your reply, about finding the better structure that works for me, I see the most truth behind that. This is what led me to wonder if religion had anything to do with the Enneagram. Since people are all built differently, I wondered about the structure of life they made for themselves and if it is based on the way they are built a.k.a. the enneagram or MBTI.
    I focused on people who are unlikely to become religious. For example, you and me. Actually, most of the people in the world right now.

    You are right if we look at the general population. People become religious as religion helps them to understand their objectives, how to be good, decent people.

    It was different ages ago, when ideas such as "do that to be a great man" were "trending" in the world. Now, there are people who become religious for reasons you suggested, but I feel like the gap between such people and those who become religious because of "small" reasons as the ones I suggested, is getting smaller.

    I think it would make more sense to find a correlation between MBTI and religion rather than enneagram and religion. Yet, this one would not likely produce any good results either.

    Fi doms -- if spiritual, very strongly, fe doms often on the edge etc.

  10. #9
    Type 3w4

    Quote Originally Posted by Apple Pine View Post
    I focused on people who are unlikely to become religious. For example, you and me. Actually, most of the people in the world right now.

    You are right if we look at the general population. People become religious as religion helps them to understand their objectives, how to be good, decent people.

    It was different ages ago, when ideas such as "do that to be a great man" were "trending" in the world. Now, there are people who become religious for reasons you suggested, but I feel like the gap between such people and those who become religious because of "small" reasons as the ones I suggested, is getting smaller.

    I think it would make more sense to find a correlation between MBTI and religion rather than enneagram and religion. Yet, this one would not likely produce any good results either.

    Fi doms -- if spiritual, very strongly, fe doms often on the edge etc.
    Thanks for your imput. I guess it really depends on more than one factor in life. I was only wondering if it had a large difference or not, but I guess I was getting too caught up in the details.

  11. #10
    Type 3

    Shouldn’t faith be involved in joining a religion? Kind of pointless to join a religious group if you don’t believe in the key points of their beliefs. That’s why there are so many different groups with in each major religion, because at some point some members of one group might have been dissatisfied with how things were structured or even with the interpretations of holy books.

    And in a couple of cases, like the mormons, someone claimed they had received a message from god or had a vision of what god wants humans to do.

    Personally though I’m a non believer. I don’t believe in god, I don’t believe in anything supernatural (angels, demons, ghosts), I don’t believe in heaven or hell. So for me joining a religious group would be difficult because I’d probably find most of their beliefs to be hogwash and it would be a waste of my time. Luckily for me I grew up in a very secular country so being a non believer never posed a problem for me. I didn’t grow up in a religious family where faith or religion was forced upon me. No sending me to Sunday school and such.

    I have gotten the impression that for Some people in some places in the US can experience issues when they don’t want to continue to be members of their religious group b/c of being non believers.


     
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